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Post by CrutchCricket on Oct 26, 2016 3:35:27 GMT
Miranda's primarily goal in her life was to escape and to confront her domineering father to save herself and her sister. She is an independent woman herself and she never was dependent on Cerberus like Jacob does and it will always take a secondary place in her personal narrative. But it doesn't change the fact that her entire narrative in ME2 and ME3 was to be emotionally vulnerable and inadequate so she could dependent on you as a player to resolve her problems in exchange for good favors and sex which happened to be the most common denominator especially with majority of romanceable characters in this game. And it so happen, I find her creation and her father's experimentation to be the most fascinating aspect of her. It explained her preoccupation with being the perfect woman and her desire to see her sister to have a normal life and family because those are the things she couldn't have and it does explain all the comments about her extensive alteration. You know, no matter how many times you repeat the underlined they still won't be true, right? I don't see how you can claim that you "analyze characters in depth" and stuff like this in the same breath. For example, to the third underline: Shepard: Sounds like you were designed to be perfect. Miranda: Maybe. But I'm not. I'm still human, I make mistakes like everybody else. Above: "Preoccupation with being the perfect woman"...? I often interpret characters in depth whenever I play each playthrough and I like to explore as much as I can find about them and review these character as a person themselves. Kaidan is just a character who happened to be consistently well-written throughout the game and complex enough for me to still figuring him out as I play the game. I like to write about him because of his writing, his acting, his portrayal inspired me to do so and he's actually my third favourite character in the trilogy under FemShep and Wrex. I can't say he have daddy issues because he have none. He love his parents. His father was killed in action and he hated that he wasn't there on Earth for his mother. I can't say that I have to be told that he is made to be perfect and that he would use his sexuality and masculinity to get whatever he wanted. I could decide it for myself that he is sexy and handsome without the camera forcing me to view him sexually. All of his achievements was just him by being good at being a soldier and not because how he was genetically modified to be perfect at everything. And I CAN say that the Alliance matters to him because he didn't drop everything to join Shepard and he even accused her of betraying everything they believe in. I don't see Miranda accusing Shepard for betraying Cerberus or whine about ruining her entire career. Cerberus does not define her as a person which does for Jacob. You are free to write about whatever that you like. But its not my job to make myself gush about the character you like nor was to hate the character you hate. So having daddy issues and being genetically designed is license to disregard character development and "brush them off with ridiculous one liners"? Do you see how you're doing the very thing you call out in other people? It's not your job to gush about characters you may not be interested in, but if you wish to engage in serious discussion about them, it is your job to at least get the facts right.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 26, 2016 11:01:48 GMT
Jacob. - Obviously. But mostly so I don't have to hear femShep sex him up first chance she gets... as a person he's fine actually. Not particularly interesting but overall likable at least. And I liked his loyality mission. In ME3 however, he's being the biggest jerk ever when romanced, further tainting his awful interactions with femShep. (Biggest crime of the entire trilogy to me that romance and Hale's delivery, worse than the ending. There, I said it.)
Grunt - OK, this is an unpopular opinion but... I don't like the krogan. At all. Wrex is ok, sort of, but everyone else I don't care about. Grunt has no real personality. In the Citadel DLC he's adorable, I admit, but in ME2 he's so dull he's actually worse than Jacob in a way.
Zaeed I strongly dislike his personality. Gave Shep shit for saving civilians from burning to death. WTF. Almost left him to die at the end of his mission - on my pure paragon playthrough. I do find his stories funny and love his voice. And Garrus and him at the DLC party was the best part. But I wouldn't miss him.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 22, 2018 1:21:12 GMT
Yes, I'm resurrecting this thread from it's 1-1/2 year old grave. My original votes were to get rid of Jacob, Zaeed and Legion. However, over time, my opinions have changed. I'd actually ditch Tali, Garrus and Thane. So, let me start by saying that I like all three characters, certainly more than I like Zaeed. Thing is, Tali and Garrus are repetitive. If you can't have Liara, Wrex and A/K from the original trilogy, why have those two? No, leave Shepard completely alienated. Kasumi and Zaeed fill the same role type so I'd just ditch them and have Kasumi and Zaeed as fully fleshed out characters. Finally, Thane because he's dying. Also, not sure what specific skill set he brings to the table.
