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Post by N7Pathfinder on May 9, 2019 21:11:33 GMT
Seriously! I watched a youtube theory video that thought up the exact same thing!
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Post by colfoley on May 9, 2019 22:01:42 GMT
Well Endgame did make clear that Thanos was a bit of meglomaniac ideologue. The problem and flaw in his logic...which the movie itself brings up...is that a lot of the universe does not really know what the hell happened or why half their people just were decimated. Hell its not even really that obvious what people on Earth know! All this being said as a preamble for I suspect that Thanos's answer to your question...what I think was in the Mad Titan's head...was that once he snapped and proved that the universe was better off 'balanced' that the survivors would impliment means of keeping their population control. Maybe even just every few centuries randomly killing off half their own people. Hell or have someone do it for the universe. He mentions to Gamora that he hoped to see her on his throne one day so that suggests he was planning on having someone else, a line of succeession, to keep an eye on the universe and make sure it stayed balanced. An insane plan but the whole plan was insane to begin with. Meanwhile: www.cbr.com/joe-russo-confirms-hulk-arm-injury/?utm_content=buffer0839f&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_source=CBR-FB-P&utm_campaign=CBR-FB-P&fbclid=IwAR0G_eqhZhoe318qvHxWksY4V_uQB9WMO-X402-xQkIofUs7sQR6en0rL4gReminds me of someone else Yup, I was a bit disappointed in his charecterization in Endgame. That he turned out to have thought his plan and mission and life's work through so poorly, and changed it so suddenly just because the heroes came up with a neat trick kind of cheapens his resolve and presence in Infinity War, and he was the best thing about that movie. I disagree.... actually I agree. *sigh*. I think that his new plan was a little disappointing because what was so awesome about Thanos was his ideological will and consistency that to see him go "meh I'll try this much more EVIL plan" was a bit of a let down. But on the other hand this is what he could have always been and the path that he was going to go down, I foresaw this as pretty much one of two options when predicting the movie... though not in the exact way it happened. Yes it might cheapen the character and might make it a negative but then thanos didn't get a lot of screen time. You also have to remember that: the thanos in endgame was not the same one in infinity war. In fact there are four years difference between the two. Now we don't know exactly what happened to him in those four years but the snippets we got of him beforehand, Ultron, Guardians, was very muhaha-y. What might've changed him was killing Gamora and that he had for more years of sacrifice to fall back on.
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Post by Noxluxe on May 9, 2019 22:25:36 GMT
Yup, I was a bit disappointed in his characterization in Endgame. That he turned out to have thought his plan and mission and life's work through so poorly, and changed it so suddenly just because the heroes came up with a neat trick kind of cheapens his resolve and presence in Infinity War, and he was the best thing about that movie. I disagree.... actually I agree. *sigh*. I think that his new plan was a little disappointing because what was so awesome about Thanos was his ideological will and consistency that to see him go "meh I'll try this much more EVIL plan" was a bit of a let down. But on the other hand this is what he could have always been and the path that he was going to go down, I foresaw this as pretty much one of two options when predicting the movie... though not in the exact way it happened. Yes it might cheapen the character and might make it a negative but then thanos didn't get a lot of screen time. You also have to remember that: the thanos in endgame was not the same one in infinity war. In fact there are four years difference between the two. Now we don't know exactly what happened to him in those four years but the snippets we got of him beforehand, Ultron, Guardians, was very muhaha-y. What might've changed him was killing Gamora and that he had for more years of sacrifice to fall back on. That's an interesting way to think about it. That he may have had the basic idea for a long time, but only actually discovered the depth of that calm determination and strange compassion within himself at about the same time we do, when it's being tested against the forces of the universe converging on him. A process Thanos 2 didn't get the benefit of, since he cut to the quick and jump-started the final battle to get all the stones in one swoop. I think I heard in an interview that the shedding of his armor at the start of Infinity War symbolizes him taking the demeanor of a man on a holy quest rather than a conqueror, and I balked a bit at the notion because he seems far too hardened and experienced and collected to suffer from mood swings when he's finally nearing his goal. Your idea that the movie's plot is a test of his character as much as a showcase of it appeals to me though. I'll have to watch it again to see if it adds to or takes away from him.
