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Post by SassaMFG on May 20, 2018 20:57:00 GMT
I read that stickies do not benefit from the stealth grid attack bonus. Weapons and melee do for one shot. Exactly. That one shot damage boost isn't that important IMO.
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Post by gnperdue on May 20, 2018 21:23:22 GMT
Stickies don’t benefit from Tactical Cloak either, do they? And besides, Stickies don’t break cloak when you toss them. It is the combination of stealth on demand plus stickies that do massive damage even w/o a cloak bonus *and* don’t break the cloak that makes the Avenger so insanely good - the best character for Solos in my opinion.
Now, I’m now saying it’s *wrong* to leave Stealth Grid at 1 point. Even at 1 point it’s insanely good. But I find it worth going into Stealth Grid most of the time for the damage boost and the capacity and duration boosts. I completely agree it is more important to spec into it on the Avenger than the Huntress (my Huntress is 6/4/4 in Throw/SG/Lance, and 6/1/6 sounds very cool and interesting). I also can see the argument for leaving SG at 1 and going into Avenger Strike on the Avenger - that’s a great ability. My play style tends to shy away from melees though, so I generally leave it at 1.
Actually, my favorite way to go into Avenger Strike doesn’t work in Platinum at all, but is fun as heck - leave Stickies at 1 and get Cloak and Dagger on Avenger Strike so kills get back power cells for the cloak. Then boost recharge speed and just fly all over the map shanking everything. It’s great fun. (Generally though, you want Disrupting Strike - it is also great and works much better on higher difficulties).
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Post by SassaMFG on May 20, 2018 22:15:18 GMT
Stickies don’t benefit from Tactical Cloak either, do they? They do. Powers also do. But you need to shot before they explode to get bonus damage; throw them, shot, benefit. I also leave stickies at 1 on all my infiltrators, except on the Avenger. 2x Incinerate and area ED are more suited for my play style.
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Post by RonnieBlastoff on May 21, 2018 0:17:19 GMT
In no situation, besides solo, is a stealth character greater than a debuff character. If a squad needs to stealth, don't play platinum, play gold. Not trying to sound "leet" or anything, stating facts. There has not been a single game where a stealth character has outperformed the full squad DPS debuff on bullet sponge enemies. Avenger is literally = or worse than human soldier when it comes to debuff/overall effectiveness. Also, as stated before, if you "need" a stealth character to "survive" your not playing the game for $$$, your playing to beat a difficulty, and more than likely turning the speed run into a regular pug run. Not arguing against people wanting to beat platinum, but if your still in the "potential to fail phase" playing platinum, just spam quick golds and get $$$ that way. If you can get a squad that happens to get reliable <15m platinum runs with a stealth character, more power to you, but been playing for a while and have yet to see any stealth outperform debuff. The only time stealth means anything is if your playing solo. Sorry stealthers... I don't like you...
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Post by binkypoomcsnuggles on May 21, 2018 19:21:15 GMT
I shamelessly farmed platinum for a solid couple months with organized teams on Discord.
That said you can easily earn close to 20 or so UR's per month without ever playing plat just by just:
* doing dailies, strike teams (best to use the app on a smartphone), and apex missions. You can earn 135 MF per day if you religiously do everything but 100/day is reasonable to account for missing some objectives here and there and skipping plat apex missions. So that's 3000 mf/month = 3 ur guns/month.
* average 150k/day credits (3 gold matches is usually enough to complete dailies + gold apex) that's 6m credits per month = 60 arsenal packs = ~15 urs.
* plus the new monthly apex elite pack (though you will get character drops unless your UR characters are all at XX) = 1.5 urs/month
That's 19.5 ur's/month average, roughly 75% of which would be guns. You'd probably be hitting X on all guns after maybe 1 year starting from literally 0 UR's, and if you play more it will be faster due to the increased credits per day = more arsenal packs per month.
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Post by monk on May 21, 2018 20:26:19 GMT
Lets also not forget. With the new change to Monthly Apex Celebration Missions now, you can also add a +1 (minimum) Free UR per month, and more if you save up for it as well. That'll help narrow it all down much more quickly.
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Post by gnperdue on May 21, 2018 21:10:24 GMT
FWIW, I’m not sure buying Apex Elites is a good strategy. I have limited statistics, so I’m not sure, but I generally find one UR per Apex Elite, with two being quite rare. At 600k per pack, that is very expensive. The theoretical cost is much closer to 400k per UR given a 25% drop rate from regular Premium-type packs.
