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Post by dmc1001 on Oct 7, 2016 17:39:08 GMT
I would rather he be on the flip side - a guy who believed in the Cerberus ideals who has come to see them for what they are. He'd be a soldier wannabe rather than an ex-soldier. Well, that's Miranda basically. Miranda doesn't really change her tune until the leaves. I mean, Jacob would have already been questioning things prior to the beginning of ME2. We'd first meet him as someone who was already beginning to doubt TIM. That's not Miranda at all. Honestly, I'm not sure what swayed Miranda. No major "OMG! I know Cerberus is evil after THIS THING happened! Jack was right all along!" It's just that Shepard decided to return to the Alliance and Miranda let him. Was TIM so pissed he was just now against Miranda. I don't really know. Miranda softened toward Shepard but she was never anti-Cerberus in ME2.
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Post by straykat on Oct 7, 2016 17:44:16 GMT
Don't side with this guy. He wants to take out Jack. The point of the crew is they, for the most part, are Exemplars. They're supposed to be the biggest badasses in the galaxy. Okeer is not an exemplar. He only created the Pure Krogan. Same with Jack - she's the most powerful human biotic, Kasumi Master Thief, Thane Assassin, Legion unique geth platform, Miranda genetically superior human, etc.. Even Zaeed has a rep of being an exemplar bounty hunter. Where it gets iffy is Garrus/Tali/Jacob
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Post by CrutchCricket on Oct 7, 2016 18:11:42 GMT
Like I said, from a story perspective, all of them are necessary. I'm not talking about gameplay mechanics. And from my Shepard's perspsective, wasting more time can possibly lead to more colonists being taken. If my Shepard is comfortable about the one's she has, then why would more be needed? And if he's wrong, they fail and everyone gets taken. This isn't a "my perspective, your perspective thing." Get all the right tools for the job that you can. Where your sort of thinking comes into play is in resolving their various daddy issues. You could argue that we don't have time to rescue some civilian or play lawyer or take a teenager to their version of a strip club. If we really want to go down 'realism' part, none of the non-Cerberus squadmates are needed; The combat related squadmates could all reletively easily be subsituted for 20-30 men Cerberus Commando squad, you know, those guys that took over Omega a few months later. Meanwhile the scientists, Okeer and Mordin, could be replaced by those awesome cerberus scientists that managed to master Reaper Technology to create an army, among others. Even if those squadmates are possibly not as skilled as the original team, the risks of recruiting an extravagant gang of rogues should vastly outweigh the benefits they could possibly have. Yeah, no. You have neither the foothold in the CB that Cerberus did in Omega, the knowledge of how to play its players that Cerberus had in Omega or the fleet + competent admiral that tied it all together. And if you do, there's no point in bothering with Shepard either. If TIM had Petrovski and a fleet waiting in the wings at that time, he should've spent the billions he did on Petrovski getting a few more warships, weapons and men. Given his initial assumption that the Collectors had a homeworld, this would've been the more reasonable (yet still suicidal) approach. And apart from Jack, Grunt and Legion, there are no risks to anyone you recruit (though the latter are accidents so that skews the thinking somewhat). Kasumi, Thane, Zaeed are simply bought, Mordin and Okeer are probably also paid but also enticed by other favors or information to be made available. Samara is at best a risk to the person approaching her. That leaves Garrus and Tali, neither of which are much threat and are secured through Shepard.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 7, 2016 18:22:52 GMT
And if he's wrong, they fail and everyone gets taken. He? I believe I said she in my post. If? Won't know till that time. I have the right tools with the ones I have. Why would I need more than what I got?
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Post by dmc1001 on Oct 7, 2016 19:03:27 GMT
And apart from Jack, Grunt and Legion, there are no risks to anyone you recruit (though the latter are accidents so that skews the thinking somewhat). Kasumi, Thane, Zaeed are simply bought, Mordin and Okeer are probably also paid but also enticed by other favors or information to be made available. Samara is at best a risk to the person approaching her. That leaves Garrus and Tali, neither of which are much threat and are secured through Shepard. Thane isn't bought. It's explicitly stated that he is doing this for free.
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Post by Sondergaard on Oct 7, 2016 21:39:36 GMT
Jacob- He's too much of a blank slate. No real personality. Give his role to Zaeed. Having him as a grizzled veteran taking an easy job for the cash and ending up as hero would have been great. He deserved some proper dialogue.
Thane- Member of a dying race, got his wife killed, abandoned his son and contracted a fatal disease. Too much.
Grunt- Dull.
And Morinth if I need a 4th. I love the idea of Morinth but her character is so underdeveloped that I'd rather not have the option of recruiting her at all. She's so disappointing when you get her on the Normandy. And she should have replaced Samara at the Monastery in ME3.
