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Post by mordokai on May 26, 2018 19:54:56 GMT
I don't know, he still feels lacking compared to the other Vanguards. I look at all the other Vanguards, and I just can't see anything that makes him a "have to pick this guy" type of character. I didn't know weapon weight was a thing for him, so thanks for that information. But even still, I think other Vanguards are either more fun or more useful. I personally prefer the Slayer, Cerberus, and Batarian for my Vanguards personally. The Drell Vanguard isn't as dangerous to me as the Drell Adept and Infiltrators. I can see why he would be weak when he first came out. The Asari is not only way better but stasis is more useful than pull too. He is the most stylish of all three drell brothers, but certainly the weakest in terms of damage output. Which is like saying our sun is a little hot... technically true, but it doesn't do it justice.
I love all of the vanguards you mentioned and they all have their strengths. However, saying that drellgod is weaker than them(and yes, I know you didn't said that, but it was certainly implied) is not true. He requires more skill, due to his low shields. He is one kit that really benefits from adrenaline module III and you have to be on the move constantly. Claymore or Venom is pretty much a must for him and don't be stingy with those grenades, they will keep you alive when used in quantity.
He is, what tvtropes refers to as Fragile Speedster. Or Glass Cannon. He can dish out a hell of a lot damage, but he can't take much in return. That's why you have to keep on the move and on offense. He is a high risk-high reward character. Tough to master, but oh so much fun when mastered.
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Post by muahmuah on May 26, 2018 20:31:31 GMT
Agreed,except Slayer.Slayer is damn monster if you know how to play him.Frog vanaguard is not weaker than most of the vanaguards,but he is not better than them as well.He is more fun tho.My top 3 vanaguards are-asaguard,slayer and the frog.His strategy is hit and run. |
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Post by mordokai on May 26, 2018 20:42:11 GMT
Agreed,except Slayer.Slayer is damn monster if you know how to play him.Frog vanaguard is not weaker than most of the vanaguards,but he is not better than them as well.He is more fun tho.My top 3 vanaguards are-asaguard,slayer and the frog.His strategy is hit and run. I like and detest Slayer at the same time. He's just so absurdly powerful it's not even funny. He's not on level of TGI or AIU, but pretty damn close. Too sensitive to lag as well.
Pretty much the only vanguards I play are(in order of usage) asari, drell, Phoenix and batarian. The last one usually gets deployed with Reegar after I get sick of phantom bullshit.
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Post by muahmuah on May 26, 2018 20:54:21 GMT
Agreed,except Slayer.Slayer is damn monster if you know how to play him.Frog vanaguard is not weaker than most of the vanaguards,but he is not better than them as well.He is more fun tho.My top 3 vanaguards are-asaguard,slayer and the frog.His strategy is hit and run. I like and detest Slayer at the same time. He's just so absurdly powerful it's not even funny. He's not on level of TGI or AIU, but pretty damn close. Too sensitive to lag as well.
Pretty much the only vanguards I play are(in order of usage) asari, drell, Phoenix and batarian. The last one usually gets deployed with Reegar after I get sick of phantom bullshit.
Can't agree for the "fun" part.Slayer is a very fun character.Except volus and batarian i like all vanaguards,but like i said some of them like much more.In fact i use vanaguards only for solos or themed challenges.I play mostly off host,so better to save my nerves.  |
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Post by XCPTNL on May 26, 2018 21:49:49 GMT
I know this is a thread about Drell and I think I have shared some of my opinions so forgive me to go a bit off topic here for a moment but can you give me the link to the cookiecutter build for the slayer. I know he's powerful and all but I never really cared to get into playing him. That ridiculous looking skirt alone made me not wanna play him a lot but I guess I should check him out once more. obbie1984: sorry I can't give you more than that. Like I said: on paper he looks weaker than some other kits and I especially get the comparison to the strong Asari Vanguard. Like other mentioned before it's pretty much about high damage and speed and making good use of grenades. I never spec into pull, actually all my Drell are 2 powers only builds and full fitness for maximum movement speed as well as maximum passives for weapon damage. Stasis can be nice at times and that's why I especially used the Asari for levelling up the class some because just 1 point in Stasis can be useful when starting at level 1  |
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Post by muahmuah on May 26, 2018 22:09:27 GMT
I know this is a thread about Drell and I think I have shared some of my opinions so forgive me to go a bit off topic here for a moment but can you give me the link to the cookiecutter build for the slayer. I know he's powerful and all but I never really cared to get into playing him. That ridiculous looking skirt alone made me not wanna play him a lot but I guess I should check him out once more. obbie1984: sorry I can't give you more than that. Like I said: on paper he looks weaker than some other kits and I especially get the comparison to the strong Asari Vanguard. Like other mentioned before it's pretty much about high damage and speed and making good use of grenades. I never spec into pull, actually all my Drell are 2 powers only builds and full fitness for maximum movement speed as well as maximum passives for weapon damage. Stasis can be nice at times and that's why I especially used the Asari for levelling up the class some because just 1 point in Stasis can be useful when starting at level 1 !3A06535!!24F53334!E0.EG This is my build for solos. |
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Post by NinjaSuperiority on May 26, 2018 22:40:52 GMT
He is the most stylish of all three drell brothers no no no. Stylish is no infiltrator, no biotic charge! So stylish is cartwheels and dealing justice!!!! |
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Post by Voluptuous Volus on May 27, 2018 13:18:58 GMT
DV is an absolute beast. He's squishy, yes, but with all the nades, speed and fire explosions he can kill as fast as anyone - Slayer included. He's definetely more efficient than NovaGuard or Kroguard or the GoonGuard or even Assguard.