Now, if you are going to spend Apex points (the currency you have to pay real money for), Apex Elites are a great deal. They’re a bit over 3x as expensive as a Premium pack (in Apex points) as opposed to 6x more expensive in credits. If you’re paying real money, definitely wait for Apex Elite packs.
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Post by binkypoomcsnuggles on May 21, 2018 21:51:00 GMT
In no situation, besides solo, is a stealth character greater than a debuff character. If a squad needs to stealth, don't play platinum, play gold. Not trying to sound "leet" or anything, stating facts. There has not been a single game where a stealth character has outperformed the full squad DPS debuff on bullet sponge enemies. Avenger is literally = or worse than human soldier when it comes to debuff/overall effectiveness. Also, as stated before, if you "need" a stealth character to "survive" your not playing the game for $$$, your playing to beat a difficulty, and more than likely turning the speed run into a regular pug run. Not arguing against people wanting to beat platinum, but if your still in the "potential to fail phase" playing platinum, just spam quick golds and get $$$ that way. If you can get a squad that happens to get reliable <15m platinum runs with a stealth character, more power to you, but been playing for a while and have yet to see any stealth outperform debuff. The only time stealth means anything is if your playing solo. Sorry stealthers... I don't like you... I agree, though there's always room for any character stealth or otherwise so long as all the major debuff roles are filled. Really snap freeze + invasion are the 2 heaviest hitting debuffs, past that additional debuffs are fine if there's synergy with those 2 but there's diminishing returns. But yeah definitely agree that debuffs are king in plat and without them it's a lot harder than it has to be. Also I think the problem with stealth in plat is more when players that are not ready for plat use constant stealth as a crutch. A good player won't really use stealth in plat outside of objective waves, revives, and other important situations.
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Post by RonnieBlastoff on May 22, 2018 0:02:24 GMT
In no situation, besides solo, is a stealth character greater than a debuff character. If a squad needs to stealth, don't play platinum, play gold. Not trying to sound "leet" or anything, stating facts. There has not been a single game where a stealth character has outperformed the full squad DPS debuff on bullet sponge enemies. Avenger is literally = or worse than human soldier when it comes to debuff/overall effectiveness. Also, as stated before, if you "need" a stealth character to "survive" your not playing the game for $$$, your playing to beat a difficulty, and more than likely turning the speed run into a regular pug run. Not arguing against people wanting to beat platinum, but if your still in the "potential to fail phase" playing platinum, just spam quick golds and get $$$ that way. If you can get a squad that happens to get reliable <15m platinum runs with a stealth character, more power to you, but been playing for a while and have yet to see any stealth outperform debuff. The only time stealth means anything is if your playing solo. Sorry stealthers... I don't like you... I agree, though there's always room for any character stealth or otherwise so long as all the major debuff roles are filled. Really snap freeze + invasion are the 2 heaviest hitting debuffs, past that additional debuffs are fine if there's synergy with those 2 but there's diminishing returns. But yeah definitely agree that debuffs are king in plat and without them it's a lot harder than it has to be. Also I think the problem with stealth in plat is more when players that are not ready for plat use constant stealth as a crutch. A good player won't really use stealth in plat outside of objective waves, revives, and other important situations. Sustained Fire 2-24% Annialition Field 5A? 20% Exposure 20% Warp 20% Vs Armor Shatter Armor 25%? Vs armor
Then there are also the overlooked team support abilities like Energy Drain Flamethrower (50% damage reduction...much overlooked) Active Barrier Retalitaliation?
None of these abilities are priority stealth player abilities. Besides Sust. Fire on HumInfs, But I'd still rather have a HumSol for AoE damage/detonations. Or THavoc stun/AoE damage.
Not totally disagreeing with you, but a "good" platinum player won't really use stealth at all. Defeating the purpose of using a stealth character, making way for a nitch debuff/buff/support spot to fill in. Shit fuck Avenger/Huntress, I'd rather have a Turian Agent setting everything up for explosions and debuffing/protecting teamates all in same go.
