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Post by Sartoz on Oct 6, 2016 1:17:42 GMT
,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
Who are these three (see bottom pic)?
Bio is not against showing in your face clues and yet talk about or show something else to divert your attention. In this case, we all talked about the Ninja Asari, but left out what I believe is a "in your face clue".
So, let's take a closer look at these three from the 4K tech VIDEO.
1. Two wear the Ai insignia 2. The "older looking" male has a different insignia with the letter A 3. All three are humans 4. Except for Ryder, the other two are wearing their helmets 5. Remember that this in-game footage is purposely edited to remove dialogue, Hud and other potential spoilers.
So, what is hidden in plain view? Why, the Ryder Family!!
Suporting facts
a- Only a Pathfinder can be the protagonist b- Only one sibling is The Pathfinder c- Dad and other sibling are "out there" in the cluster d- Older male is NOT wearing a Pathfinder suit e- young female IS wearing a Pathfinder suit f- Conveniently, The Pathfinder mentions the possibility that the displayed systems contain other Vaults.
Conclusion
Our Pathfider sends dad and sis to investigate the other Vaults. Which is why the first trailer shows an older N7 male with a younger female. Furthermore, I bet that Cora is the female Ryder default name.
There you have it.
Now go ahead and take this Wild Theory it apart. I's be interested to read other ideas.
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Post by goishen on Oct 6, 2016 3:26:30 GMT
Interesting theory that Cora is actually Cora Ryder, but then why would BioWare say she's a companion? Unless she can become a companion?
Hmmm. Like I said, interesting theory.
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Post by guanxi on Oct 6, 2016 8:47:07 GMT
Kora is the Asari pretty sure this was mentioned in the first leak along with the name of the Krogan (Drak). The Ryder siblings are both 'Ryder'.
N7 dad is probably a thinly veiled allegorical allusion to Shepard. A meta commentary plot device who goes missing only to die at the end in an atonement death scene which will symbolically represent the passing of the torch from Shepard (Edmonton) to Ryder (Montreal) by recognizing the contributions of the former and the commitment of the latter to live up to their legacy.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 6, 2016 9:03:30 GMT
One issue with this is that the female we see with us in the Sony footage is also seen with us in a completely different location when we also have a krogan squadmate. So she travels with us for more than one mission. Since Bioware said our sibling will be off doing their own thing, that makes the female with us being our sister unlikely. I suspect a more likely scenario if we know her from our past is her being a comrade of ours, like say she and Ryder graduate from the academy together.
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Post by Sartoz on Oct 6, 2016 10:03:53 GMT
Interesting theory that Cora is actually Cora Ryder, but then why would BioWare say she's a companion? Unless she can become a companion? Hmmm. Like I said, interesting theory. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
It's the "older" guy that bugs me and (the logo). Plus, I know Bio likes to tease. As far as "companion" is concerned... fair enough.
One things that I'm unclear about is the N7 companions. Those two seem to appear in the EAPLAY video with Ryder. One hypothesis is that the "old man" bought it. It also seems likely that the scenes are from the Krogan loyalty mission.
In any case, I believe Bio needs to show us the Ryder family at one point and what best place to do so but at the start of the game (DA2 anyone)?
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Post by Sartoz on Oct 6, 2016 10:10:56 GMT
One issue with this is that the female we see with us in the Sony footage is also seen with us in a completely different location when we also have a krogan squadmate. So she travels with us for more than one mission. Since Bioware said our sibling will be off doing their own thing, that makes the female with us being our sister unlikely. I suspect a more likely scenario if we know her from our past is her being a comrade of ours, like say she and Ryder graduate from the academy together. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ I'm reviewing the footage to see if I can spot the Ai logos (N7 trailer) + EAPLAY video.
And I agree about her being in two different locations. One possibility is that the trailers are not in time sequence. Another, if I remember correctly, is the armour set for the female is slightly different and certainly not Pathfinder white. But, as explained up thread, she could swap armour once she's into combat missions.
I'm hoping that the N7 Day reveal contains more clues.
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Post by ulmanicator on Oct 6, 2016 10:34:27 GMT
Kora is the Asari pretty sure this was mentioned in the first leak along with the name of the Krogan (Drak). The Ryder siblings are both 'Ryder'. The leak about Cora said that she has biotic abilities. We have never seen new asari using them, and her overall non-standard appearance may suggest that she just isn't able to do so. I suggest that Cora is a human blonde from another leak
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Post by shechinah on Oct 6, 2016 11:37:27 GMT
Kora is the Asari pretty sure this was mentioned in the first leak along with the name of the Krogan (Drak). The Ryder siblings are both 'Ryder'. The leak about Cora said that she has biotic abilities. We have never seen new asari using them, and her overall non-standard appearance may suggest that she just isn't able to do so. I suggest that Cora is a human blonde from another leak I think Cora is the human blonde as well but I don't think the asari is necessarily a non-biotic especially since bioticism is a racial trait of the asari and we should have heard of exceptions to the norm in the trilogy if they existed prior to Andromeda. I don't believe Liara used her biotics during her first mission either so I would not take the 4K footage to mean that this asari does not have biotics. That said, it might be that she really does not have biotics but if that is the case then I'd like for the reason to be something else than a retcon saying: "Oh no, asari do have exceptions. They just aren't talked about".