Mordin is essential to the plot, so he needs to be there. Grunt fills the krogan role. Miranda and Jacob make sense because Miranda is "loyal" to TIM and Jacob fills the role of Cerberus operative who can relate to Shepard because he used to be in the Alliance. He's like a bro and might help Shepard feel more comfortable. Jack, because I like the "psychotic biotic" angle. She's not friendly but you could see her easily going on a suicide run. (Perhaps true of Thane, too, since he's dying.) Legion feels important because he fills in some gaps with the geth and makes us understand them more.
My change in votes has made little impact on the overall ratings but it does show how I've changed my perceptions over time.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 22, 2018 1:32:24 GMT
Mordin is essential to the plot, so he needs to be there. He may be essential to the plot, but he doesn't need to be a squadmate. As I said on the first page, I would have him stay on the ship as part of the crew and not be a squadmate.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Mar 22, 2018 1:40:17 GMT
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 22, 2018 2:49:19 GMT
Mordin is essential to the plot, so he needs to be there. He may be essential to the plot, but he doesn't need to be a squadmate. As I said on the first page, I would have him stay on the ship as part of the crew and not be a squadmate. True. Mordin just told me that if I didn't like him I didn't have to bring him along on missions. I suppose, in a way, it could be safer to leave him on the Normandy. That would leave more room for Thane.
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Post by obbie1984 on Mar 27, 2018 5:56:21 GMT
Yes, I'm resurrecting this thread from it's 1-1/2 year old grave. My original votes were to get rid of Jacob, Zaeed and Legion. However, over time, my opinions have changed. I'd actually ditch Tali, Garrus and Thane. So, let me start by saying that I like all three characters, certainly more than I like Zaeed. Thing is, Tali and Garrus are repetitive. If you can't have Liara, Wrex and A/K from the original trilogy, why have those two? No, leave Shepard completely alienated. Kasumi and Zaeed fill the same role type so I'd just ditch them and have Kasumi and Zaeed as fully fleshed out characters. Finally, Thane because he's dying. Also, not sure what specific skill set he brings to the table. Mordin is essential to the plot, so he needs to be there. Grunt fills the krogan role. Miranda and Jacob make sense because Miranda is "loyal" to TIM and Jacob fills the role of Cerberus operative who can relate to Shepard because he used to be in the Alliance. He's like a bro and might help Shepard feel more comfortable. Jack, because I like the "psychotic biotic" angle. She's not friendly but you could see her easily going on a suicide run. (Perhaps true of Thane, too, since he's dying.) Legion feels important because he fills in some gaps with the geth and makes us understand them more. My change in votes has made little impact on the overall ratings but it does show how I've changed my perceptions over time. I'm glad you did revive this because I would have never noticed it. But I agree with you. I like the idea of having Zaeed and especially Kasumi have more development. I don't mind Garrus and Tali there as it fills the role of TIM bringing in people Shepard trusted to keep him in the dark. But I do keep Mordin on the ship mostly. To me. I would have gotten rid of: Grunt (don't really care for him) Samara (she's a murdering hypocrite and if you are a renegade but not a psycho she still treats you like a bad person and claims she will come after you. Which makes no sense to me) Jack (only because she is not as powerful of a biotic as the game tells us she is. She has rudimentary biotic powers, dies easily, and she uses a shotgun despite being squishy). I don't mind Jack, but I just hate the way the game portray her and how some of her dialogue can be really cringey. But if not her, I'd say Mordin as just your research scientist. I think everyone else is fine.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 27, 2018 14:56:09 GMT
Samara (she's a murdering hypocrite and if you are a renegade but not a psycho she still treats you like a bad person and claims she will come after you. Which makes no sense to me) Jack (only because she is not as powerful of a biotic as the game tells us she is. She has rudimentary biotic powers, dies easily, and she uses a shotgun despite being squishy). Who would you have maintain the barrier during the suicide mission, since both are the only one's who can without having a death?