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Post by SassaMFG on May 22, 2018 3:20:47 GMT
Huntress have great AoE stun and good damage output. Slap Disruptor Ammo on PAW, max out Throw and Lance and destroy everything. Use SG only to revive and for pizzas/devices. Avenger have poor damage output, even with nades spam. Also wasting time to run to ammo boxes. I use her only on Hand to Hand missions. Infitrators have great damage bonus when decloaking, so you only need to cloak for a second. One burst from Shorty and 2x Incinerate (if you fire it close enough, both projectiles hit same target) can kill Berserker on platinum. Flamethrower and Flak Cannon are better with armor damage bonus than damage debuff and stun for platinum IMO. Better suites my play style.
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Post by fataldeviation on May 22, 2018 9:44:17 GMT
Then there are also the overlooked team support abilities like Energy Drain Flamethrower (50% damage reduction...much overlooked) Active Barrier Retalitaliation?
None of these abilities are priority stealth player abilities. Besides Sust. Fire on HumInfs, But I'd still rather have a HumSol for AoE damage/detonations. Or THavoc stun/AoE damage.
Not totally disagreeing with you, but a "good" platinum player won't really use stealth at all. Defeating the purpose of using a stealth character, making way for a nitch debuff/buff/support spot to fill in. Shit fuck Avenger/Huntress, I'd rather have a Turian Agent setting everything up for explosions and debuffing/protecting teamates all in same go.
I have my Turian Agent specced for Flamethrower 6B and Support Systems 6B, giving 80% damage debuff. I can set a Platinum Hydra on fire, it can shoot me in the face with a missile barrage and it will barely even take off all my shields. The Flamethrower is also great for massacring groups of redbars and disabling Saboteurs and Agents with the fire dance. Combat Cloak and a good shotgun will also rip most enemies apart easily. The Agent is a great team player but I haven't used him that much recently as the lobbies I play with use Snap Freeze a lot more, so easier to bring a different class rather then risk Snap Freeze and the Flamethrower overwriting each other's effects.
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Post by melenvision on May 22, 2018 13:05:53 GMT
I pug almost every time and bringing a stealth character can be the difference between successfully extracting and failing on mission 2 in Plat. Unless I've played a Gold/Plat match and I know I've got a good team, only then I am confident enough to bring a debuffer.
BTW, I respecced my Huntress with 1 SG and BOY did it make a difference!
But I think from now on, I'm just going to play for fun/improving my skills, with less focus on collecting.
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Post by SassaMFG on May 22, 2018 16:06:51 GMT
I'm just going to play for fun/improving my skills, with less focus on collecting. Exactly. Have fun and collect weapons/characters on the way. I never liked platinum farming, earned most of credits on relaxing gold games with pugs and played platinum with friends only.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on May 22, 2018 17:30:55 GMT
I pug almost every time and bringing a stealth character can be the difference between successfully extracting and failing on mission 2 in Plat. Unless I've played a Gold/Plat match and I know I've got a good team, only then I am confident enough to bring a debuffer. BTW, I respecced my Huntress with 1 SG and BOY did it make a difference!But I think from now on, I'm just going to play for fun/improving my skills, with less focus on collecting. Yes. She's just awesome as SassaMFG said! Observer gets downed with disruptor+paw = shields off, 2 mm off from the red bad, lance -> KABOOM. Next observer, same but throw. Lance has now recharged, repeat. Run along with Juggernaut or Commando, or just about anyone who can also prime and double throw around.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on May 22, 2018 17:31:34 GMT
I'm just going to play for fun/improving my skills, with less focus on collecting. Exactly. Have fun and collect weapons/characters on the way. I never liked platinum farming, earned most of credits on relaxing gold games with pugs and played platinum with friends only. THIS. SO MUCH THIS.
