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Post by Sifr on Jul 17, 2019 20:30:10 GMT
Here's a question: how will they explain the existence of the X Men in the MCU? I'd imagine they could do something like they did with the Inhumans (on Agents of SHIELD, not the godawful Inhuman series).
In Agents of SHIELD, it was explained that Inhumans have always existed ever since the Kree created them thousands of years ago, but because there were so few of them and they kept themselves isolated, they went unnoticed. The only reason their existence became public was due to Terrigen crystals falling into the ocean and getting into the food chain, creating a ton of new Inhumans across the world.
You could have mutants treated in a similar fashion, that they've always existed but there have been so few of them that their existence has been undiscovered (or covered up) until this point.
Another fun idea would be to have the X-Men revealed to have existed during the 60s. However during an attack on the X-Mansion by the Brotherhood of Mutants, something happened (maybe a Mutant ability running amok) that suspended that entire location in time for decades. Alternately, have (Hydra-infiltrated) SHIELD be the ones actually responsible for freezing them in time to contain the "mutant threat", leading to friction and distrust between the X-Men and modern SHIELD.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 17, 2019 21:55:29 GMT
Here's another question (that I should have asked earlier): do you think that the X Men should have been placed earlier in the MCU? And if yes, where would you place it?
Personally, I would place it in Phase 2. That way, you could integrate it with the rest of the movies in that phase and do a big show off in the second Avengers movie.
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Post by Sifr on Jul 17, 2019 22:51:44 GMT
X-Men in Phase 2 would have worked because they wouldn't have needed to contrive an explanation that Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch got their powers from the Mind Stone, if they'd already established that mutants existed by Age of Ultron.
(Side note, Wanda could be used to retcon the X-Men into the current MCU by revealing that they used to exist and she depowered them or altered reality so no-one remembered they ever existed. A nod to her famous "No More Mutants!" line in the comics.)
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Post by Iakus on Jul 18, 2019 4:19:10 GMT
X-Men in Phase 2 would have worked because they wouldn't have needed to contrive an explanation that Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch got their powers from the Mind Stone, if they'd already established that mutants existed by Age of Ultron. (Side note, Wanda could be used to retcon the X-Men into the current MCU by revealing that they used to exist and she depowered them or altered reality so no-one remembered they ever existed. A nod to her famous "No More Mutants!" line in the comics.) Or that the Mind Stone activated the X gene in her and Piotr, thus making them the only successes in Von Strucker's experiments
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jul 18, 2019 17:16:09 GMT
X-Men in Phase 2 would have worked because they wouldn't have needed to contrive an explanation that Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch got their powers from the Mind Stone, if they'd already established that mutants existed by Age of Ultron. (Side note, Wanda could be used to retcon the X-Men into the current MCU by revealing that they used to exist and she depowered them or altered reality so no-one remembered they ever existed. A nod to her famous "No More Mutants!" line in the comics.) I think regardless of how the MCU would integrate the X-Men, one thing I personally feel they need to do is avoid repeating the Bryan Singer approach to the characters. As popular as they were back then, that was a different time when people viewed comic-book superhero movies differently, and now fans wish for a more accurate representation of the X-Men. So for me, that should mean: 1. Make Storm the leader she always was 2. Have the colorful costumes again 3. Make Rogue a badass 4. Ditch the whole human vs mutant plotline that's been done OVER and OVER again. Also I would respectfully ask that the first MCU X-Men project not feature Wolverine as the star yet, mainly because Hugh Jackman's run was so beloved and famous that audiences need a BIT more time before adjusting to a brand new Wolverine.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jul 18, 2019 18:02:34 GMT
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Post by Iakus on Jul 18, 2019 19:27:42 GMT
