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Post by Yermogi on Apr 22, 2018 12:45:43 GMT
Before anyone comes in upset, let me clarify- I don't WANT the Warden to be dead- my Warden is still my favorite out of all my protagonists. She was the FIRST, and it's hard to beat her. I'm thinking in realistic terms, has the Taint killed them by the time of DA4 or not?
The Taint basically cuts down a Warden's life to a fraction of what it would be normally, so they have about 20 years. The Joining took place in 9:30, so by the time Inquisitions rolls around (9:41), it's already been 11 years, and the Warden has started their search for a cure. That's the last we hear of them in the game, and Trespasser takes place in 9:44. So at that point they've got roughly 5-6 years before they start getting hit hard with the Calling. If DA4 takes place sometime around 9:50 as some unconfirmed rumors would suggest, then there's a chance the Warden has succeeded in her mission- or failed.
What do you guys think? Do you think there's actually a cure out there and the Warden finds it? Or maybe the Warden finds a cure, but it comes with a horrible cost? Or it's an actual cure, but it's too late to save the Warden? What are their actual chances of survival? Is it a big deal to you, or would you be fine with the Warden undergoing the Calling/dying while trying to find a cure? I personally would LOVE for them to get a cure and live a long and happy life, but knowing Bioware, I just find it a little unlikely.
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Post by psychomegify on Apr 22, 2018 13:33:32 GMT
Bioware wouldn't dare kill the warden off, that's just asking for pissed off fans. But no i dont think they're dead or close to it, since i'm pretty sure it's actually around 30 years until the calling. Also i'm hoping bioware didnt just bring up this plot thread just for it to go nowhere, especially since it could give us more insight into the blight and i'm a sucker for lore. Anyways i think the cures out there, and that the warden was successful in finding out more. However i don't think they have a working cure yet, and it's going to get passed on to another warden more suitable for the research. As for the wardens fate, i hope bioware leaves it to headcannon. I love my warden but her story should have ended with the first game. There's no way bioware can write a new ending that pleases everyone. That being said I'd like to think she gets cured and lives peacefully with zevran although i can just picture my tired and weary warden, too tainted for the cure, spending one last night partying with friends at her 'funeral' before venturing into the deeproads never to be seen again. What can i say, i'm a sucker for tragedy
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Post by rras1994 on Apr 22, 2018 13:44:36 GMT
Bioware wouldn't dare kill the warden off, that's just asking for pissed off fans. But no i dont think they're dead or close to it, since i'm pretty sure it's actually around 30 years until the calling. Also i'm hoping bioware didnt just bring up this plot thread just for it to go nowhere, especially since it could give us more insight into the blight and i'm a sucker for lore. Anyways i think the cures out there, and that the warden was successful in finding out more. However i don't think they have a working cure yet, and it's going to get passed on to another warden more suitable for the research. As for the wardens fate, i hope bioware leaves it to headcannon. I love my warden but her story should have ended with the first game. There's no way bioware can write a new ending that pleases everyone. That being said I'd like to think she gets cured and lives peacefully with zevran although i can just picture my tired and weary warden, too tainted for the cure, spending one last night partying with friends at her 'funeral' before venturing into the deeproads never to be seen again. What can i say, i'm a sucker for tragedy It's thirty years if they aren't part of a Blight, if there's a blight it shortens their lifespan dramatically, by at least a decade - and the warden one day dying from the blight is something we always knew would happen from the first game, it's not new info. Not that I think BioWare are necessarily going to address it, as we are not going to be in Southern Thedas anymore so the Warden isn't going to be as big a figure, so they aren't going to be pushed to mention them. I think if DA4 is 4 -6 years after DAI, the warden being dead wouldn't be that bad as they would have got 20 years extra life then they would otherwise have got. It also wouldn't be BioWare deciding the warden's fate for the players, so much as something that we all know does happen to wardens. Though I do agree fans would likely still be pissed off anyway. To me personally, I find the warden being able to be cured and live a happily ever after when none of the other protags get off that way (Inky loses arm/special ability and the power of their organisation, Hawke loses their title and family members/could also be dead) would be out of step with the Dragon Age setting, specially as the Grey Wardens seem to be built around the concept of sacrifice.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Apr 22, 2018 14:01:42 GMT
Since the time before the calling is smaller when you join during a blight, and callings can occur after as little as 10 years or less, the HoF could have theirs start any time from now, or it might have started already. Which might be why they're off in the deeproads trying to find a cure, and could already be dead by the time da4 starts even if it starts not very long after trespasser (Leliana's romanced epilogue is time vague but tells us they’re at least alive shortly after trespasser in so far as the soft canon nature of epilogues can).