He's more difficult to play on Platinum, and vulnerable on big maps like Rio or Dagger, but when you get used to it - he whoops ass. Kill streaks for days. On Gold he's just LOL broken. 13-14 minute games even with PUGS.
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Post by Deerber on May 27, 2018 17:39:43 GMT
Lol I can't be bothered to read through all the blasphemy in this thread, so I'll sum it up like this.
In a 4-men game on gold, the list of characters' power goes pretty much like this:
- DV
- QMI (because lolTC'dwallhacknades)
- All the rest?!? I can't remember the rest anymore.
The list of characters by syle, instead, goes like this:
- DV (he's more stylish cause he screams EeeeemmmWounded more often)
- DA/DInf
Some random other stuff over here
Happy Drelling fellas!
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Post by obbie1984 on May 27, 2018 18:16:24 GMT
mordokai : I don't want you to think I am saying the Drell is incapable of damage or is weak. He can indeed be strong. I used the Claymore build with no pull with him a little while ago and I played a bunch of gold games with him. I think I have a decent handle on him. I was always had the highest damage in those games. I just feel there is something lacking about him. I can't put my finger on it. Maybe its just a fun factor thing? His squishiness didn't bother me as much because with charge and speed mods nothing was able to really touch me. I mean he was fun, but not as fun to me as the Slayer or Cerberus Vanguard. I have a blast with those guys. Not so much the Drell. I still think his other brothers are way stronger than him and as I said, I think they are the best in their class. And sorry, I think the Slayer is one of the most stylish characters in the game, but I agree that skirt Kai Leng look does him no favors. But then he makes up with it by being able to teleport through walls and swag through objects with his heavy melee. You can't beat that. XCPTNL no worries. As I said, I can see him being strong and being able to deal with nearly everything. And his speed is definitely great. But I feel Asari Vanguard does the grenade thing better. Krogan and Batarian can take more hits, the Cerberus/Slayer guys are funner, the Slayer is way more stylish (yeah fight me) and can wipe crowds with more precision than grenades (PD is more accurate), and I don't think speed is as much an issue for Vanguard because of charge. I am going to try him once more after talking about it here. Maybe Crusader (my favorite gun) will make him more fun? We'll see.
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Post by Deerber on May 27, 2018 22:18:14 GMT
But then he makes up with it by being able to teleport through walls and swag through objects with his heavy melee. You can't beat that. Dude. You've got a guy going around a futuristic battlefield, with guns, grenades, biotics, explosives and friggin' zombie crabs... In a trenchcoat. A trenchcoat. I'm sorry, the Slayer is super cool. But he's not Drell cool  |
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on May 28, 2018 3:34:18 GMT
Let me put it this way -
Level 1 DA with one point in Reave and one point in Clusters and a Claymore, in competent hands, will outscore most level 20 kits while dying no more or less than anyone else.
Requires AM3 at level 1, and good aim, but - it is a playstyle.
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I thought Drell sucked really badly when the game was still new. Grenades were terrible for me because they were limited in count (Grenade Gear was a real game changer!) and I didn't understand how to aim them. My aim was also piss, and I moved like a Destroyer in Devastator Mode carrying an Elcor shooting a Spitfire. This worked ok for kits I "liked" (Justicar, Krogan Vanguard) and every other kit "sucked".
Then I watched Feneckus wreck face with the DA, and realized that it was I who sucked. And, badly.
Movement speed and raw aggression are the things that defeat the enemy and ensure survival. I die the least when I am aiming well and get confident, because I drive at the enemy guns blazing, living in the gates, killing them before they kill me.
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on May 28, 2018 3:53:46 GMT
LoLFrogBoi, it only spams nades... (fuck you, Thane)
Can someone make a melee build, for gold/plat, with this rascal?