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Post by Fogg on Oct 6, 2016 14:10:49 GMT
I don't know... I always have the feeling that N7 Dad Ryder is in a lot of trouble in that old trailer, desperately trying to jetpack up some rocks. I think he's M.I.A. or something in the main game.
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Post by ulmanicator on Oct 6, 2016 14:34:53 GMT
The leak about Cora said that she has biotic abilities. We have never seen new asari using them, and her overall non-standard appearance may suggest that she just isn't able to do so. I suggest that Cora is a human blonde from another leak I think Cora is the human blonde as well but I don't think the asari is necessarily a non-biotic especially since bioticism is a racial trait of the asari and we should have heard of exceptions to the norm in the trilogy if they existed prior to Andromeda. I don't believe Liara used her biotics during her first mission either so I would not take the 4K footage to mean that this asari does not have biotics. That said, it might be that she really does not have biotics but if that is the case then I'd like for the reason to be something else than a retcon saying: "Oh no, asari do have exceptions. They just aren't talked about". I hope all what's special about her ( i.e. stripe) will be explained in appropriate way and that general racial designof asari will stay the same. BTW, do you think we saw Cora in PS$ pro trailer or it was some other human women?
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Post by shechinah on Oct 6, 2016 15:01:16 GMT
I hope all what's special about her ( i.e. stripe) will be explained in appropriate way and that general racial designof asari will stay the same. BTW, do you think we saw Cora in PS$ pro trailer or it was some other human women? The marking is likely either the asari's facial pattern or some form of make-up. Personally, I believe it is the latter due to how the rest of her skin and how the stripe does not match her star-like pattern.
I think the female human in the 4K footage is Cora and that she may also be the female human that has appeared in the E3 trailers including alongside the N7 and the krogan. I cannot rule out there may be another female human that is the N7's squadmate only but I also think it may simply be Cora in different armor. In the leaked footage, there is a female human in the squad who appears to have blonde hair. I suspect this is Cora as well. I've noted this more in-depth in the CSI BSN thread, I believe, including with time stamps and with the videos.
Here is a shot of the female human in greyish armor that appears alongside the N7 in the E3 2015 trailer. She could simply be a redshirt, of course, but there is a shot in the E3 2016 trailer where a character in similar armor and figure can be seen very briefly.
i.imgur.com/AtAgzAS.jpg
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Post by Sartoz on Oct 6, 2016 17:04:55 GMT
Kora is the Asari pretty sure this was mentioned in the first leak along with the name of the Krogan (Drak). The Ryder siblings are both 'Ryder'. The leak about Cora said that she has biotic abilities. We have never seen new asari using them, and her overall non-standard appearance may suggest that she just isn't able to do so. I suggest that Cora is a human blonde from another leak ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ Don't humans have biotic abilities? I'm thinking of Jack.
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Post by Sartoz on Oct 6, 2016 17:11:04 GMT
The leak about Cora said that she has biotic abilities. We have never seen new asari using them, and her overall non-standard appearance may suggest that she just isn't able to do so. I suggest that Cora is a human blonde from another leak I think Cora is the human blonde as well but I don't think the asari is necessarily a non-biotic especially since bioticism is a racial trait of the asari and we should have heard of exceptions to the norm in the trilogy if they existed prior to Andromeda. I don't believe Liara used her biotics during her first mission either so I would not take the 4K footage to mean that this asari does not have biotics. That said, it might be that she really does not have biotics but if that is the case then I'd like for the reason to be something else than a retcon saying: "Oh no, asari do have exceptions. They just aren't talked about". ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
Is it possible that biotics manifest themselves starting at the onset of Asari puberty? Of course, Asari puberty could start after their first century of life.
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Post by shechinah on Oct 6, 2016 17:13:43 GMT
The leak about Cora said that she has biotic abilities. We have never seen new asari using them, and her overall non-standard appearance may suggest that she just isn't able to do so. I suggest that Cora is a human blonde from another leak ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ Don't humans have biotic abilities? I'm thinking of Jack.
It is entirely possible that there's more than one biotic squadmate especially given how it was in the previous games.
In Mass Effect, there was Liara, Kaidan and Wrex.
In Mass Effec 2, there was Miranda, Jack, Samara, Morinth, Jacob and Thane.
