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Post by Element Zero on May 17, 2018 15:03:11 GMT
I'm pretty sure I always liked going Scout 5/Sentinel 15 for the most well rounded character. It's gives a good number of Feats, Skills, Force Talents and FP.
I actually transferred Reaper511's KotOR Guide to this forum before the oBSN closed. It was an artifact worth preserving, in my mind. It's one of the oldest threads in this section. Even if I deviate from it here and there, it does promote some solid character ideas.
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Post by Phantom on May 18, 2018 15:17:26 GMT
Sneak attack can be combo with Stealth, Stasis and Horror, Force Jump.
Horror Force Tree stuns the enemies thru the Will Saves. Stasis will stun/freeze thru fortitude save. Due to your enemy is unable to attack, Sneak attack will be applied.
Due to Force jump, your enemy will be surprised thus Sneak attack will be applied. Also Stealth+Sneak Attack will be used if you flank your enemies.
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Post by michaeln7 on Jun 1, 2018 21:03:17 GMT
I'm in the "Scout/Sentinel" boat. Revan is canonically male, for whatever that's worth to you. It's a bit weak early on, but you get enough feats and force powers for combat, and an abundance of skills to handle anything else. Your health and force meters are above-average, which in my opinion is superior to having an exceptional level of one at the expense of mediocrity in the other.
As for attributes, on character creation I go for what I call the "14/12 spread". 14 in Strength, Constitution, and Wisdom, 12 in Dexterity, Intelligence, and Charisma. In my mind, spending 2 points to go from 14 to 15 is a waste. Since the Scout class gets the Implant feats for free at appropriate levels, which can offset or completely negate any perceived attribute deficiencies, I don't feel like I've spread myself thin.
Force Heal, Master Speed, Dominate Mind, and Force Maelstrom are all I really need, anything else is extra.
A Sentinel gets immunity to the most debilitating conditions; a level 12 Sentinel can shrug off the worst aspects of just about everything in the game. The best feats are granted for free at Jedi levels, and they all "max out" at level 12 or earlier, so an easy build that grants you everything you need, an 8/12 Scout/Sentinel is an excellent way to go. I'm fairly certain that a Scout/Sentinel gets 10 feats by the time they reach level 20, and that the highest level you can be before becoming a Jedi is 8.
Toughness (3 ranks), Dueling (3 ranks), Master Flurry (3 ranks), and Weapon Focus: Lightsaber... you're covered for combat situations.
WHY do I mention all of that? Revan, as has been stated before, is a polymath. He fights, he talks, he learns, he understands. The build I mentioned above (I haven't even talked about skills yet) is one that I have found can most reliably solo the game the most often. It's not perfect, and I can't do EVERYTHING myself, but Revan didn't work alone. He recruited, he trained, he inspired people to follow him.
Sure, maybe a Consular would have more Force power, and maybe a Guardian would have every lightsaber technique at their disposal, but against a Sentinel... You never fight a Sentinel alone, and even then, no matter what you have, a Sentinel will have a counter for it, or can unleash a different tactic that you can't handle.
In a strange way, Revan is like a Star Wars version of Superman and Batman; mythic power and "10 steps ahead" thinking all-in-one.
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Post by talyn82 on Jun 3, 2018 23:57:14 GMT
I always thought of Revan as a Soldier/Consular, cause he was a great fighter and strong in the Force.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jul 1, 2018 15:54:06 GMT
In my headcanon, Revan is first and foremost some sort of savant; incredibly subtle with an amazing understanding of human nature, charismatic and able to communicate with almost anything... He is the scholar-warrior.
I min-max with a Scout-Consular generally, canon male. Scout for more skills and best saving throws. Consular because power - power based Revan is roflstomp on any difficulty.
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Post by Quickpaw on Jul 6, 2018 0:46:05 GMT
Quick note: Your weapon proficiencies are linked to the feats you take and not your class, unlike in ToR. Even a Consular can get mileage out of a double-bladed lightsaber if specked correctly. It's just more difficult since Consulars get the least feats while leveling vs a Guardian who gets the most. Me, I use mods. I'm a bit scummy.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jul 6, 2018 14:10:10 GMT
^^^ Yeah. I haven't played a Consular who couldn't Force Jump in a long time.