I would have been fine if they just never mentioned what HoF’s currently doing and let me headcanon it. But since they’ve gone down the road of explaining their absence with a plot thread I think they probably will have the Warden find something, otherwise they end on 'the last thing your warden did before they died was fail' which is a pretty terrible ending to tack onto the HoF after their pretty satisfying DAO and DAA endings.
That said I don't see bioware actually curing the warden, why continue to leave a loose end dangling when you can let it die the way it's already supposed to and not have to worry about it anymore. So I think maybe the Warden will find some piece of vital information, maybe on curing the taint, maybe on something else to do with the blight or other deeproads/ancient secrets, and then they'll die fighting and/so their companion/s get out of the deeproads with it.
We could find out about it from said escaping companion/s telling us the story and info. Or if bioware’s feeling more fan servicey they could do a dlc in which you play the warden through their final quest, but I think the former options more likely.
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Post by rras1994 on Apr 22, 2018 14:08:26 GMT
Since the time before the calling is smaller when you join during a blight, and callings can occur after as little as 10 years or less, the HoF could have theirs start any time from now, or it might have started already. Which might be why they're off in the deeproads trying to find a cure, and could already be dead by the time da4 starts even if it starts not very long after trespasser (Leliana's romanced epilogue is time vague but tells us they’re at least alive shortly after trespasser in so far as the soft canon nature of epilogues can). I would have been fine if they just never mentioned what HoF’s currently doing and let me headcanon it. But since they’ve gone down the road of explaining their absence with a plot thread I think they probably will have the Warden find something, otherwise they end on 'the last thing your warden did before they died was fail' which is a pretty terrible ending to tack onto the HoF after their pretty satisfying DAO and DAA endings. That said I don't see bioware actually curing the warden, why continue to leave a loose end dangling when you can let it die the way it's already supposed to and not have to worry about it anymore. So I think maybe the Warden will find some piece of vital information, maybe on curing the taint, maybe on something else to do with the blight or other deeproads/ancient secrets, and then they'll die fighting and/so their companion/s get out of the deeproads with it. We could find out about it from said escaping companion/s telling us the story and info. Or if bioware’s feeling more fan servicey they could do a dlc in which you play the warden through their final quest, but I think the former options more likely. They could also go a sorta of rumours route so that it could be pretty open ended for players to imagine how their warden ended and include it mentioned in a codex, like some say the warden just disappearded after saying a final farewell to companions, other say they were seen with the Legion of the Dead valiantly fighting off darkspawn til their last, others say they spent their last days finding valiable info on the Blight before losing themselves etc... and making each story more outlandish, so that it's confirmed the Warden went through the calling but the exact circumstances aren't confirmed and could be headcannoned by the player.
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Post by warden on Apr 22, 2018 14:15:12 GMT
Chances of alive wardens in DA4, well depends how many time passes and how the cure quest goes, so really all is in the writers hands, as they refused to give a closure in DAI.
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Post by MediocreOgre on Apr 22, 2018 14:24:32 GMT
personally i’d be displeased if my warden lives happily ever after twiddling their thumbs the rest of their life.
I did the dark ritual for the purpose of seeing what future drama it would cause I knew full well there would be consequences and largely there have been none. Which is annoying because to me that is interesting.
I also feel like any “happily ever after” story is under cut by world ending drama in subsequent games as it makes our Wardens seem negligent or outside the bounds of the story.
DAI really brought attention to this by having the Warden AWOL as their possible partners (Leliana, Morrigan, Allistair) put their lives in danger to stop a Blighted creature. While the Warden was traveling around selfishly looking for a cure while their order descended into bat shit crazy chaos.
Not to mention if our Warden was Dalish they may really be interested in Solas stuff in the next game(s) and so if they continue the non commital “looking for a cure just off screen with no gratifying payofff” it starts being worse to me than if they just kill them off from the Taint. Because it really starts homogenizing our Wardens into the type who obsesses over living a few years longer as the world burns around them and their lovers jeapordize themselves. Which is gross to me.
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Post by duskwanderer on Apr 22, 2018 14:58:00 GMT
The Warden is still alive, probably. But they will not be in the story. And that's a good thing.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Apr 22, 2018 17:33:56 GMT
Before anyone comes in upset, let me clarify- I don't WANT the Warden to be dead What are you, some kind of Necromancer? My canon Warden is dead as a door nail. What I find upsetting is that you won't let her sacrifice stand for what she intended.
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Post by MarilynRobert on Apr 22, 2018 17:58:10 GMT
The Warden is still alive, probably. But they will not be in the story. And that's a good thing. As much as I like for my favorite characters to continue into the next episode, I'm always afraid that will get them killed. They always seem to be safer, never mentioned again.
