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Post by wufiei on Apr 12, 2018 5:20:30 GMT
Tested this setup on bronze solo for the HFI and had a bit of fun. The in advance.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Apr 12, 2018 9:05:39 GMT
That was a common sniper setup for people during the early weekend challenges, because the promo weapons were more common than ultrarares due to the weekly reward packs (except for people who were spending a lot of money, possibly.)
Valiant will work very well with the right mods/build, and the Hurricane is pretty much an ME 3 Noobtube.
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Post by nitrous on Apr 12, 2018 11:11:07 GMT
Valiant will work very well with the right mods/build If you don’t mind me asking, what are those right mods/builds? It’s just that I like this gun so much more than BW, but a lot of people keep telling me it’s not gonna cut it on Plat. I’m a big fan of that fast reload time, pinpoint accuracy, zero recoil and low weight.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Apr 12, 2018 11:40:21 GMT
Valiant will work very well with the right mods/build If you don’t mind me asking, what are those right mods/builds? It’s just that I like this gun so much more than BW, but a lot of people keep telling me it’s not gonna cut it on Plat. I’m a big fan of that fast reload time, pinpoint accuracy, zero recoil and low weight. Valiant is great on Platinum, just not as good as BW. On Gold, I will argue that it can be as good/better if you have good aim. Salarian Infiltrator has two stagger powers and the potential to boost sniper damage with TC rank 6. He obliterates heads, and is definitely just fine on Platinum with Valiant. If you can aim, it is a better multi-head popper than the BW, has less recoil, faster reload.... It is my favorite sniper rifle in the game, but I primarily play gold.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Apr 12, 2018 11:46:41 GMT
Valiant will work very well with the right mods/build If you don’t mind me asking, what are those right mods/builds? It’s just that I like this gun so much more than BW, but a lot of people keep telling me it’s not gonna cut it on Plat. I’m a big fan of that fast reload time, pinpoint accuracy, zero recoil and low weight. I'll be honest, as much as I love the Valiant, I'll echo that it suffers problems in the jump from Gold to Platinum. It is still a viable weapon in that environment, but the lower damage will often be felt against the massive Platinum health bars. It has all the qualities that you mentioned, and in the Gold environment, I'd argue it is competitive with the Widow/Black Widow (especially for people with less twitch aim ability.) It's not a perfect semi-assault rifle, nor a perfect high-damage sniper rifle, but combining some of the benefits of both makes it very powerful in Gold, assuming you address a few issues with mods and your build. A sniper build should be fairly obvious, combining weapon bonuses with damage/SR bonus (if an infiltrator.) Less obvious is fun stuff like the caster/sniper, a fun way to play an Asari Adept. Since the Adept is likely to lose at least some weapon bonuses to power evos, the trick is to use Warp Ammo. This gives extra oomph against armoured targets (important) as well as providing a very effective damage bonus whenever the target is under the effects of a priming power. For most mooks, even shielded, it's a simple cast of Stasis (or whatever it's called) followed by easy headshots against the held target with full warp ammo bonus. If the primer is detonated by a follow-up power, the Warp ammo won't apply its damage bonus anymore (until someone re-primes the target.) Mostly, consider the armour and piercing angle. More damage on a Sniper Rifle is of little use if it can't penetrate armour/scenery or loses much of its damage potential because it lacks armour mitigation. So make sure to have either a piercing barrel equipped on the Valiant itself, or if you lack one (or need the slot for something else) make sure to use either Armour Piercing ammo or Drill ammo. Don't combine the barrel with the ammo. For complicated reasons, it reduces the damage of the bullet too much when piercing cover, and is an oddity of game mechanics. Just make sure to use one or the other.* *But for the record, this quirky problem of shooting through cover does not apply to weapons with native piercing, like the Crusader or Black Widow. On those weapons, you can stack Armour Piercing with no penalty for shooting through cover. The issue stems from the game combining the penalties for shooting through cover for weapons that don't inherently pierce cover.
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Post by Lvca on Apr 12, 2018 11:56:06 GMT
Funnily enough, iirc Valiant has a higher sustained DPS which potentially makes it better than BW against bosses in plat.
Against mooks (plat) it gets trickier because you really need to hit headshots, and BW can 2-shot everything while a Valiant may need 3+ shots. BW also seems to stagger enemies more often.
As for how would the Valiant work with the DAI, it should work just fine. Recon mine slowing effect helps line up shots, and you can use it to finish kills too. Disruptor ammo and tech bursts may help with crowd control. As for the mods, if you're not using AP/drill ammo, go with the infiltrator sniper standard: heavy barrel and piercing module. If you do use AP/drill, extended barrel and a non piercing option of your choosing.