X-Men in Phase 2 would have worked because they wouldn't have needed to contrive an explanation that Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch got their powers from the Mind Stone, if they'd already established that mutants existed by Age of Ultron. (Side note, Wanda could be used to retcon the X-Men into the current MCU by revealing that they used to exist and she depowered them or altered reality so no-one remembered they ever existed. A nod to her famous "No More Mutants!" line in the comics.) I think regardless of how the MCU would integrate the X-Men, one thing I personally feel they need to do is avoid repeating the Bryan Singer approach to the characters. As popular as they were back then, that was a different time when people viewed comic-book superhero movies differently, and now fans wish for a more accurate representation of the X-Men. So for me, that should mean: 1. Make Storm the leader she always was 2. Have the colorful costumes again 3. Make Rogue a badass 4. Ditch the whole human vs mutant plotline that's been done OVER and OVER again. Also I would respectfully ask that the first MCU X-Men project not feature Wolverine as the star yet, mainly because Hugh Jackman's run was so beloved and famous that audiences need a BIT more time before adjusting to a brand new Wolverine. I think the first showing of MCU X-Men should be the original 5: Cyclops, Angel, Iceman, Beast, and Jean Grey (and Professor X, of course). With Havok and Polaris as supporting characters Second movie should be the 1970's incarnation of the X-Men going to rescue the originals from a version of Krakoa: Colossus, Storm, Wolverine, Banshee, Nightcrawler, Thunderbird, and Sunfire.
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Post by Sifr on Jul 18, 2019 20:40:10 GMT
I'd love to see a more comic-accurate Rogue... especially if she gets a power-up after absorbing some of Captain Marvel's powers. 4. Ditch the whole human vs mutant plotline that's been done OVER and OVER again. How about have them tackle Genosha in the MCU? Magneto wanting to establish a country to serve as a mutant safe-haven isn't really an "evil" plan or something that the X-Men would want to stop, while humanity's concerns are less rooted in racism towards mutants and more that Magneto's personality already paints him as a would-be dictator.
Also I would respectfully ask that the first MCU X-Men project not feature Wolverine as the star yet, mainly because Hugh Jackman's run was so beloved and famous that audiences need a BIT more time before adjusting to a brand new Wolverine. X-Men: First Class was great in that regard because they managed to do that entire film without having to rely on Wolverine being the main draw... only having him appear once during the recruitment montage in an hilarious cameo.
I'd tease the existence of Wolverine in the first film, maybe have the X-Men could discover a long abandoned Weapons-X facility with claw marks on the walls? Then have the mid-credits stinger cut to a group of men playing poker in a seedy dive bar, who draw their guns on one of the men after accusing him of cheating. The man puts out his cigar on the table, then proceeds to pop his claws.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 18, 2019 20:49:37 GMT
I'd love to see a more comic-accurate Rogue... especially if she gets a power-up after absorbing some of Captain Marvel's powers. 4. Ditch the whole human vs mutant plotline that's been done OVER and OVER again. How about have them tackle Genosha in the MCU? Magneto wanting to establish a country to serve as a mutant safe-haven isn't really an "evil" plan or something that the X-Men would want to stop, while humanity's concerns are less rooted in racism towards mutants and more that Magneto's personality already paints him as a would-be dictator.
Also I would respectfully ask that the first MCU X-Men project not feature Wolverine as the star yet, mainly because Hugh Jackman's run was so beloved and famous that audiences need a BIT more time before adjusting to a brand new Wolverine. X-Men: First Class was great in that regard because they managed to do that entire film without having to rely on Wolverine being the main draw... only having him appear once during the recruitment montage in an hilarious cameo.
I'd tease the existence of Wolverine in the first film, maybe have the X-Men could discover a long abandoned Weapons-X facility with claw marks on the walls? Then have the mid-credits stinger cut to a group of men playing poker in a seedy dive bar, who draw their guns on one of the men after accusing him of cheating. The man puts out his cigar on the table, then proceeds to pop his claws.