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Post by SassaMFG on May 22, 2018 17:45:02 GMT
I pug almost every time and bringing a stealth character can be the difference between successfully extracting and failing on mission 2 in Plat. Unless I've played a Gold/Plat match and I know I've got a good team, only then I am confident enough to bring a debuffer. BTW, I respecced my Huntress with 1 SG and BOY did it make a difference!But I think from now on, I'm just going to play for fun/improving my skills, with less focus on collecting. Yes. She's just awesome as SassaMFG said! Observer gets downed with disruptor+paw = shields off, 2 mm off from the red bad, lance -> KABOOM. Next observer, same but throw. Lance has now recharged, repeat. Run along with Juggernaut or Commando, or just about anyone who can also prime and double throw around. I prefer combo damage and radius evo over double throw, because that applies to all combos, not just biotic, also take duration evo to prime I; it will make bigger electricity AoE and stun/strip shields to more enemies. Example Group of Anoiteds; prime one, Throw, will lift it and tech combo will almost strip shields from others, Lance the floating one and biotic combo will leave others with less than a half health, then just finish them off.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on May 22, 2018 19:03:38 GMT
Yes. She's just awesome as SassaMFG said! Observer gets downed with disruptor+paw = shields off, 2 mm off from the red bad, lance -> KABOOM. Next observer, same but throw. Lance has now recharged, repeat. Run along with Juggernaut or Commando, or just about anyone who can also prime and double throw around. I prefer combo damage and radius evo over double throw, because that applies to all combos, not just biotic, also take duration evo to prime I; it will make bigger electricity AoE and stun/strip shields to more enemies. Example Group of Anoiteds; prime one, Throw, will lift it and tech combo will almost strip shields from others, Lance the floating one and biotic combo will leave others with less than a half health, then just finish them off. Alright, need to test this meaty sounding stuff
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Post by binkypoomcsnuggles on May 22, 2018 19:35:04 GMT
Stickies don’t benefit from Tactical Cloak either, do they? They do. Powers also do. But you need to shot before they explode to get bonus damage; throw them, shot, benefit. I also leave stickies at 1 on all my infiltrators, except on the Avenger. 2x Incinerate and area ED are more suited for my play style. without combat cloak the window where stickies benefit from tac cloak is only .5 sec (iirc). The main "combo" for stickies + tac cloak is with combat cloak, at close range, 2 stickes then immediately shoot will usually cause both stickies and your gunfire to all benefit from cloak damage boost. You can burst down armor very efficiently this way if taking all the + damage to armor evolutions available to the kit. Not that there's anything wrong with incinerate, of course.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on May 22, 2018 19:40:28 GMT
I prefer combo damage and radius evo over double throw, because that applies to all combos, not just biotic, also take duration evo to prime I; it will make bigger electricity AoE and stun/strip shields to more enemies. Example Group of Anoiteds; prime one, Throw, will lift it and tech combo will almost strip shields from others, Lance the floating one and biotic combo will leave others with less than a half health, then just finish them off. Alright, need to test this meaty sounding stuff Yeaah, it works just need to be sharp with the lance, not immediately throw it behind the throw, but aim a bit higher and then throw
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Post by SassaMFG on May 22, 2018 22:10:25 GMT
without combat cloak the window where stickies benefit from tac cloak is only .5 sec (iirc). Why would anyone pick other one? Not that there's anything wrong with incinerate, of course. Like I said, better suites my play style. I don't like to run around picking ammo.
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without combat cloak the window where stickies benefit from tac cloak is only .5 sec (iirc). Why would anyone pick other one? Because they are scrubs?
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Just would like to share, I completed my first Platinum Solo. Firebase Zero, Outlaw (Go for the eyes). Devices, Devices, Boss. 29 minutes completion. Asari Huntress, Hurricane VI, Equalizer (Siphon) X. Boosters: Incenery Ammo II, Targeting II Congrats! How was it? Any scary moments? Did you use the Hurricane more or the Equalizer?
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Post by melenvision on May 27, 2018 7:42:45 GMT
Just would like to share, I completed my first Platinum Solo. Firebase Zero, Outlaw (Go for the eyes). Devices, Devices, Boss. 29 minutes completion. Asari Huntress, Hurricane VI, Equalizer (Siphon) X. Boosters: Incenery Ammo II, Targeting II Congrats! How was it? Any scary moments? Did you use the Hurricane more or the Equalizer? I was very lucky I didn't get Upload or Hack so it wasn't too stressful. Definitely used Hurricane far more to prime enemies quickly. I guess my strategy was to be patient and not get too trigger happy. Keep moving around the map and shoot from a distance. I've never completed a Hack or Upload solo on Platinum so that might be my next goal.
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Post by gnperdue on May 28, 2018 16:46:09 GMT
Just would like to share, I completed my first Platinum Solo. Firebase Zero, Outlaw (Go for the eyes). Devices, Devices, Boss. 29 minutes completion. Asari Huntress, Hurricane VI, Equalizer (Siphon) X. Boosters: Incenery Ammo II, Targeting II Nice job! And no shame in not doing Hacks and Uploads. They’re insanely hard in a solo.
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