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Post by straykat on Oct 7, 2016 21:45:37 GMT
Jacob- He's too much of a blank slate. No real personality. Give his role to Zaeed. Having him as a grizzled veteran taking an easy job for the cash and ending up as hero would have been great. He deserved some proper dialogue. Thane- Member of a dying race, got his wife killed, abandoned his son and contracted a fatal disease. Too much. Grunt- Dull. And Morinth if I need a 4th. I love the idea of Morinth but her character is so underdeveloped that I'd rather not have the option of recruiting her at all. She's so disappointing when you get her on the Normandy. And she should have replaced Samara at the Monastery in ME3. They apparently planned her to be there. Among many other things cut. :\ I kind of like Zaeed's dialogue though, as it is. If you just click him once after every main mission, it seems like his comments coincide with certain things you're experiencing. Like he'll mention getting sold out by an Asari, right around the time after Horizon..when you're probably close to seeing Liara. Or he'll mention how to cut a Krogan's head plate, around the time you get Grunt.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Oct 8, 2016 2:32:55 GMT
Thane isn't bought. It's explicitly stated that he is doing this for free. My mistake. You're right. But you do go in there intending to hire him. Doing it pro bono is his decision.
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Post by Lavochkin on Oct 8, 2016 16:46:23 GMT
Jacob- He's too much of a blank slate. No real personality. Give his role to Zaeed. Having him as a grizzled veteran taking an easy job for the cash and ending up as hero would have been great. He deserved some proper dialogue. Thane- Member of a dying race, got his wife killed, abandoned his son and contracted a fatal disease. Too much. Grunt- Dull. And Morinth if I need a 4th. I love the idea of Morinth but her character is so underdeveloped that I'd rather not have the option of recruiting her at all. She's so disappointing when you get her on the Normand y. And she should have replaced Samara at the Monastery in ME3.She was originally intended to be there according to the ME3 leaked script, quite a shame that she wasn't. I didn't even notice that one banshee on Earth was supposed to be her in my first due to how i quickly nuked it.
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Post by joy on Oct 8, 2016 16:49:32 GMT
Based on how I liked the characters, what they brought to the story and how interesting their loyal and recrutment mission were the one i would cut will be:
Grunt: he didn't brought anything interesting about krogan, and he's the typical krogan, he doesn't think too much, only attack everything. His loyal mission was boring. He doesn't even have an opinion on the genophage, what's the point of having him? I'm still mad that Okeer died and we were stuck with him.
Garrus: He didn't brought anything on this game except being a romance imo, and his loyalty mission was boring.
Zaeed: The code to have him on my game was expired when I bought the it so I never had a chance to play with him, that's why I have no issue with cutting him.
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Post by straykat on Oct 8, 2016 18:52:23 GMT
Based on how I liked the characters, what they brought to the story and how interesting their loyal and recrutment mission were the one i would cut will be: Grunt: he didn't brought anything interesting about krogan, and he's the typical krogan, he doesn't think too much, only attack everything. His loyal mission was boring. He doesn't even have an opinion on the genophage, what's the point of having him? I'm still mad that Okeer died and we were stuck with him. Garrus: He didn't brought anything on this game except being a romance imo, and his loyalty mission was boring. Zaeed: The code to have him on my game was expired when I bought the it so I never had a chance to play with him, that's why I have no issue with cutting him. That's too bad... not necessarily because of Zaeed. There's a couple of useful free things with the Cerberus network. I thought it was free though... or easy to get a new code.
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Post by Natashina on Oct 8, 2016 19:33:23 GMT
Ouch, poor Jacob. Wow. I think his story is dull as hell, but 1st place? Well, that gives me an idea on how the posters here feel about him. I mean, he's not my favorite character, but I didn't think he was that bad. He at least adds a bit to the story. He left the Alliance because he was disgusted that Shep's actions were being torn apart. Plus, I found him useful in combat, even if he was a goodie-two-shoes and more than a bit naive.
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Post by joy on Oct 8, 2016 21:24:48 GMT
That's too bad... not necessarily because of Zaeed. There's a couple of useful free things with the Cerberus network. I thought it was free though... or easy to get a new code. The code was only available before 1st january 2012 , I bought it after that date. :/
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Post by melbella on Oct 8, 2016 21:35:54 GMT
That's too bad... not necessarily because of Zaeed. There's a couple of useful free things with the Cerberus network. I thought it was free though... or easy to get a new code. The code was only available before 1st january 2012 , I bought it after that date. :/
I have Cerberus Network/Zaeed/whatever else is included and I didn't buy ME2 until Feb. 2012. I also didn't install them right away because I played my first game (maybe more) with no DLC at all. Maybe try the old, old BSN where all the DLC files are stored? They might be assigned to your account there. If so, you can download them from there. They should also be available through Origin if you are on PC.