In Mass Effect 3, there was Liara and Kaidan if he survived the first game. It was the only game out of the three wherein you only had one biotic on the team; this being if Ashley was the survivor. There was also Javik but he was DLC.
Note: I'm not counting temporary squadmates likes the ones in some of the DLC.
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Post by shechinah on Oct 6, 2016 17:26:07 GMT
I think Cora is the human blonde as well but I don't think the asari is necessarily a non-biotic especially since bioticism is a racial trait of the asari and we should have heard of exceptions to the norm in the trilogy if they existed prior to Andromeda. I don't believe Liara used her biotics during her first mission either so I would not take the 4K footage to mean that this asari does not have biotics. That said, it might be that she really does not have biotics but if that is the case then I'd like for the reason to be something else than a retcon saying: "Oh no, asari do have exceptions. They just aren't talked about". ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
Is it possible that biotics manifest themselves starting at the onset of Asari puberty? Of course, Asari puberty could start after their first century of life.
According to the Wikipedia and most verified by codex information, "all asari are naturally biotic from birth, though not all choose to develop their abilities."
This marks them apart from other races where biotics develop from individuals being exposed to eezo in utero. It also states that asari do not require implants to use biotics effectively and: "nor do they need to undergo special training to acquire concious neutral control: their reproductive physiology grants them the ability from birth."
Basically, bioticism in asari would be presence from birth but I imaging it might first come into play when they became more able to form concious thoughts. That would still be before puberty, though.
Interestingly, a lack of biotic talent apparently excludes an asari from Thessian military service. I should note that this means an asari that either has not developed their biotic powers or has insufficent talent when it comes to using them. There are no known exceptions to the rule of all asari being natural biotics that I could find.
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Post by Robo on Oct 6, 2016 17:31:52 GMT
That's a pretty wild theory.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Oct 6, 2016 20:47:07 GMT
My guess is that these two characters aren't actually companions in the game, but merely character models they used for the purpose of the PS4 Pro 4K demo. The female is probably the default FemRyder and the male is probably N7 Guy/Dad, but that doesn't mean they will be there on the mission. Their bland suits and constantly helmeted heads make me believe that they are just there to show that there are in fact companions (2 at a time) and use models we have already seen in previous trailers so as not to give out any additional information. That's just a theory, but it makes sense that they would use models we have already seen so avoid spoiling anything down the line. The entire sequence will play out fairly differently in the final version, I'm guessing, even though the footage was captured "in game." It was heavily edited for use of the demo and was not anything like a live playthrough. That's my theory.
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Post by Arcian on Oct 6, 2016 22:08:24 GMT
Sartoz, let's not fool ourselves here - every post you make is a wild theory.
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Post by dalinne on Oct 6, 2016 23:24:18 GMT
Sartoz, let's not fool ourselves here - every post you make is a wild theory. Sartoz is wild, man
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Post by GannayevOfDreams on Oct 6, 2016 23:32:11 GMT
I think there is a good chance the female in that footage is the sibling Female Ryder, since the helmet-less protag is the Male Ryder. It looks to be early in the game, hence the all-human squad. The other guy we have no context for really, but he is shorter than MRyder and much stockier. Getting a "Vega" vibe from him. Perhaps a similarly muscle-bound "bro" type character.
Somewhat in the vein of how the first squadmates you got in DA2 were your siblings.
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Post by BadgerladDK on Oct 7, 2016 9:57:26 GMT
I'm really not sure how you get from your supporting facts to the conclusion that space-dad does this and that. Like, at all... However, I can buy that this might be the Ryder family Christmas card. That bit makes sense.
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Post by The Elder King on Oct 7, 2016 10:09:42 GMT
I think I recall in a preview about then PS4 Pro reveal demo that it was stated they used generic armour models with the purpose of hiding stuff. It's the Same reason as why the cut off squadmates following you in the tech demo. So I wouldn't read much in those characters' armours.
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Post by goishen on Oct 7, 2016 17:04:53 GMT
Well, that's about all that we can do. For another month. Actually thirty days and counting, since October has thirty one days. Not that I'm actually anxious, mind you.
EDIT : GDI. Wait. Nope, still gonna be 30.
EDIT : Reasons why I can't become a programmer #281 : I suck at simple math.
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Post by bshep on Oct 7, 2016 19:18:08 GMT
Ok, that is a totaly wild theory... Most of the "supporting facts" you presented aren't facts at all but your own supposition.
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Post by Sartoz on Oct 7, 2016 20:00:33 GMT
Ok, that is a totaly wild theory... Most of the "supporting facts" you presented aren't facts at all but your own supposition. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ That's a broad brush while presenting no counters.
Just remember that Flynn mentioned ".. you are the Pathfinder...".
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