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Post by obbie1984 on Mar 27, 2018 22:08:37 GMT
Samara (she's a murdering hypocrite and if you are a renegade but not a psycho she still treats you like a bad person and claims she will come after you. Which makes no sense to me) Jack (only because she is not as powerful of a biotic as the game tells us she is. She has rudimentary biotic powers, dies easily, and she uses a shotgun despite being squishy). Who would you have maintain the barrier during the suicide mission, since both are the only one's who can without having a death? I don't really care because I almost always let someone die at this part. I think I have Miranda always maintain the barrier because she claims she can do it too. But if I had to choose, then Jack. I like her more than Samara.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 28, 2018 8:19:04 GMT
Grunt, Kasumi and Tali.
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Post by fylimar on Mar 29, 2018 11:01:55 GMT
Miranda, Jacob and Thane. I don't use them and I don't enjoy interacting with any of them.
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Post by burningcherry on Jun 27, 2018 18:24:39 GMT
-- Miranda: that lore contradiction with her biotics makes me ignore her anyway. I'm disappointed no one has created a suitable mod until now btw. -- Legion: the geth having such weak sides as he reveals is hard to believe -- Zaeed: I still have to choose another person so I choose the one with the least unique expertise
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Post by Vortex13 on Jun 27, 2018 20:31:33 GMT
Jacob - Honestly the most boring out of all the characters, as well as the one that offered the least amount of utility for the crew. He's not a leader like Miranda or Garus, not a tech expert like Tali or Legion, not a Soldier like Grunt or Zaeed, nor is he any sort of medical expert like Mordin. At most he should have been a side character, a ship bound NPC that the player could talk to in-between missions.
Jack - We already had a biotic expert in the form of Samara/Morinth, heck even Miranda could pull off the required maneuver if the player didn't care about casualties. All she really added to the game was an angsty human with authority issues as well as a perfect excuse for BioWare to use the F word so as to appear edgy and 'mature'. Sure, she had a backstory and personal mission, but then again so did Jacob. Really though, her presence in the setting as this 'Subject Zero' human anomaly who was apparently the most powerful biotic in the known galaxy, outshining even that of the naturally biotic asari, just reeked of more 'humans are special' garbage, as well as being wholly at odds with how she actually handled in-game. At most she should have been a one-off character, a method of further showcasing Cerberus' amoral experimentations, but not a as companion.
Zaeed or Kasumi - I place the distinction here because I feel that scrapping one and utilizing the resources put towards the other to fully fledge out the remaining character would have better served the story telling. It would have been nice to have more interactivity and reactivity with either of these characters instead of just recycled voice lines for 85% of the game. Out of the two of them I would initially vote for Zaeed to be cut, however if BioWare had opted to change him from being another human and instead had him as a Batarian, then I would alter my choice. I mean it's not like he personality would have had to change in the slightest, and it would have been nice to have an insight into the Batarian species as something more than the galaxy's resident 'space racists'.
Essentially I would ere on the side of less human companions. Humans are boring in any setting that contains other races or species, and even if those alien companions would only served as walking codex entries I would have gladly taken them over more 'daddy issues' any day.
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Post by copper on Jun 28, 2018 3:01:21 GMT
Jacob. I don't hate or even dislike him, but fem shep's default aggressively flirty tone annoys me to the point where I can't even talk to Jacob outside of his loyalty mission. It was also sloppy how Bioware handled him in ME3.
Kasumi. Though I never bought her dlc so maybe I'm missing out. She never really interested me from the videos I've seen though.
Either Miranda or Jack, both of whom I feel sorta indifferent to. Miranda is another duplicate of Bioware's ice queen archetype and the game kept shoving her butt in my face. Jack makes Bioware seem sooo edgy with her cussing, tattoos, and uber biotic powers. Basically for the reasons Vortex mentioned. These traits don't make me hate the characters, but they keep me from liking them all that much as well.
