inherit
401
0
1
Apr 28, 2024 20:02:01 GMT
41,549
DragonKingReborn
20,514
August 2016
dragonkingreborn
http://bsn.boards.net/threads/recent/143
https://i.imgur.com/1myVt9D.jpg
DragonKingReborn
Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
887
590
|
Post by DragonKingReborn on Mar 16, 2018 3:58:57 GMT
We enact The Contingency which involves plane tickets, live broadcasts, a beach, chanting and ritualistic self-immolation. I was with you right up until the end. A beach party that Fred paid for sounds fantastic. |
|
inherit
1065
0
201
xeternalxdreams
270
August 2016
xeternalxdreams
|
Post by xeternalxdreams on Mar 16, 2018 5:06:23 GMT
Yeah so we all know how much EA likes to kill great developers. With everything they have sunk into Anthem if it fails Bioware is in real trouble. Do you think they would let them stay and finish DA4 give it to a new developer or just cancel it outright? I don't see Anthem straight out flopping. It may just not develop a hardcore base. As long as it's made up to par, nice advertising, and core following with streamers and YouTube vids as well.. and consistent DLC and updates, they may stay on course. But for all intents and purposes, let's say it flops.. DA4 will still be made but it may be the last entry. With ME shelved, DA wrapped up, and Anthem barely alive.. Bioware will need something on the horizon, otherwise too many idle hands and no profit in worst case scenario that may lead to closure or being absorbed. Best case scenario, Anthem brings in steady stream of cash, DA4 sells well enough to continue the franchise, and a new IP on the works during the last stretch of DA4. ME will be looked at perhaps? |
|
inherit
4406
0
Apr 21, 2024 17:05:44 GMT
602
duskwanderer
Awesome
1,011
Mar 12, 2017 22:45:38 GMT
March 2017
duskwanderer
|
Post by duskwanderer on Mar 16, 2018 21:31:49 GMT
Hopefully, they give it to someone who doesn't believe in this Sarkessian, SJW identity politics BS. What are you referring to specifically? I think it's fairly straightforward. I don't believe in characters that revolve around their gender or sexuality. Case in point, Dorian. |
|
Kedan
N2
Often Incendiary.
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 52 Likes: 51
inherit
9849
0
51
Kedan
Often Incendiary.
52
Feb 13, 2018 19:12:25 GMT
February 2018
kedan
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Kedan on Mar 16, 2018 21:42:11 GMT
I’m sure they could hand it off to Visceraaaaaay, wait a second...
|
|
inherit
Scribbles
185
0
Apr 28, 2024 21:32:43 GMT
30,246
Hanako Ikezawa
22,355
August 2016
hanakoikezawa
|
Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 16, 2018 21:56:59 GMT
What are you referring to specifically? I think it's fairly straightforward. I don't believe in characters that revolve around their gender or sexuality. Case in point, Dorian. We have yet to have a character that revolves only around their gender or sexuality. |
|
Andraste_Reborn
N4
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 1,462 Likes: 6,319
inherit
469
0
Apr 28, 2024 13:41:17 GMT
6,319
Andraste_Reborn
1,462
August 2016
andrastereborn
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Andraste_Reborn on Mar 16, 2018 22:09:17 GMT
What are you referring to specifically? I think it's fairly straightforward. I don't believe in characters that revolve around their gender or sexuality. Case in point, Dorian. It's okay, Dorian believes in you. |
|
inherit
1407
0
Sept 2, 2016 19:28:30 GMT
4,343
shechinah
Ser Barksalot - Hiatus
2,584
Sept 2, 2016 18:49:21 GMT
September 2016
shechinah
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by shechinah on Mar 16, 2018 22:58:18 GMT
I think it's fairly straightforward. I don't believe in characters that revolve around their gender or sexuality. Case in point, Dorian. We have yet to have a character that revolves only around their gender or sexuality. Yeah, Dorian's personal quest can be seen as being closely connected to his sexuality but there was much more to his character than that. For example, there's his opinion about slavery which is part of what helps separate him from the usual crops of *people from Tevinter we've seen so far in the series. His view is realistic for someone who grew up on the finer side of a culture where slavery is regarded as just another facet of society. It adds more immersion to the setting and actual depth to Tevinter itself. It's why I also liked Krem's account of life there. It's left me with good hope that Bioware can tackle the complexity and nuances of such a civilisation. It's a shame we don't have the options of trying to discuss it further with him but that's something true to more conversations and is sadly not an issue confined solely to Inquisition. Note: Not counting slaves, ex-slaves and commoners. I'm talking about people belonging to the upper tier of Tevinter society. |
|
inherit
3439
0
9,178
alanc9
Old Scientist Contrarian
7,828
February 2017
alanc9
|
Post by alanc9 on Mar 16, 2018 23:11:15 GMT
IF Dorian was a woman fleeing an arranged marriage, would anyone say that the character was only about her gender or sexuality?