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Post by joy on Oct 8, 2016 22:09:15 GMT
The code was only available before 1st january 2012 , I bought it after that date. :/
I have Cerberus Network/Zaeed/whatever else is included and I didn't buy ME2 until Feb. 2012. I also didn't install them right away because I played my first game (maybe more) with no DLC at all. Maybe try the old, old BSN where all the DLC files are stored? They might be assigned to your account there. If so, you can download them from there. They should also be available through Origin if you are on PC.
Unfortunately I don't have the game on pc, I have the game on the ps3.
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Post by Lavochkin on Oct 9, 2016 0:03:33 GMT
One of the three squadmates I voted for was Thane, who literally serves no purpose either in the story(like Mordin does with the seeker swarm countermeasure) or in the SM(not even a high rating in the 'hold the line" bit ala Grunt).
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Post by Beregond5 on Oct 9, 2016 8:43:14 GMT
Ouch, poor Jacob. Wow. I think his story is dull as hell, but 1st place? Well, that gives me an idea on how the posters here feel about him. I mean, he's not my favorite character, but I didn't think he was that bad. He at least adds a bit to the story. He left the Alliance because he was disgusted that Shep's actions were being torn apart. Plus, I found him useful in combat, even if he was a goodie-two-shoes and more than a bit naive. He's okay in my book, too. But, if I really had to cut 3 of them, Jacob would really be the first to go. I feel that there are already enough squadmembers that can do what he does just as well, if not better, and his loyalty quest wasn't integral to the story - I don't feel I'd miss it if it weren't there. The other two would be Zaeed (as much as I like his loyalty quest, he's hardly anywhere else) and.... Kasumi. Because I don't have her anyway.
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Post by Liadan on Oct 9, 2016 15:25:57 GMT
I voted Jack, Zaeed and Jacob.
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Post by dmc1001 on Oct 9, 2016 16:58:46 GMT
One of the three squadmates I voted for was Thane, who literally serves no purpose either in the story(like Mordin does with the seeker swarm countermeasure) or in the SM(not even a high rating in the 'hold the line" bit ala Grunt). Doesn't the salarian councilor die if Thane isn't there? For RP reasons of wanting to save the councilors, I'd keep Thane.
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Post by melbella on Oct 9, 2016 17:00:56 GMT
One of the three squadmates I voted for was Thane, who literally serves no purpose either in the story(like Mordin does with the seeker swarm countermeasure) or in the SM(not even a high rating in the 'hold the line" bit ala Grunt). Doesn't the salarian councilor die if Thane isn't there? For RP reasons of wanting to save the councilors, I'd keep Thane.
Kirrahe is the back up for that, so if either Thane or Kirrahe are alive in ME3, the councilor will be saved. Default state is both are dead so the councilor dies.
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Post by dmc1001 on Oct 9, 2016 17:04:18 GMT
Right, forgot. Playing an ME3 Shep who was entirely renegade (used Genesis 2 and gibbed to make that the case) until his 6 months with time to think on his past actions. So no Kirrahe. Thanks for the reminder. So, yeah, Kirrahe would work well. I really like his brief scenes on Sur'Kesh.
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Post by Lavochkin on Oct 9, 2016 17:26:40 GMT
One of the three squadmates I voted for was Thane, who literally serves no purpose either in the story(like Mordin does with the seeker swarm countermeasure) or in the SM(not even a high rating in the 'hold the line" bit ala Grunt). Doesn't the salarian councilor die if Thane isn't there? For RP reasons of wanting to save the councilors, I'd keep Thane. That he does, but i was speaking purely in terms of ME2. You'd think that one would hire an assassin in order for him to.... assassinate someone, but that doesn't happen in 2. >_< Edit: Didn't know about Kirrahe saving the councilor if Thane isn't around, interesting...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2016 18:05:30 GMT
Ouch, poor Jacob. Wow. I think his story is dull as hell, but 1st place? Well, that gives me an idea on how the posters here feel about him. I mean, he's not my favorite character, but I didn't think he was that bad. He at least adds a bit to the story. He left the Alliance because he was disgusted that Shep's actions were being torn apart. Plus, I found him useful in combat, even if he was a goodie-two-shoes and more than a bit naive. I'm glad someone likes him. He's my number one choice to get the axe. Who would you pick instead?
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Post by Daft Arbiter on Oct 13, 2016 4:19:02 GMT
Zaeed - We already have a lot of people who specialize in guns. Just feels kind of redundant.
Kasumi - Because the reason she's hired is because she's a Thief. Of all the people to hire, a Thief! While flying around on a ship and getting into firefights. I liked her character, I just didn't see the point of the class given the context.
Jacob - Everyone else was better. If I had to cut one character, he'd be the one.
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