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Post by x19dude95 on Jun 28, 2018 23:29:37 GMT
Garrus Tail Miranda But keep her on the ship.
Thats if I had to... I’m probably the only one who doesn’t think that the squad size was to big. In fact I like the bigger squad more possibilities with who you can take with you each play-through
I don’t think we should cut members of the squad in 2 but incress the number you have in the field from two to four
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jun 29, 2018 0:01:49 GMT
Jacob: Because he sucks as a squad mate (I have taken him in missions before and he always gets knocked out fast).
Samara: Face it, she's just there because Bioware wanted one of their Blueskins on the team. And they were not going to let Liara "The Creeper" T'soni on the team due to the fact that she could die in the suicide mission.
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Post by Ascend on Jul 4, 2018 12:57:04 GMT
I chose Garrus, Legion and Thane. YOU MONSTER. I agree with a couple of people here... Jacob, Zaeed and Grunt. Jacob is simply boring and doesn't add much. Zaeed and Grunt I don't dislike or anything. But they simply can't stand a chance against the other squad mates.
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Post by Upggrade on Jul 4, 2018 14:12:50 GMT
Jacob, you know why. He's bl-BORING, I mean boring! Kasumi, why do we need a thief? Thane, why do we need an assassin?
Between the three of them, they never said a single word I cared about.
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Post by Ascend on Jul 4, 2018 15:04:20 GMT
Jacob, you know why. He's bl-BORING, I mean boring! Kasumi, why do we need a thief? Thane, why do we need an assassin? Between the three of them, they never said a single word I cared about. I like Kasumi because her loyalty mission was good and she's a fun character. Is she as fleshed out as others? No. But she definitely beats Zaeed. I will never understand how someone can not like Thane... His story is great. And by the way, why do we need anyone? Kasumi is useful as a technician in the suicide mission, for one.
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Post by Upggrade on Jul 5, 2018 1:01:04 GMT
Jacob, you know why. He's bl-BORING, I mean boring! Kasumi, why do we need a thief? Thane, why do we need an assassin? Between the three of them, they never said a single word I cared about. I like Kasumi because her loyalty mission was good and she's a fun character. Is she as fleshed out as others? No. But she definitely beats Zaeed. I will never understand how someone can not like Thane... His story is great. And by the way, why do we need anyone? Kasumi is useful as a technician in the suicide mission, for one. Eh, I didn't like her all that much in 2. Her cowardice in 3 is what really soured me on her though. And yes, she beat Zaeed, which is tragic because I liked him. I might have exaggerated my last line, I liked Thanes back story, but again, I don't get why we needed an assassin for a full frontal assault. Can she do the vent section in the SM? I never tried. If she can, I'll concede that she has a place, if a minor one.
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Post by jukaga on Jul 5, 2018 18:36:36 GMT
Thane, Legion and Jacob can take a stroll out the airlock.
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Post by Ascend on Jul 5, 2018 18:52:31 GMT
Legion is one of the best characters and best squad mates ever seen in a video game.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 5, 2018 19:06:49 GMT
Legion is one of the best characters and best squad mates ever seen in a video game. *chough* HK47 is better *chough*
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2018 20:41:15 GMT
Jacob. I don't hate or even dislike him, but fem shep's default aggressively flirty tone annoys me to the point where I can't even talk to Jacob outside of his loyalty mission. It was also sloppy how Bioware handled him in ME3. I agree so much with this, I straight up ignored him with my last femShep just to avoid the flirting. So much cringe.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Jul 6, 2018 20:08:39 GMT
Jacob's an easy choice. The man lacks personality.
The other one I can think of is Garrus. I like the guy and his recruitment mission's pretty good, but I'm not sure he contributes that much of interest once he's been recruited (aside from the possible romance, I guess).
I guess we'd need a new love interest for Femshep if we cut those two, but surely Thane makes up for it with his general awesomeness.
I wouldn't cut Zaeed or Kasumi - I'd give them proper recruitment missions and conversations with Shepard on the Normandy.
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