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Post by Zemgus on Apr 22, 2018 19:35:13 GMT
The Warden is likely not going to appear in the future DA games... at least according to ex-Bioware employee Mike Laidlaw. So whether they're alive or not probably depends on each players personal head canon for their character.
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Post by Yermogi on Apr 23, 2018 0:00:44 GMT
The Warden is likely not going to appear in the future DA games... at least according to ex-Bioware employee Mike Laidlaw. So whether they're alive or not probably depends on each players personal head canon for their character. Yes, the Warden may be dead in some playthroughs, but for plenty of people they were alive and kicking in DAI. I agree that it's unlikely that they'll show up again as either a PC or an NPC- my question is whether or not they would survive to see the events of DA4, or whether its more likely that they'll be dead. Mostly I was just looking for people's thoughts on the Warden's survivability given that their lifespan is shortened and searching for a possibly dubious cure. As far as the Warden's actual lifespan goes, I know in DA:O, Alistair said 30 years, but I heard later that was retconed into 20. I'm not sure what the actual span is now, but between 20-30 years seems reasonable to me. I'll go with that lol.
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Post by coldsteelblue on Apr 23, 2018 5:55:19 GMT
The Warden is likely not going to appear in the future DA games... at least according to ex-Bioware employee Mike Laidlaw. So whether they're alive or not probably depends on each players personal head canon for their character. Yes, the Warden may be dead in some playthroughs, but for plenty of people they were alive and kicking in DAI. I agree that it's unlikely that they'll show up again as either a PC or an NPC- my question is whether or not they would survive to see the events of DA4, or whether its more likely that they'll be dead. Mostly I was just looking for people's thoughts on the Warden's survivability given that their lifespan is shortened and searching for a possibly dubious cure. As far as the Warden's actual lifespan goes, I know in DA:O, Alistair said 30 years, but I heard later that was retconed into 20. I'm not sure what the actual span is now, but between 20-30 years seems reasonable to me. I'll go with that lol. The time frame for the calling is pretty much all over the place, 30 years may be an average, or even the longest anyone has gone, but even in DA:O an epilogue slide for Loghain mentions that it comes to him much quicker, in just a few years if memory serves & that is due to his age, so maybe younger wardens, like Alistair & HoF can hold it off longer. Anyhoo, I'm sure that by the time of DA4 the Hof will have found a working cure (mostly confirmed by romanced Leliana in Trespasser as the HoF is back with her by then anyway) & I believe this will add tension to the rising dissent within the grey warden ranks, knowing that wardens are not necessarily bound to the order after all. Just my thoughts & opinion on this.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 23, 2018 15:20:59 GMT
I don't want the Warden to ever be mentioned again in games.
If the HoF is alive, let us headcanon his or her life from now on.
If dead, then let the Hero rest in peace.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 23, 2018 15:40:11 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if the Warden is mentioned in dialogue. Not between main character and another character, but in passing. And/or the Warden will be mentioned in a codex.
Depending on when the next game takes place, its possible the Warden could be alive
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 23, 2018 18:13:22 GMT
I think the longevity of the Warden can be affected by various factors including, as pointed out above, the age at which they undertook the Joining. Being a Warden during a Blight is meant to shorten the time to their Calling but since the 5th Blight lasted only a year I am not sure how much of a difference it made.
In the Last Flight, Garahel and Isseya had only recently joined the Wardens when the 4th Blight started. By the end of it 10 years later, Isseya was definitely showing the effects of increased deterioration, whilst Garahel was less so, although since he did the ultimate sacrifice and the novel focuses more on her,it is hard to know how badly he was being affected. There is some vague suggestion that the rapidity of her decline may in part have been due to her use of blood magic but I may be imagining that.
So let's say living through a Blight did accelerate the deterioration in our Warden, that would account for the time factor being reduced from 30 years, which is what Alistair was told for a period between Blights, and 20 years given later. It is not clear how extensive the false Calling was but since Corypheus was mimicking the arch-demons call and then this was amplified by the Nightmare demon, it could be said that this was effectively having a similar effect on Wardens' deterioration as a real Blight would. If that was the case and it in any way reached as far as our Warden, then their lifespan may have been reduced further.