KSE ftw!
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Post by Phantom on Feb 25, 2019 20:16:54 GMT
Outside of Kotor 1 Class set up, there are many Jedi Specializations ranging from Jedi Battlemasters to Jedi Shadows to Jedi Watchman to Jedi Sages.
In Kotor 1 and Events leading up to Kotor 1, Revan would fit the Jedi Shadow. Jedi Shadow serves 2 function within the Jedi Order: 1) they are information gatherers on threats to the Jedi 2) they hunt Dark Siders of all stripes. Lore Wise: Jedi Shadow is a Jedi Sentinel Specialization.
Revan via Kotor comic operated alone mostly and gather information about the Mandalorian during the Mandalorian wars before he made his infamous stand. Also Revan did strive to uncover why Mandalorian were fighting the Republic and fought out it was the Sith. And we know what happen there. Revan via Star wars Kotor Campaign Guide was the founder of the Sith Assassins during the Kotor era. Sion and Nihilus were the Leaders after Revan for the Sith Assassins. Sith Assassins did hunt force users and important figures.
After he was captured by the Jedi, he was eventually re-trained as a Jedi under Jedi Council and was assigned to fight the source of the New Sith Fleet under Darth Malak. More often than not, Jedi Shadows are answerable to a Jedi Council like Dantioone Jedi Council or the First Council of Knowledge. Jedi Shadows will ally with other useful people regardless of their personal morality. So I do see Revan as a functional Jedi Shadow within his personal arch.
Right now, I am going to a playthru of a Yavin 4 mod to get further ideas for my mod idea.
If I was going to make a Jedi Shadow into Revan's canon Jedi Class while striving to respecting player choice.
Unique Jedi Feats Will be avaible.
So Lightsaber Specialization, Full Force Jump tree, Full Force Immunity Tree and Full Force Focus Tree will be avaible for Jedi Shadow class.
Auto Feats: Uncanny Dodge 1 and 2 Full Sneak Attack 1 to 10
All Weapons specializations will be avaible too.
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Post by x19dude95 on Sept 30, 2019 12:04:37 GMT
Scout for all the Tech abilities.
Guardian for his Jedi abilities
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Post by Noxluxe on Nov 2, 2019 23:37:25 GMT
Scout/Consular makes the most sense, in my opinion.
Scout because it really doesn't make sense to me for the Jedi Council to program him as anything else.
Why in the world would they make him a criminal? That's a terrible idea for all sorts of reasons, aside from the fact that it's a pretty horrible thing to do. A character like that would need lots of connections to very specific and currently active underground operatives to function believably, he can't just appear out of nowhere without knowing anyone. And why exactly would the Republic army need him around, again?
And making him a soldier would not just foster and promote inadvisable aggressive tendencies in him - which, remember is what started the whole mess in the first place, it would also actually endanger him by potentially putting him on the front-lines without either his jedi training or actual infantry experience to lean on.
Meanwhile, Scout is perfect. Revan is implied to be from one of the Outer Rim planets, knows a ridiculous number of languages and experienced plenty of travel in his previous life. Keep his origin and convince him he grew up on the outskirts of the galaxy working as a middle-man and translator, and an explorer with adequate martial training to defend himself. Someone the Republic really might hire to help their forces navigate the war in the Outer Rim.
That sort of profession would also be more likely to skew him towards honest communication, empathy and compassion, things the Jedi Council would no doubt prefer to focus his mind on to keep him from backsliding. And you get all the tech skills, supporting Revan's canonical technological know-how.
And Consular because while Revan is no doubt portrayed as an excellent swordsman, plenty of Consulars are also excellent fighters and there's far more emphasis put on his god-like force powers, charisma and cunning. I see him as a superpowered Qui-Gon Jinn more than as an Anakin Skywalker clone.
In my mind, Revan was the charismatic and intuitive figurehead and force powerhouse of the pushback against the Mandalorians, Malak the passionate and staunch defender who ploughed through enemies and held any ground he stood, and Meetra Surik/The Exile the less powerful but perhaps more grounded and disciplined duelist and strategist who coordinated troops with surgical precision and iron will.