|
|
inherit
1663
0
Apr 27, 2024 16:48:44 GMT
2,777
Vall
1,413
Sept 23, 2016 22:09:07 GMT
September 2016
vall
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Vall on Mar 17, 2018 0:29:49 GMT
IF Dorian was a woman fleeing an arranged marriage, would anyone say that the character was only about her gender or sexuality? Doubt it. They wouldn't even say that if he was Dorian but not gay. |
|
inherit
4406
0
Apr 21, 2024 17:05:44 GMT
602
duskwanderer
Awesome
1,011
Mar 12, 2017 22:45:38 GMT
March 2017
duskwanderer
|
Post by duskwanderer on Mar 17, 2018 0:51:26 GMT
I think it's fairly straightforward. I don't believe in characters that revolve around their gender or sexuality. Case in point, Dorian. We have yet to have a character that revolves only around their gender or sexuality. Dorian, actually |
|
inherit
4406
0
Apr 21, 2024 17:05:44 GMT
602
duskwanderer
Awesome
1,011
Mar 12, 2017 22:45:38 GMT
March 2017
duskwanderer
|
Post by duskwanderer on Mar 17, 2018 0:52:09 GMT
IF Dorian was a woman fleeing an arranged marriage, would anyone say that the character was only about her gender or sexuality? They would. They would also call it a cliche. Which it was. |
|
inherit
Scribbles
185
0
Apr 28, 2024 21:32:43 GMT
30,246
Hanako Ikezawa
22,355
August 2016
hanakoikezawa
|
Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 17, 2018 1:15:12 GMT
We have yet to have a character that revolves only around their gender or sexuality. Dorian, actually How did his entire character revolve around him sexuality? |
|
Andraste_Reborn
N4
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 1,462 Likes: 6,319
inherit
469
0
Apr 28, 2024 13:41:17 GMT
6,319
Andraste_Reborn
1,462
August 2016
andrastereborn
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Andraste_Reborn on Mar 17, 2018 1:22:25 GMT
I am also curious to hear about BioWare characters whose whole character revolves around their gender. I certainly cannot think of any.
|
|
bshep
N5
We destroy them or they destroy us.
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Origin: MasterDassJennir
Prime Posts: 1876
Prime Likes: 376
Posts: 4,444 Likes: 7,936
inherit
269
0
7,936
bshep
We destroy them or they destroy us.
4,444
August 2016
bshep
Top
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
MasterDassJennir
1876
376
|
Post by bshep on Mar 17, 2018 1:48:42 GMT
How did his entire character revolve around him sexuality?
I am also curious to hear about BioWare characters whose whole character revolves around their gender. I certainly cannot think of any. Better not. Because this totally smells like bait.  |
|
Andraste_Reborn
N4
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 1,462 Likes: 6,319
inherit
469
0
Apr 28, 2024 13:41:17 GMT
6,319
Andraste_Reborn
1,462
August 2016
andrastereborn
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Andraste_Reborn on Mar 17, 2018 2:07:30 GMT
Better not. Because this totally smells like bait. Awwww, c'mon. It's Saturday afternoon and the next Dragon Age game is years away. Let us talk to the troll! (Besides, I am genuinely curious about which characters he thinks revolve around their gender.) |
|
inherit
4406
0
Apr 21, 2024 17:05:44 GMT
602
duskwanderer
Awesome
1,011
Mar 12, 2017 22:45:38 GMT
March 2017
duskwanderer
|
Post by duskwanderer on Mar 17, 2018 3:25:51 GMT
How did his entire character revolve around him sexuality? His quest. If you play it, you'll see it's about how he's gay and Daddy doesn't approve. |
|
inherit
Scribbles
185
0
Apr 28, 2024 21:32:43 GMT
30,246
Hanako Ikezawa
22,355
August 2016
hanakoikezawa
|
Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 17, 2018 7:32:49 GMT
How did his entire character revolve around him sexuality? His quest. If you play it, you'll see it's about how he's gay and Daddy doesn't approve. Okay. Other than that scene, where else does his character revolve around his sexuality? And the romance scenes don’t count. |
|
inherit
1033
0
Apr 28, 2024 19:17:49 GMT
31,231
colfoley
16,561
Aug 17, 2016 10:19:37 GMT
August 2016
colfoley
|
Post by colfoley on Mar 17, 2018 8:19:24 GMT
The mere fact that you do not find out Dorian's sexuality until well into the game tends to disprove his entire character being centered on his sexuality.