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Post by colfoley on May 10, 2019 0:10:33 GMT
I disagree.... actually I agree. *sigh*. I think that his new plan was a little disappointing because what was so awesome about Thanos was his ideological will and consistency that to see him go "meh I'll try this much more EVIL plan" was a bit of a let down. But on the other hand this is what he could have always been and the path that he was going to go down, I foresaw this as pretty much one of two options when predicting the movie... though not in the exact way it happened. Yes it might cheapen the character and might make it a negative but then thanos didn't get a lot of screen time. You also have to remember that: the thanos in endgame was not the same one in infinity war. In fact there are four years difference between the two. Now we don't know exactly what happened to him in those four years but the snippets we got of him beforehand, Ultron, Guardians, was very muhaha-y. What might've changed him was killing Gamora and that he had for more years of sacrifice to fall back on. That's an interesting way to think about it. That he may have had the basic idea for a long time, but only actually discovered the depth of that calm determination and strange compassion within himself at about the same time we do, when it's being tested against the forces of the universe converging on him. A process Thanos 2 didn't get the benefit of, since he cut to the quick and jump-started the final battle to get all the stones in one swoop. I think I heard in an interview that the shedding of his armor at the start of Infinity War symbolizes him taking the demeanor of a man on a holy quest rather than a conqueror, and I balked a bit at the notion because he seems far too hardened and experienced and collected to suffer from mood swings when he's finally nearing his goal. Your idea that the movie's plot is a test of his character as much as a showcase of it appeals to me though. I'll have to watch it again to see if it adds to or takes away from him. huh. And I never heard that interview either but it does add context and credence to my..."theory". But either way that does seem to be a good way of going at it, he definitely acted more like a 'conqueror' in Endgame.
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Post by Hier0phant on May 10, 2019 2:38:06 GMT
So yeah?... www.forbes.com/sites/jvchamary/2019/05/07/avengers-endgame-biodiversity/#6e47a3e6775bWasn't it stated by Natasha that Thanos wiped out 50% of all living organisms, and not just humanoids? Using common sense that should do irreparable harm to countless ecosystems (microbes) and result in mass extinction events across the universe. Using Steve's mention about seeing a pod of whales in the harbor as a justification for Thanos' snap seem paradoxical if that species population took a hit like every other species if the snap was evenly distributed. Did the Russos clarify any of this? I always figured that to be a simplification. Half the grassplanes shown aren't bare earth, and everyone hasn't died from half the bacteria in their intestines disappearing all of a sudden, so Thanos' snap must have only affected sentient species or those past a certain point of evolution. Or followed whatever other criteria he decided to enable the survivors to prosper, since that was his entire goal. Something that confused me more about his plan was that it's still only a temporary solution. Halved or not, population growth will still be exponential. Any species that has reached the point where overpopulation becomes an unavoidable concern will do so again within a few centuries, only then he and the stones won't be around to fix it. And that's just the current crop of sentient species across the galaxies. The universe has been around and will continue to be for billions of years. That snap, even if it served exactly the purpose he wanted it to, wouldn't even have made a tiny dent in all the misery and suffering and death due to limited resources that there has been and will be. Not even a few centuries, humanity's population size alone doubled since 1970. I can't tell if this is the result of writer error or a confirmation that Thanos was actually the "Mad Titan". Mind you Thanos had the resources to reverse engineer Pym Particles on the fly but didn't conduct any studies into how fast most sentient species populations will grow within a century after the snap. At this point comic book Thanos' plot to court Death makes far more sense than MCU Thanos' depopulation plan after the latter prematurely destroyed the Infinity stones.
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Post by Sifr on May 10, 2019 8:02:47 GMT
Wasn't it stated by Natasha that Thanos wiped out 50% of all living organisms, and not just humanoids? Meaning that synthetic beings or intelligences would not have been affected at all by the Snap.