The interesting thing about Magneto is his cause is sympathetic and under different circumstances might be the hero, but he's also a cautionary tale about whether his ends justify the means. As for Wolverine. Maybe have Banner make a cameo and have him mention this short Canadian dude "the other guy" had a couple of run-ins with a few years back..
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Post by Sifr on Jul 18, 2019 21:08:44 GMT
I'd love to see a more comic-accurate Rogue... especially if she gets a power-up after absorbing some of Captain Marvel's powers. How about have them tackle Genosha in the MCU? Magneto wanting to establish a country to serve as a mutant safe-haven isn't really an "evil" plan or something that the X-Men would want to stop, while humanity's concerns are less rooted in racism towards mutants and more that Magneto's personality already paints him as a would-be dictator.
X-Men: First Class was great in that regard because they managed to do that entire film without having to rely on Wolverine being the main draw... only having him appear once during the recruitment montage in an hilarious cameo.
I'd tease the existence of Wolverine in the first film, maybe have the X-Men could discover a long abandoned Weapons-X facility with claw marks on the walls? Then have the mid-credits stinger cut to a group of men playing poker in a seedy dive bar, who draw their guns on one of the men after accusing him of cheating. The man puts out his cigar on the table, then proceeds to pop his claws.
The interesting thing about Magneto is his cause is sympathetic and under different circumstances might be the hero, but he's also a cautionary tale about whether his ends justify the means. As for Wolverine. Maybe have Banner make a cameo and have him mention this short Canadian dude "the other guy" had a couple of run-ins with a few years back.. If Magneto ran Genosha in the MCU, you could have him play with being a villain with good publicity. Most of the world does view him as the dictator he is, but that hasn't stopped him from acquiring many admirers and supporters across the world (mutant and human alike) that have bought into his cult of personality and demagoguery. You could even throw in a reference to one of his key allies being Latveria, setting up that Doom already exists in the MCU.
I like the idea of having Banner being the lead-in for him to be in the MCU, wasn't Wolverine's first appearance in the comics as a Hulk "villain"?
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Post by Iakus on Jul 18, 2019 21:27:38 GMT
I like the idea of having Banner being the lead-in for him to be in the MCU, wasn't Wolverine's first appearance in the comics as a Hulk "villain"?
Yup:
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jul 18, 2019 23:05:34 GMT
4. Ditch the whole human vs mutant plotline that's been done OVER and OVER again. How about have them tackle Genosha in the MCU? Magneto wanting to establish a country to serve as a mutant safe-haven isn't really an "evil" plan or something that the X-Men would want to stop, while humanity's concerns are less rooted in racism towards mutants and more that Magneto's personality already paints him as a would-be dictator. I was thinking less about Magneto as a villain and more about how the films almost always are about humans distrusting mutants and the heroes having to stop some kind of threat to humans. I personally would like to see an X-Men film more inspired by the Grant Morrison interpretation, where the mutants become a minority people try to emulate (similar to how whites often steal elements from black culture). Then again, with today's whole political turmoil regarding minorities vs conservative whites, I think a film about the human vs mutant plotline would still be needed.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 19, 2019 0:53:52 GMT
4. Ditch the whole human vs mutant plotline that's been done OVER and OVER again. How about have them tackle Genosha in the MCU? Magneto wanting to establish a country to serve as a mutant safe-haven isn't really an "evil" plan or something that the X-Men would want to stop, while humanity's concerns are less rooted in racism towards mutants and more that Magneto's personality already paints him as a would-be dictator. I was thinking less about Magneto as a villain and more about how the films almost always are about humans distrusting mutants and the heroes having to stop some kind of threat to humans. I personally would like to see an X-Men film more inspired by the Grant Morrison interpretation, where the mutants become a minority people try to emulate (similar to how whites often steal elements from black culture). Then again, with today's whole political turmoil regarding minorities vs conservative whites, I think a film about the human vs mutant plotline would still be needed. One would think that in a world of guys in power armor, hammer-wielding gods, kids dressed as red and blue spiders, and literal wizards, mutants wouldn't be considered a big deal.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jul 19, 2019 2:00:32 GMT
I was thinking less about Magneto as a villain and more about how the films almost always are about humans distrusting mutants and the heroes having to stop some kind of threat to humans. I personally would like to see an X-Men film more inspired by the Grant Morrison interpretation, where the mutants become a minority people try to emulate (similar to how whites often steal elements from black culture). Then again, with today's whole political turmoil regarding minorities vs conservative whites, I think a film about the human vs mutant plotline would still be needed. One would think that in a world of guys in power armor, hammer-wielding gods, kids dressed as red and blue spiders, and literal wizards, mutants wouldn't be considered a big deal. I guess that's the other big concern. How can a world that already knows and worships heroes like Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America be afraid or distasteful to mutants? That's one of the reasons I think adapting the Grant Morrison arc would be a good idea because Mutants are not only an established minority, they're also not treated as complete monsters by humans.