Edit: semi-ninja'd by jeremiah
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Apr 12, 2018 12:00:51 GMT
Oh, one more thing.
If you decide to use the heavy barrel with the %50 weight penalty on the Asari Adept (or any kit, really) and you don't mind a little cheese: Before starting the match, pop quickly back into the character menu and re-select your character. Then start the match without accessing your weapon menu. Another odd bug in the code will result in the Valiant receiving the benefits of the barrel without the weight penalty being applied to your casting refresh time.
BUT NO ONE ON BSN WOULD EVER CONDONE SUCH EGREGIOUS CHEATING
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Post by muahmuah on Apr 12, 2018 12:41:02 GMT
Valiant will work very well with the right mods/build If you don’t mind me asking, what are those right mods/builds? It’s just that I like this gun so much more than BW, but a lot of people keep telling me it’s not gonna cut it on Plat. I’m a big fan of that fast reload time, pinpoint accuracy, zero recoil and low weight. Don't listen to these people.Valiant rocks every difficult.Sure,it's not BW(it's not even close),but after BW,Widow and Javelin,it's the best sniper IMO.Luca recommends you disruptor ammo(and with DAI is the best choice),but warp is the best choice for Valian with every other character IMO.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Apr 12, 2018 13:29:59 GMT
If you don’t mind me asking, what are those right mods/builds? It’s just that I like this gun so much more than BW, but a lot of people keep telling me it’s not gonna cut it on Plat. I’m a big fan of that fast reload time, pinpoint accuracy, zero recoil and low weight. Don't listen to these people.Valiant rocks every difficult.Sure,it's not BW(it's not even close),but after BW, Widow and Javelin,it's the best sniper IMO.Luca recommends you disruptor ammo(and with DAI is the best choice),but warp is the best choice for Valiant with every other character IMO. This one understands.
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Post by Lvca on Apr 12, 2018 15:38:27 GMT
If you don’t mind me asking, what are those right mods/builds? It’s just that I like this gun so much more than BW, but a lot of people keep telling me it’s not gonna cut it on Plat. I’m a big fan of that fast reload time, pinpoint accuracy, zero recoil and low weight. Don't listen to these people.Valiant rocks every difficult.Sure,it's not BW(it's not even close),but after BW,Widow and Javelin,it's the best sniper IMO.Luca recommends you disruptor ammo(and with DAI is the best choice),but warp is the best choice for Valian with every other character IMO. Pretty much. I use warp as well on non-DAI kits (being completely honest I don't really play valiant DAI, or if I do it's very sparingly), except on a QMI build I tried (xen's build I think) that relies on AP/Drill and thermal scope. Forgot the question was about HFI too .
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Apr 12, 2018 16:04:29 GMT
Forgot the question was about HFI too . Well, putting a Valiant on the H MI would be weird! O.O
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Apr 12, 2018 16:51:33 GMT
I also forgot HFI question.
I prefer single shot sniper rifles with Cryo Blast, but spec it for Radius and Valiant still works fine.
Remember, Sticky Grenade needs to be tossed when you are scoped in for it to do proper damage, which is a peculiar bug but is what it is. Thus, I much prefer shotguns for VHI.
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Post by nitrous on Apr 13, 2018 8:47:52 GMT
Valiant is great on Platinum, just not as good as BW. On Gold, I will argue that it can be as good/better if you have good aim. Salarian Infiltrator has two stagger powers and the potential to boost sniper damage with TC rank 6. He obliterates heads, and is definitely just fine on Platinum with Valiant. If you can aim, it is a better multi-head popper than the BW, has less recoil, faster reload.... It is my favorite sniper rifle in the game, but I primarily play gold. I actually prefer the Valiant scope to the BW one, and it allows me to land two shots and then switch my target without having much trouble with readjusting my aim - but I do find it more punishing than the slower and high-recoil BW if you don't go for headshots - and that requires more finesse. Jeremiah12LGeek, thanks a lot for your advice, that really came in handy! I'm not a heavy SR user, so I was totally unaware of that piercing + ammo thing. Next time I'll be putting Warp ammo on my SR to see how it goes. And as for the weight glitch... Guilty as charged, I do abuse it on my Vanguards. But since I only play Vanguards on-host and I almost never host, I think people around here will forgive me for doing so. Funnily enough, iirc Valiant has a higher sustained DPS which potentially makes it better than BW against bosses in plat. I do happen to remember this for some reason, and one of my GI Valiant friends also told me that for him, Valiant is better than BW. But he's the type that gets 20 headshots before or during the first objective wave, so there's also that. after BW,Widow and Javelin,it's the best sniper Well, quite a few people struggle with single-shot SRs (and I'm one of them), and I simply can't use the Javelin (the gun is just ugh for me ATM), so for us scrubs, it's either BW or Valiant, and I happen to like the latter more. It feels like a needle, very accurate and sharp, while BW has that BANG BISH feeling to it which I absolutely don't mind on single-shot SRs or shotguns, but kind of don't welcome on 3-shot SRs. But yeah the bottom line is as always, L2P.