Since he knew about the Stones, did Ultron know on some level what was going to happen?
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Post by colfoley on May 10, 2019 8:32:34 GMT
Bit of a plug but it seems that a bunch of youtubers...that they will tell you about...is taking their favorite marvel scenes and anyalizing the crap out of them. Already seen some good stuff:
I'd skip the one by 'Just Write' I know of him don't like him, yet started watching it anyways. *shudders*
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Post by Vortex13 on May 10, 2019 13:44:42 GMT
Even Infinity War Thanos didn't make any sense with his goal because all he was doing was delaying the inevitable, not "Bringing Balance to the Universe". Wiping out half of the population doesn't do anything to deal with finite resources; well as finite as an entire universe can supply anyways.
The second law of thermodynamics is still a thing in the post-snap world. Proton decay is still possibly a thing. The impending approach of the end of the age of starlight (granted in several billion, billion years) the onset of the degenerate era, the age of black holes, and then even their eventual evaporation is still a forgone conclusion.
If he truly was all about saving life then he should have done something to perpetuate the resources of the universe, to ensure it's continued existence in the extremely far future. And its not like altering the basic fundamental rules of physics was something out of his reach either. Endgame Thanos was planning on destroying the entire universe before creating a new one from scratch; making our current one have infinite resources would have been a snap for him.
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Post by Hier0phant on May 10, 2019 18:47:06 GMT
Wasn't it stated by Natasha that Thanos wiped out 50% of all living organisms, and not just humanoids? Meaning that synthetic beings or intelligences would not have been affected at all by the Snap.
Since he knew about the Stones, did Ultron know on some level what was going to happen? Your question highlights my biggest issue with Ultron. Wasted story/plot potential. In AoU Ultron was just being your typical robo supremacist, but if he knew about the stones' potential he'd hunt them down asap with the intent to make Robots starring Robin Williams a reality.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 10, 2019 18:47:24 GMT
Even Infinity War Thanos didn't make any sense with his goal because all he was doing was delaying the inevitable, not "Bringing Balance to the Universe". Wiping out half of the population doesn't do anything to deal with finite resources; well as finite as an entire universe can supply anyways. The second law of thermodynamics is still a thing in the post-snap world. Proton decay is still possibly a thing. The impending approach of the end of the age of starlight (granted in several billion, billion years) the onset of the degenerate era, the age of black holes, and then even their eventual evaporation is still a forgone conclusion. If he truly was all about saving life then he should have done something to perpetuate the resources of the universe, to ensure it's continued existence in the extremely far future. And its not like altering the basic fundamental rules of physics was something out of his reach either. Endgame Thanos was planning on destroying the entire universe before creating a new one from scratch; making our current one have infinite resources would have been a snap for him.
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Post by Iakus on May 10, 2019 19:00:00 GMT
Meaning that synthetic beings or intelligences would not have been affected at all by the Snap.
Since he knew about the Stones, did Ultron know on some level what was going to happen? Your question highlights my biggest issue with Ultron. Wasted story/plot potential. In AoU Ultron was just being your typical robo supremacist, but if he knew about the stones' potential he'd hunt them down asap with the intent to make Robots starring Robin Williams a reality. <iframe width="30.40000000000009" height="5.460000000000008" style="position: absolute; width: 30.40000000000009px; height: 5.460000000000008px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_22603591" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="30.40000000000009" height="5.460000000000008" style="position: absolute; width: 30.4px; height: 5.46px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1436px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_44736402" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="30.40000000000009" height="5.460000000000008" style="position: absolute; width: 30.4px; height: 5.46px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 212px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_65995644" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="30.40000000000009" height="5.460000000000008" style="position: absolute; width: 30.4px; height: 5.46px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1436px; top: 212px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_39437469" scrolling="no"></iframe> Nick Fury agrees:
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Post by colfoley on May 10, 2019 20:03:45 GMT
Meaning that synthetic beings or intelligences would not have been affected at all by the Snap.