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on May 28, 2018 4:17:26 GMT
LoLFrogBoi, it only spams nades... (fuck you, Thane)Can someone make a melee build, for gold/plat, with this rascal?  |
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Post by Alfonsedode on May 28, 2018 8:17:52 GMT
LoLFrogBoi, it only spams nades... (fuck you, Thane)Can someone make a melee build, for gold/plat, with this rascal? yes, DV is capable and i have to play him more cause it s really fun. Tns gave me his build and routine : Falcon melee BuildI take melee synergy in fitness rank 6. With the 30% extra melee damage, I can get rid of a hunter with a falcon shot + heavy melee. I don't think it's possible on a bunch of shielded mooks without it. I tried taking speed on rank 6, but more often than not I was ending up using falcon + 2xheavy melee, which meant I was open to fire a bit more often. As for how I play it - charge > falcon > HM > falcon > HM and repeat. I use pull to neutralize certain enemies when the spawn I charge into is a big one. I mainly reserve it for husks, phantoms, guardian shields and abombs. I use clusters rarely - most of the time, I end up with over 3-4 thermal clip packs left. I use them only on big spawns and on boss crowds. You can keep just about every mook staggered till death with the combination of falcon and melee. [/div] [/quote] |
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Post by larsdt on May 28, 2018 8:20:46 GMT
LoLFrogBoi, it only spams nades... (fuck you, Thane)Can someone make a melee build, for gold/plat, with this rascal? You have to get in touch with TheNightSlasher . Teamed up with him a couple of times where he displayed some impressive melee Drell action. And sorry no, it wasn't with the Lancer but Falcon iirc... Edit: Ninja'ed by Alfonsedode |
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Post by max on May 28, 2018 16:12:02 GMT
Below Platinum a well played Drell Vanguard is almost impossible to keep pace with. Spec'd properly their CGs do absurd damage. I prefer a power amp instead of adrenaline amp (unless Platinum).
Really only the smallest handful of kits even have a chance. The on host PD build Slayer is one of the kits which can though
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Post by obbie1984 on May 28, 2018 18:43:32 GMT
But then he makes up with it by being able to teleport through walls and swag through objects with his heavy melee. You can't beat that. Dude. You've got a guy going around a futuristic battlefield, with guns, grenades, biotics, explosives and friggin' zombie crabs... In a trenchcoat. A trenchcoat. I'm sorry, the Slayer is super cool. But he's not Drell cool Bruh, the Slayer can teleport through objects, be all ninja like, can throw hadokens, biotic charge, has a sword and a trenchcoat type thing too. And heavy melee through objects with the Slayer is one of the coolest things in the game (no THE coolest thing). And he's just a human. The Slayer is like some sort MLG pro anime character in a Mass Effect game. In any case, I did try out Drell Vanguard with Crusader last night on gold, alone at first. DistigousForest joined me as the Drell Infiltrator with a Crusader so we looked like a real drell team (even when we were kicking each other). I never really checked the score until the end of the game. But by the end of the game, I was shocked at how much damage I had done with this build with fire rounds and grenades. Yeah, he can hit really hard, buuuuuut, I still didn't have that much fun with him. In the next game, I picked the Slayer against the Geth and Distigious out DPS'd me with the human soldier on Dagger. But I had way more fun with him. So yeah, Drell Vanguard is lethal, but probably just not one of my favorite vanguards. |
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Post by XCPTNL on May 28, 2018 19:10:01 GMT
For me personally a lot of the fun comes from movement speed alone. That's also the problem: I don't enjoy the other kits as much (unless they are somehow faster) and usually die more often because I'm not used to the slow movement of other kits.
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Post by mordokai on May 28, 2018 19:36:23 GMT
For me personally a lot of the fun comes from movement speed alone. That's also the problem: I don't enjoy the other kits as much (unless they are somehow faster) and usually die more often because I'm not used to the slow movement of other kits. I find that somewhat interesting. I usually play "slower" kits... not jugg or Destroyer, but your usual classes that are not drell. Asari, turian, human, salarian and whathaveyou, but yeah, kinda slow when compared to drell. And yet, I find no problem in switching between drell and non drell. Sure, an AM3 DV or DAI is like... wow, that's like... REALLY fast! But aside from that, I find myself comfortable to any speed mode.
Guess conditioning really shows itself here. You get used to drell and their speed, you gonna suffer when you get something slower. I count myself blessed that I'm able to handle any speed, though I will admit, any time I switch to aforementioned juggy or Destroyer, AM3 is a must. So I guess I conditioned myself as well |
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Post by XCPTNL on May 28, 2018 20:38:32 GMT
mordokai: It's not that I can't play other kits at all but I notice the lack of speed when trying to get away, dodging and so on. I can manage but it also isn't as much fun for me. The same goes for other games as well. DOOM (2016) for example was nicely paced but then Shadow Warrior 2 came around with unlimited dashing and also skills that granted additional movement speed. I take a squishy but fast and high-dps build anytime over oher options. When I played some RTS games in the past I also opted for quick hit and run tactics if possible. ME3MP as a whole should run at 1.5x speed if you ask me. When I played oldschool Counterstrike competitively around 14-18 years ago I used to play some Quake3 Arena before the match to warm up and the CS match then felt like slow-motion afterwards 
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on May 28, 2018 20:40:06 GMT
LoLFrogBoi, it only spams nades... (fuck you, Thane)Can someone make a melee build, for gold/plat, with this rascal? You have to get in touch with TheNightSlasher . Teamed up with him a couple of times where he displayed some impressive melee Drell action. And sorry no, it wasn't with the Lancer but Falcon iirc... Edit: Ninja'ed by Alfonsedode Oh....  |
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