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Post by Sifr on Jul 19, 2019 9:49:30 GMT
One would think that in a world of guys in power armor, hammer-wielding gods, kids dressed as red and blue spiders, and literal wizards, mutants wouldn't be considered a big deal. I guess that's the other big concern. How can a world that already knows and worships heroes like Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America be afraid or distasteful to mutants? That's one of the reasons I think adapting the Grant Morrison arc would be a good idea because Mutants are not only an established minority, they're also not treated as complete monsters by humans. There's always existed a double-standard even the comics. The public loves Mutates like Spiderman, Captain America and the Fantastic Four, but hates Mutants like the X-Men. Because getting powers (accidentally or deliberately) from science experiments somehow makes you acceptable, whereas being born with powers makes you a crime against nature?
Maybe that Turian dude in ME2 was right, you humans are all racist.
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Post by House Targaryen on Jul 19, 2019 15:35:11 GMT
I just want the new X-Men to follow true on some of the big stories from the comics and not make Magneto the default villain in every damn movie, only to go back to the side of good in the end. As i said elsewhere, the MCU needs to follow an outline like they did with the MCU movies where all of the events lead to Infinity War. All movie events of the X-Men will lead to the Phoenix Saga.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 19, 2019 16:03:13 GMT
I just want the new X-Men to follow true on some of the big stories from the comics and not make Magneto the default villain in every damn movie, only to go back to the side of good in the end. As i said elsewhere, the MCU needs to follow an outline like they did with the MCU movies where all of the events lead to Infinity War. All movie events of the X-Men will lead to the Phoenix Saga. Eh, Dark Phoenix has been done a couple of times now. I'd like to see some other story adapted. Like X-Tinction Agenda, Age of Apocalypse, Or Joss Whedon's run of Astonishing X-Men. Maybe have it lead up to a House of M storyline.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jul 19, 2019 19:55:52 GMT
Maybe have it lead up to a House of M storyline As the storyline that officially got me into Marvel Comics...YES! In fact, I can see a set-up where maybe after experiencing the death of both her brother and the love of her life, Scarlet Witch may decide to put herself in self-isolation and then something happens causing her to go crazy and make a House of M style universe.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 20, 2019 0:12:52 GMT
On that note...you think they'll recast Wolverine.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jul 20, 2019 0:19:15 GMT
On that note...you think they'll recast Wolverine. Almost definitely, considering Logan was meant to be Hugh Jackman officially retiring from the role. As for who should take his place? That's a tricky one. I've heard fun suggestions like Sha Rukh Khan, but I can't think of a personal actor choice for this character. I'm just going to wait and see.
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Post by biggydx on Jul 20, 2019 20:52:30 GMT
I wonder how Sam will handle taking over as Captain Falcon (if he's to return)? Could him and Bucky become a good cop/bad cop duo, or will they largely part ways and one shows up when the other is needed; in times of emergency?
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Post by biggydx on Jul 21, 2019 3:55:08 GMT
Looks like my question has been answered. Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
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