Since he knew about the Stones, did Ultron know on some level what was going to happen? Your question highlights my biggest issue with Ultron. Wasted story/plot potential. In AoU Ultron was just being your typical robo supremacist, but if he knew about the stones' potential he'd hunt them down asap with the intent to make Robots starring Robin Williams a reality. so instead of being just a robot supremacist you want him to be a funny one?
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Post by Hier0phant on May 10, 2019 21:29:54 GMT
Your question highlights my biggest issue with Ultron. Wasted story/plot potential. In AoU Ultron was just being your typical robo supremacist, but if he knew about the stones' potential he'd hunt them down asap with the intent to make Robots starring Robin Williams a reality. so instead of being just a robot supremacist you want him to be a funny one? MCU Ultron aka Quiptron was basically evil Tony. Whedon transformed Ultron from a menacing killing machine who makes Reed Richards begrudgingly admire his capabilities into a poor man's Family Guy's knock off of Bender. Fuck that movie and more importantly tell your boys... the Red Sox to clean their necks .The Yankees are coming to collect this year.
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Post by colfoley on May 10, 2019 21:57:36 GMT
so instead of being just a robot supremacist you want him to be a funny one? MCU Ultron aka Quiptron was basically evil Tony. Whedon transformed Ultron from a menacing killing machine who makes Reed Richards begrudgingly admire his capabilities into a poor man's Family Guy's knock off of Bender. Fuck that movie and more importantly tell your boys... the Red Sox to clean their necks .The Yankees are coming to collect this year. *shrugs* Ultron may not have been the best movie but you can't blame them for trying to make him a doppelganger for Tony given the rest of the MCU. Hell I think it's pretty unfair to characterize the MCU as adaptions of the comics at this point.
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Post by Hier0phant on May 10, 2019 22:37:28 GMT
MCU Ultron aka Quiptron was basically evil Tony. Whedon transformed Ultron from a menacing killing machine who makes Reed Richards begrudgingly admire his capabilities into a poor man's Family Guy's knock off of Bender. Fuck that movie and more importantly tell your boys... the Red Sox to clean their necks .The Yankees are coming to collect this year. *shrugs* Ultron may not have been the best movie but you can't blame them for trying to make him a doppelganger for Tony given the rest of the MCU. Hell I think it's pretty unfair to characterize the MCU as adaptions of the comics at this point. Ultron's Flanderization stands out amongst all the MCU villians because unlike the others who bear some resemblance to their multitude of comic incarnations he was given a completely different personality. Might as well create an oc character like IM3's "lol i'm Mandarin but not 'The Mandarin' Mandarin". Vision was decent though.
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Post by Sifr on May 14, 2019 12:05:58 GMT
The best thing about this meme... even they forgot to bring Iron Fist.
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Post by HYR on May 17, 2019 3:24:46 GMT
*edit* just realized this is all spoiler material, so tagging it
key quote: "There was a sad moment where it was like, 'We've got this gross, disgusting body for Thor now.' And then they unveiled it and it's just kind of like everybody else's body here."
(*Drake voice*) You Used To Call Me On My SELF-OWN
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They say the best weapon is one you never have to fire. I respectfully disagree; I prefer... the weapon you only need to fire once.
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Post by colfoley on May 17, 2019 22:15:42 GMT
It is rather an interesting idea to me that going forward, based on interviews and the marketing for Far From Home that the next two faces of the MCU will probably be Captain Marvel, and Spiderman.
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Post by Iakus on May 18, 2019 0:01:36 GMT
It is rather an interesting idea to me that going forward, based on interviews and the marketing for Far From Home that the next two faces of the MCU will probably be Captain Marvel, and Spiderman. imo, I'd rather have seen War Machine and The Scarlet Witch.
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Post by colfoley on May 18, 2019 0:06:36 GMT
It is rather an interesting idea to me that going forward, based on interviews and the marketing for Far From Home that the next two faces of the MCU will probably be Captain Marvel, and Spiderman. imo, I'd rather have seen War Machine and The Scarlet Witch. Me too. I also think I would have seen Bucky-Cap rather then Falcon-Cap.
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