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Post by Ascend on Jul 7, 2018 0:11:52 GMT
Jacob's an easy choice. The man lacks personality. The other one I can think of is Garrus. I like the guy and his recruitment mission's pretty good, but I'm not sure he contributes that much of interest once he's been recruited (aside from the possible romance, I guess). I guess we'd need a new love interest for Femshep if we cut those two, but surely Thane makes up for it with his general awesomeness. I wouldn't cut Zaeed or Kasumi - I'd give them proper recruitment missions and conversations with Shepard on the Normandy. As an Adept player, Garrus was great due to his Overload. I constantly used him.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Jul 7, 2018 9:02:09 GMT
Jacob's an easy choice. The man lacks personality. The other one I can think of is Garrus. I like the guy and his recruitment mission's pretty good, but I'm not sure he contributes that much of interest once he's been recruited (aside from the possible romance, I guess). I guess we'd need a new love interest for Femshep if we cut those two, but surely Thane makes up for it with his general awesomeness. I wouldn't cut Zaeed or Kasumi - I'd give them proper recruitment missions and conversations with Shepard on the Normandy. As an Adept player, Garrus was great due to his Overload. I constantly used him. Me too - I'm just thinking from a story point of view!
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Post by XJlock on Jul 11, 2018 19:13:33 GMT
I like Kasumi because her loyalty mission was good and she's a fun character. Is she as fleshed out as others? No. But she definitely beats Zaeed. I will never understand how someone can not like Thane... His story is great. And by the way, why do we need anyone? Kasumi is useful as a technician in the suicide mission, for one. Eh, I didn't like her all that much in 2. Her cowardice in 3 is what really soured me on her though. And yes, she beat Zaeed, which is tragic because I liked him. I might have exaggerated my last line, I liked Thanes back story, but again, I don't get why we needed an assassin for a full frontal assault. Can she do the vent section in the SM? I never tried. If she can, I'll concede that she has a place, if a minor one. She can indeed do the ventilation shaft during the Suicide Mission.
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Post by jros83 on Jul 13, 2018 4:51:01 GMT
I can understand Jacob being in first place; he's bland and a little bit cliche'. But what's with the Zaeed hate lol?! He's not really an awful person. He's an upper middle aged merc who's seen everything, was backstabbed metaphorically and shot in the face literally... and LIVED. Of course he's going to be jaded. His only major character flaw is being obsessed with his revenge, which you can pull him out of and still get his loyalty. I personally appreciate how he's silent most times (side effect of being a DLC character though, I know) and when he does have comments they are terse and frank and honest. It's refreshing because he's exactly how I'd expect someone like him to be if they were real.
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Post by Vortex13 on Jul 15, 2018 22:33:37 GMT
I can understand Jacob being in first place; he's bland and a little bit cliche'. But what's with the Zaeed hate lol?! He's not really an awful person. He's an upper middle aged merc who's seen everything, was backstabbed metaphorically and shot in the face literally... and LIVED. Of course he's going to be jaded. His only major character flaw is being obsessed with his revenge, which you can pull him out of and still get his loyalty. I personally appreciate how he's silent most times (side effect of being a DLC character though, I know) and when he does have comments they are terse and frank and honest. It's refreshing because he's exactly how I'd expect someone like him to be if they were real. I still think Zaeed would have been 100 times more compelling if he was a Batarian. Having another human, who was the best in his particular field out of the entire galaxy, was eye rolling for me honestly.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 16, 2018 6:48:52 GMT
I can understand Jacob being in first place; he's bland and a little bit cliche'. But what's with the Zaeed hate lol?! He's not really an awful person. He's an upper middle aged merc who's seen everything, was backstabbed metaphorically and shot in the face literally... and LIVED. Of course he's going to be jaded. His only major character flaw is being obsessed with his revenge, which you can pull him out of and still get his loyalty. I personally appreciate how he's silent most times (side effect of being a DLC character though, I know) and when he does have comments they are terse and frank and honest. It's refreshing because he's exactly how I'd expect someone like him to be if they were real. He's kind of an asshole. Still, I didn't pick him. I did pick Tali and Garrus, but not because I dislike them. I actually like them a lot. just thought it would have worked better to truly isolate Shepard and avoid any old friends on board. I would have better fleshed out Zaeed and Kasumi since they're actually more or less the same as Garrus and Tali, at least in terms of combat.
My other pick was Thane. I like him a lot, and his role in ME3 is outstanding. That said, I'm not sure how he fits into this team. If we're looking for cuts, I'd drop him.
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Post by Ascend on Jul 16, 2018 15:15:32 GMT
I can understand Jacob being in first place; he's bland and a little bit cliche'. But what's with the Zaeed hate lol?! He's not really an awful person. He's an upper middle aged merc who's seen everything, was backstabbed metaphorically and shot in the face literally... and LIVED. Of course he's going to be jaded. His only major character flaw is being obsessed with his revenge, which you can pull him out of and still get his loyalty. I personally appreciate how he's silent most times (side effect of being a DLC character though, I know) and when he does have comments they are terse and frank and honest. It's refreshing because he's exactly how I'd expect someone like him to be if they were real. He's kind of an asshole. Still, I didn't pick him. I did pick Tali and Garrus, but not because I dislike them. I actually like them a lot. just thought it would have worked better to truly isolate Shepard and avoid any old friends on board. I would have better fleshed out Zaeed and Kasumi since they're actually more or less the same as Garrus and Tali, at least in terms of combat.
My other pick was Thane. I like him a lot, and his role in ME3 is outstanding. That said, I'm not sure how he fits into this team. If we're looking for cuts, I'd drop him.