And yeah, I usually play Revan as female too, but these days I prefer my playthroughs to be consistent with the storylines in SWTOR.
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Post by Phantom on Nov 12, 2019 21:45:37 GMT
Keep in mind that Jedi Council has internal logic for each class
Soldier: Excellent Fighters and plays to Revan's combat talents; many soldiers can make for Excellent Jedi Guardians and Jedi Guardian(a Proper Jedi Guardian build) can hold their own against Dark Jedi and Sith alike.
Scout: Information Gatherers; Finding information on the Sith and their allies would make sense for Revan due to Revan gather information before hand during Mandalorian Wars and sees how the Jedi could help. Many Scouts can be good Jedi Sentinels
Scoundrel: Known for their quick wits and cunning; they can adapt to most situations you can drop them in. Also Scoundrel are known fast talkers and thus good assets for Jedi Consular for Jedi Consulars are known diplomats and being a successful fast talker and quick witted would go far.
Theme Oriented: Jedi Shadow can fit into Kotor 1 and 2 a great deal. given their respective stories. Jedi Shadow's duties does include gathering information about the Current threats to Galaxy and Jedi Order, Infiltrate Dark Cults and take them down, Taking Crime Lords down and are answerable to Council and yes many Jedi Shadows do personally work for Council of First Knowledge and finding and recovering Dark Side Objects(thinks Sith Holocrons and other Sith related objects). Revan and Jedi Exile un officially are Jedi Shadows. Also many Jedi Shadows are capable of stealth as well.
Joinable Npcs that can be justify to be Jedi Shadows under Revan and Jedi Exile. Mical the Disciple when you meet him in Kotor 2 stealthy entered the Jedi Enclave. Mical is a Soldier/Consular that functions like a Spy(Many Jedi Shadows can be spies) and Juhani is known for her mastery of Force Stealth and working with her Force Stealth with a good build can quickly take down dangerous enemies like Proper Jedi Shadow should do.
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Post by Noxluxe on Dec 1, 2019 10:24:47 GMT
Keep in mind that Jedi Council has internal logic for each class Soldier: Excellent Fighters and plays to Revan's combat talents; many soldiers can make for Excellent Jedi Guardians and Jedi Guardian(a Proper Jedi Guardian build) can hold their own against Dark Jedi and Sith alike. Scout: Information Gatherers; Finding information on the Sith and their allies would make sense for Revan due to Revan gather information before hand during Mandalorian Wars and sees how the Jedi could help. Many Scouts can be good Jedi Sentinels Scoundrel: Known for their quick wits and cunning; they can adapt to most situations you can drop them in. Also Scoundrel are known fast talkers and thus good assets for Jedi Consular for Jedi Consulars are known diplomats and being a successful fast talker and quick witted would go far. I don't think so. We have no reason to think that the Jedi Council had any intention of "using" the reprogrammed Revan against the Sith until s/he showed up with Bastila sporting a force bond and unique insight into the Star Maps. I've always been under the impression that they just slotted them into Bastila's command structure to keep them close just in case. They definitely didn't reprogram Revan with the intention of making them a Jedi again later. And even then, the image of a scoundrel you posit is specifically the opposite of the kind of diplomacy Jedi go in for, using subterfuge and confusion instead of honesty and clear communication. And Jedi and soldiers are supposed to be antitheses of each other. Taking the wounded Darth Revan and giving him an identity centered around fighting and battle is precisely reinforcing the tendencies the Council disapproved of in him/her and the ones that started the whole Jedi Civil War in the first place, so far as they know. I can see what you're trying to do, but this logic doesn't make sense from the Jedi Council's perspective.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2024 15:47:32 GMT
Female Scoundrel Jedi Guardian with a single lightsaber is my favorite Revan
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Post by dagless on Jun 27, 2024 1:31:17 GMT
This might be a very old topic about a even older game, but if it were up to me, I’d put this whole thread through the virtual shredder. Just saying.
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