|
|
inherit
✜ Forge Mechanic
352
0
Aug 30, 2023 16:01:17 GMT
6,256
PapaCharlie9
3,851
August 2016
papacharlie9
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age Inquisition, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by PapaCharlie9 on Mar 17, 2018 16:01:14 GMT
Nevermind about the fate of DA, what about the JADE EMPIRE REMAKE!??!?!
|
|
inherit
3271
0
1,496
rras1994
856
February 2017
rras1994
|
Post by rras1994 on Mar 17, 2018 16:40:15 GMT
Am I mistaken or is this the first doomsayer thread in the new forum area?  Have Bioware yet to produce one game that didn't sold well enough? Better to keep your tinfoils in check. To be fair to the doomsayers, there is cause for some concern. EA has a habit of closing studios even when the games they produce are moderately successful, because the company views anything less than a blockbuster success as a failure. As Jim Sterling put it: they're not content with SOME money, they'd rather have ALL the money or nothing at all. And while there's no reason to believe that Anthem will be a failure, there's also nothing to suggest it will succeed either. That said, even if Anthem tanks and BioWare closes ... so what? We move on with our lives. It's not like we're starved for entertainment options in this modern age. EA actually statistically doesn't close more studios down then any other big Publisher, but for some reason people think they just close willy nilly. Look at the last two studios they closede: Montreal and Visceral. Montreal was a studio that had screwed up dev for 3 years and had to use senior devs from other studios to get the game shipped, and they still just merged it in to another studio. Visceral last 3 games released had been failures, the game it was working on wasn't working out and stuck in dev hell, the most expensive studio EA owned, and was having a lot of senior devs already leaving. And only then did EA close it. EA really doesn't close studios that easily, specially not recently. |
|
inherit
813
0
Jun 26, 2019 23:40:38 GMT
5,054
thats1evildude
2,478
August 2016
thats1evildude
Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition
|
Post by thats1evildude on Mar 17, 2018 17:41:26 GMT
Visceral last 3 games released had been failures, the game it was working on wasn't working out and stuck in dev hell, the most expensive studio EA owned, and was having a lot of senior devs already leaving. And only then did EA close it. EA really doesn't close studios that easily, specially not recently. You haven't researched the subject. Visceral's death was largely the result of EA's meddling in the Dead Space franchise. www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-02-23-the-dead-space-3-the-developers-wanted-to-make |
|
inherit
3271
0
1,496
rras1994
856
February 2017
rras1994
|
Post by rras1994 on Mar 17, 2018 17:48:10 GMT
Visceral last 3 games released had been failures, the game it was working on wasn't working out and stuck in dev hell, the most expensive studio EA owned, and was having a lot of senior devs already leaving. And only then did EA close it. EA really doesn't close studios that easily, specially not recently. You haven't researched the subject. Visceral's flagship franchise, Dead Space, was largely a "failure" only because of EA's meddling. Dead Space 2 and Dead Spce 3 were both financial failures, even though Dead Space 2 was critically acclaimed and sold 4 million copies. I don't think Hardline did that well either. That's not all on EA. The Star Wars games development also was not working. They also kept losing important staff. That studio had a lot of problems you actually can't blame on EA. And again, EA doesn't shut down studios anymore than anyone else. They also let Visceral continue for a long time when they were struggling, and give them many chances including employing big shot dev Amy Hennig to run them. It didn't work out unfortunately but I'm not sure you can argue that EA was hasty in closing Visceral at all? |
|
inherit
813
0
Jun 26, 2019 23:40:38 GMT
5,054
thats1evildude
2,478
August 2016
thats1evildude
Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition
|
Post by thats1evildude on Mar 17, 2018 17:50:23 GMT
It's sad that you regard selling four million copies as a failure.
|
|
inherit
3271
0
1,496
rras1994
856
February 2017
rras1994
|
Post by rras1994 on Mar 17, 2018 17:51:52 GMT
It's sad that you regard selling four million copies as a failure. A financial failure, they didn't make their money back - Visceral was one of their most expensive studios, don't forget. |
|
inherit
1033
0
Apr 28, 2024 19:17:49 GMT
31,231
colfoley
16,561
Aug 17, 2016 10:19:37 GMT
August 2016
colfoley
|
Post by colfoley on Mar 17, 2018 18:21:57 GMT
Heh its so rare to see anyone going out and actually actively defending EA I am not sure what to believe. I just do not tend to study the studio trends of many other companies outside of BioWare but the story of Visceral does seem to match the story of BioWare right now, hopefully to a different ending though.
|
|