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Post by Alfonsedode on Apr 13, 2018 9:14:26 GMT
Valiant has a really nice rythm with clock and recon mine, but i m so used to bw... Valiant is super light too, so is fun on adept, engis and vanguards (though i m not a big fan of quickscoping at point blank range).
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Post by GruntKitterhand on Apr 13, 2018 10:37:28 GMT
I also forgot HFI question. I prefer single shot sniper rifles with Cryo Blast, but spec it for Radius and Valiant still works fine. Remember, Sticky Grenade needs to be tossed when you are scoped in for it to do proper damage, which is a peculiar bug but is what it is. Thus, I much prefer shotguns for VHI. I know you know this but it's worth stating for those that don't that the Kishock is immune to this bug, which is why it's a great fit for the Sticky characters. I still prefer the Claymore approach on the QFI but at least one of my HIs will get a run out with the Kishock from time to time. And I'll echo what I said yesterday in another thread, in agreement with nitrous's observations- the Valiant is all about the headshots, and in general I'm pretty rubbish in that department. I remember doing a Plat duo as a QMI (inspired by Xen's blistering abilities) with TMB and halfway through kinda cringing with embarrassment.
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Post by XCPTNL on Apr 13, 2018 10:53:23 GMT
Valiant works well on Gold but always kinda felt like a poor man's BW to me. Doesn't feel and sound powerful but I remember using it for a while back in 2012. To be honest pretty much everything works on Gold depending on the overall setup. Even before the full game launched (during demo/beta days) there was a gold solo available with a Widow SI. My first few matches were with unlevelled (obviously) Infiltrator using a Mantis. Luckily I got a Black Widow in my first pack and a Javelin in my second and the credit farming began Hurricane is pretty good as stated by someone before although I personally don't like automatic weapons that have you empty a whole clip into an enemy before they feel a tickle. But it's obviously pretty good on Gold and Platinum.
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Post by docsteely on Apr 13, 2018 13:11:24 GMT
Valiant = warp for any difficulty and/or enemy, but why would you need the Hurricane?
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Post by rayemx on Apr 13, 2018 17:09:57 GMT
Valiant = warp for any difficulty and/or enemy, but why would you need the Hurricane?
Maybe for close range encounter?
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Post by docsteely on Apr 14, 2018 14:18:29 GMT
Valiant = warp for any difficulty and/or enemy, but why would you need the Hurricane?
Maybe for close range encounter? You're an infiltrator: what's that close range encounters ? Plus you have very nice slowing powers on both the HInf and DAI...
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Post by XCPTNL on Apr 16, 2018 15:30:32 GMT
Maybe for close range encounter? You're an infiltrator: what's that close range encounters ? Plus you have very nice slowing powers on both the HInf and DAI... Also: most Sniper Rifles work well at all ranges, even at melee range. With my DAI and the Black Widow I often run around like a madman an quickscope enemies. Most of the time I like to shoot them through walls though. Anyways... a sidearm is hardly necessary. And if you don't feel comfortable fighting enemies at close range with a SR I'd suggest practicing this instead of packing another weapon and switching them (which takes time and you also can't equip several damage amps - so focus on one weapon)...
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Apr 16, 2018 16:48:40 GMT
Maybe for close range encounter? You're an infiltrator: what's that close range encounters ? Plus you have very nice slowing powers on both the HInf and DAI... This. Plus, you took melee damage on TC rank 5.... RIGHT? It's their face - you cloak because you want to punch it.
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Post by max on Apr 16, 2018 18:05:41 GMT
Your weapon selection for an infiltrator looks good OP.
Now just lose the Valiant and re distribute the last 2 ranks of TC into other skills and you'll really be onto something.
Hurricane >>>>>> Valiant (especially when both are at low level)
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