In which case, by the close of Trespasser I'd say they have anything between 1-5 years before they have to think about undertaking their last journey to the Deep Roads. Since no mention was made of them finding a cure in the epilogue where they romance Leliana, I think it is unlikely they will get a reprieve unless something is turned up by our new PC in the next game.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 23, 2018 20:28:24 GMT
I think the longevity of the Warden can be affected by various factors including, as pointed out above, the age at which they undertook the Joining. Being a Warden during a Blight is meant to shorten the time to their Calling but since the 5th Blight lasted only a year I am not sure how much of a difference it made. In the Last Flight, Garahel and Isseya had only recently joined the Wardens when the 4th Blight started. By the end of it 10 years later, Isseya was definitely showing the effects of increased deterioration, whilst Garahel was less so, although since he did the ultimate sacrifice and the novel focuses more on her,it is hard to know how badly he was being affected. There is some vague suggestion that the rapidity of her decline may in part have been due to her use of blood magic but I may be imagining that. Indeed, given:
I believe she took the taint of those gryphon eggs into herself to purify them, further accelerating her decline
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Post by andydandymandy on Apr 25, 2018 2:23:45 GMT
I am guessing The Warden would be around the same age Duncan was in Origins in a Inquisition/DA4 timeline.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 25, 2018 3:25:53 GMT
I am guessing The Warden would be around the same age Duncan was in Origins in a Inquisition/DA4 timeline. Duncan is at the earliest in his late forties and more likely in his fifties since he was a Grey Warden for about the thirty years you get, being Commander of the Grey for twenty years. The Hero of Fereldan's age varies depending on the Origin but all are within the range of late teens(City Elf I believe is the youngest at 18) to mid twenties. That means by the time of Inquisition the HoF is in their late twenties to mid thirties, and by the end of Trespasser between thirty to late thirties.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 6:47:07 GMT
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Post by aslightjump on Apr 25, 2018 6:57:06 GMT
Look at this point I consider the Warden's fate to be in my hands - I don't care what the games say about her, if she doesn't show up on my screen, she's either dead or alive as I see fit.
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Post by SofaJockey on Apr 25, 2018 9:15:24 GMT
Bioware wouldn't dare kill the warden off, that's just asking for pissed off fans. Ha. BioWare have said repeatedly that the HoF will not appear in any future games. If players have a viable Keep save, there might be a reference to them (or more likely to their death) but it would be a fleeting mention at best, I reckon.
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Post by andydandymandy on Apr 26, 2018 0:07:14 GMT
Bioware wouldn't dare kill the warden off, that's just asking for pissed off fans. Ha. BioWare have said repeatedly that the HoF will not appear in any future games. If players have a viable Keep save, there might be a reference to them (or more likely to their death) but it would be a fleeting mention at best, I reckon. Mike Laidlaw said that, but he left BioWare so I don't think HOF appearing is off the table anymore.
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Post by ayenari on Apr 27, 2018 13:31:49 GMT
Even if the character is alive, the chances you'll be seeing the Warden are ridiculously slim.
DA:O is about the last bioware game where the player character's purpose was more directly a vehicle for a self inserts into the story than a distinct developed character on their own.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Apr 27, 2018 14:30:01 GMT
Before anyone comes in upset, let me clarify- I don't WANT the Warden to be dead- my Warden is still my favorite out of all my protagonists. She was the FIRST, and it's hard to beat her. I'm thinking in realistic terms, has the Taint killed them by the time of DA4 or not?
The Taint basically cuts down a Warden's life to a fraction of what it would be normally, so they have about 20 years. The Joining took place in 9:30, so by the time Inquisitions rolls around (9:41), it's already been 11 years, and the Warden has started their search for a cure. That's the last we hear of them in the game, and Trespasser takes place in 9:44. So at that point they've got roughly 5-6 years before they start getting hit hard with the Calling. If DA4 takes place sometime around 9:50 as some unconfirmed rumors would suggest, then there's a chance the Warden has succeeded in her mission- or failed. What do you guys think? Do you think there's actually a cure out there and the Warden finds it? Or maybe the Warden finds a cure, but it comes with a horrible cost? Or it's an actual cure, but it's too late to save the Warden? What are their actual chances of survival? Is it a big deal to you, or would you be fine with the Warden undergoing the Calling/dying while trying to find a cure? I personally would LOVE for them to get a cure and live a long and happy life, but knowing Bioware, I just find it a little unlikely. At a certain point BioWare is going have to a time jump of a few decades with the Dragon Age games just so they can actually tell a story that doesn't involve 3 games and a bunch of DLC (not to mention novels, comics, web series, and an anime movie) just to be able to move the series forward. So that would mean the Warden, Hawke, and the Inquisitor would be all be dead (how they died could be the Calling, going out on one adventure to many, or just old age) and the same with 98% of their companions now old and retired NPCs (like Varric and Leliana) who be the ones to give all the exposition and some side quests or dead themselves. IMHO Dragon Age 4 would be the best place to do it.
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