Interesting perspective. Cutting out old friends to help Shepard keep a clear head is a sound strategy. It all goes out the window if he/she romances any of the new crew though. Because any worry he might lose to protect his friends will be present to protect his romance. As for Thane, yeah he's a loner more than a team player. But since the suicide mission basically entails something we do not know, someone that can handle themselves against multiple enemies is not a liability. If we're talking functionality, Jack would actually be an easy one to cut out, considering she's unstable and all that. If we talk strictly function, the squad mates that are REALLY necessary for either the suicide mission or the plot progression in general are quite clear, and well, I think you picked two of them that are actually more important than you think. Mordin is extremely valuable, obviously. No explanation required. Garrus is too, I mean, how could we survive without his calibrations? Jokes aside, remember that you can't upgrade the Normandy's cannons if it weren't for Garrus. Tali is what gives the Normandy the upgraded shields. Samara offers more fuel for the Normandy in the mini-game, and even though this is a nice to have, she is required for the biotic part of the suicide mission. As for Jack, see the final list below. Those above are the essential crew members. A few crew members only offer 'minor' contributions that would fall in the nice to have category; Thane offers more carrying capacity for probes. Miranda offers faster scanning. And although she is the one that brought you back, she doesn't need to be a squad mate afterwards, since her main contribution is already done. Jacob, even though he allows the Normandy to have upgraded armor, which would fall in the above category of being extremely valuable, all that it ultimately offers is saving Jack's life, the most unstable character in the whole team. And then there are those that offer nothing, or offer something that another character above already offers. Kasumi Grunt Jack Legion Zaeed
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Post by themikefest on Jul 16, 2018 17:44:04 GMT
If you take away the characters that provide the upgrades for the Normandy, only 5 squadmates are needed for all to survive the suicide mission.
Tali/Kasumi/Legion for the vent Samara/Jack for the barrier Garrus/Miranda/Jacob for fireteam leader
I would have Grunt/Zaeed/Garrus for holding the line since they are the strongest. The 5th can be used to escort the crew.
With Mordin, I would recruit him, but have him remain on the ship as a crewmate and not as a squadmate
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Post by isaidlunch on Jul 23, 2018 1:02:07 GMT
Jacob and Thane are easy picks, and as much as I hate to say it, Kasumi would probably go as well. She's my favorite character in the series, but it's hard to justify a third human female who has no real reason for being in the squad and little significance to the story.
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Post by Phantom on Jul 23, 2018 2:14:12 GMT
Jack due to she is known for her hatred of Cerberus, and putting her on a Cerberus Ship is asking for trouble. True she is a powerful biotic but she is not the sanest person to her childhood.
as Much as I like Tali and having good relationships with her species is a good thing, I do think she would be better served within Quarian Fleet and be bit of a quest giver. I would like an expanded Roles for Ken and Gabby for Engineering to replacing Tali as for Engineering content.
Garrus, he is alright but i feel like his content replaced much of Zaed and fanservice
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 23, 2018 2:50:05 GMT
Jack due to she is known for her hatred of Cerberus, and putting her on a Cerberus Ship is asking for trouble. True she is a powerful biotic but she is not the sanest person to her childhood. Point is valid but I suspect TIM thought it would be a true suicide mission and that none of them would return from the Omega-4 relay.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 23, 2018 12:09:05 GMT
Its too bad there wasn't an option to remove Jack from the squad for instigating a confrontation with Lawson.
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Post by n7double07 on Oct 29, 2023 8:03:44 GMT
Story-wise, Zaeed - Ex Dee Jacob - Stale, and didn't add meaningful context to the universe Grunt/Thane - I don't care for Grunt and Thane's quests that much. To their credit, as characters they did add new lore to the universe. Garrus' plotline was just a milquetoast revenge story, technically worse than theirs, but I'd prefer he be in the game over them. Gameplay-wise, Grunt - Boring skillset. Squad Incendiary seems as if it would be better taken from Jacob for the most part.
Samara (as long as Reave remained a bonus power) - Pull and Throw on one squadmate is odd; and Pull is locked behind Throw, so she's largely confined to either being a Pull-bot that uses Throw Field for Husk missions -- which is bland -- or a defense-stripping bot with Reave that uses Throw Field occasionally. In the latter case, I'd rather use Thane, since Warp can also detonate combos. You could have her use Pull and Reave in a non-minmax build, I suppose, but she would only seem versatile on missions with a lot of armored foes, and more often than not, defense-stripping and cc tasks are divided between squadmates.
Jack - a worse version of Samara
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Post by Sandetiger on Oct 30, 2023 4:26:54 GMT
Jacob, Kasumi, and Garrus. Jacob is racist and unpleasant to be around as femshep, Kasumi is creepy af, and Garrus is fucking horrible person lmao
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Post by trinity0 on Oct 30, 2023 15:55:44 GMT
Garrus, Zaeed and Legion
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Post by Noxluxe on Nov 19, 2023 0:04:14 GMT
Jacob, Kasumi and Samara. Jacob is presented as a self-righteous straight man bro character, which is kind of boring already, and then you can never call him out for being completely morally confused and without actual principles. Kasumi never fit the military theme of the games to me, and Samara's Justicar stick doesn't feel like something that actually belongs in Asari culture.
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Post by Lavochkin on Nov 20, 2023 3:42:23 GMT
Jack, Thane(doesn't even a role in the SM) and Jacob(although he's unintentionally funny).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2024 17:29:46 GMT
No one, I love ME2's squad the exact way it is
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