Would love feedback on my history of ME multiplayer!

Thanks for checking out the video- I think getting the accent across will come with practice and listening to myself

Ahahah that would be a hilarious title! In all seriousness though, you're 100% right, and that's some advice I'll take to heart in future videos like this. Good points about the differences between the two games as well, seems to echo what others are saying why they preferred ME3

OK OP, you were looking for feedback....

Apologies in advance if I mix my tenses, as I think of ME:A in historic terms while ME3 is still a going concern. I deleted ME:A from my Xbox rather than be depressed every time I saw it. I played the full SP campaign and around 120 hours of MP, compared to well over 3000 hours of MP3 MP, and 10 SP playthroughs. Pearl found one of my comments about it above. As a melee-happy virtual Krogan we were never really going to get along, other than to acknowledge the quality of Drack as an SP character. The MP Krogans however are a bunch of pyjaks whose so-called Rage mode reminds me too much of Leo DiCaprio in 'Game Mode' in the film of The Beach to be taken seriously.

The only positives for me were the improved auto-cover, the destructible scenery, the girl with the ponytail hair and.... and.... and..... nope, that's all. Not only is there no Claymore, but all the other guns are pure unadulterated shite. Just horrible. Pew-pew-pew. They all have an unpleasant, grating, metallic sound, like cymbals clashing, and have no oomph, no impact. Headshots off-host are even worse than ME3, and they all feel the same to me. None of them go BOOM! It seems almost inconceivable to me that it was built on the same engine as Battlefield 1 - every gun in that game is more satisfying to use than any gun in ME:A.

Some of the powers and combos are OK, and would have been welcome additions to the perfectly solid base from ME3.

The enemies lack any kind of personality, except the Fiend when he kills you from the other room.

Oh dear sweet lord the UI.

The addition of boosted duplicate versions of the same mediocre weapons to the pool was just unacceptable on any level. I quit around that point. The grind in general would have been pretty horrendous. Has anybody actually maxed a manifest yet?

The Jetpacks were fine in SP, as Pearl said, but they are the single greatest ruination of MP because they almost totally remove variety. If the game had been properly supported and the maps intelligently designed, use of jetpacks could have been removed on certain difficulty settings. But no, because JETPACKS!!! It's retarded, and I fear you have to be retarded to not be irritated by the overall ridiculousness of the concept. BOING! BOING! Jumping Frogs. There are no Jetpacks in the Milky Way, and yet EVERYONE has them in Andromeda. How does that work? Space magic I guess. It might have made sense for Ryder and maybe one or two characters to have prototypes, but not every character. No skill required in our new home - obviously due to the recruitment of fuckwits to go off on their illegal AI expeditions as Cerberus v2.0.

I don't understand how a sentient being could conclude that ME:A MP is, overall, objectively better than ME3 MP, which probably has more current players despite being more than 6 years old. Perhaps the OP is SAM in disguise. Ah, feckin SAM. Don't get me started on SAM. Well, at least it didn't make it into MP.

As for the video OP, I actively like your accent as it reminds me of a wonderful holiday touring NZ 20 years ago and to my ear you sound like you're more likely to be on the South Island, which might be the most beautiful place on earth. Apart from Donegal, obviously.

It might be an idea to link to the ME:A thread in the opening post so those of us who no longer frequent that part of the forum can do so without being traumatized or triggered or injured by extreme laughter because of any of the other discussion topics. Cross-pollination of views can be fun.

Now, in the interests of determining subjectivity versus objectivity, it's obvious we have radically different opinions about the respective merits of the games. I struggle to understand how you reached the conclusion you did, but I believe you do actually think that ME:A MP is the better game.

I immediately wonder how much you host, how much you play with friends, and whether the PC experience could actually be better than on console to the extent that it's an actual requirement for enjoyability. I tend to trust Qui-Gon GlenN7's judgement and I'm siding with him on this one. The PS3 ME3 MP experience is a catalogue of high farce, but it still kept me at it for years. It's smoother on Xbox and undoubtedly the dog's bollocks on a high end gaming PC, but all the console shortcomings pale beside the fun and character the game has in bucketloads.

I pug off-host 95% of the time in ME3 and did so 100% in ME:A. The latter was just horrible. On the Xbox, the lag and technical problems are (or were) far worse in ME:A than ME3. That was my experience. Lag is a potentially game-breaking issue off-host in ME3 with Vanguards and nothing else. The issues with the Venom, Siege Pulse, Kishock, Graal or an aggressively-played Fury are not game-breaking. Headshots are tricky but can be cheesed with Stasis or any stun power. Everything is affected by lag and/or technical issues in ME:A with headshots nigh on impossible.

Most of the time for me it was just a case of pew-pew-pew - oh look - flying dogs - and killing enemies as they appeared, with no need for guile or strategy or prioritization, except for the utter randomness of the bloke with the magic orb. It's just dumb. All of it, in my subjective opinion. The gameplay footage you showed confirmed all that for me. What you see as fast-paced and exciting I see as unrealistic jittery hyperactive migraine-inducing nonsense, and what you see as unacceptably sluggish I see as something grounded in some kind of reality. A reality I can lose myself in for hour after hour, usually with total strangers, some of whom exchange 'GG' messages with me after a session. I never got or sent a message in ME:A and in fact I never even had a proper session as it seems it's for people with shorter attention spans than this particular old fart.

TL/DR: All they really needed to do was fix the omnibutton/spacebar issue, not reinvent the wheel.

christ GruntKitterhand, tell us how you really feel

Still laughing after a couple of minutes. I woke up this morning with a hazy memory that I might have had a bit of a rant while under the influence of certain herbal remedies, and logged in fearfully. Glad to see I caused some amusement and hope I didn't cause the OP any actual distress - nothing personal - it's just a fucking game at the end of the day, right?

The vid is fine IMO, OP, and while I don't agree with your conclusion (that ME:A trumps ME3), I can readily accept the fact that one man's meat is another man's poison.

On a small point of punctuation: at about 3 secs into the vid there's a paragraph of text whose first line terminates with an its' -- that's incorrect because (although 'its' is 'possessive') the determiner in question never, ever uses an apostrophe in that way and/or in that position.

The devil's in the detail .

I concur, with all of it, and the response, I am laughing so hard at the Holy Shit!! 😆😆😆

Genius!

Only recently found out that Psyonix (the Rocket League people) did ME3MP


psyonix.com/games/#all/1/grid

Ahaha no of course not, it was a great read! Exactly, just a game, if we have fun then does anything else matter? Appreciate the effort

I'm going to offer my perspective as somebody who only played ME3MP and who never has any intention to play MEAMP. I'll try and briefly extrapolate on that.

First of all, I had some troubles understanding you, probably due to accent. Nothing serious and nothing to worry about... I'm actually glad to be remembered that a language is a beautiful thing that offers so many tones, accents and whatnot. I'm only mentioning this if, for some reason, I misunderstood you, that probably played a role in it.

I will, for reasons already laid out, focus only on your ME3MP portion of the video. I watched the entire video, but I can't offer any opinion on MEAMP. I will, however, offer my subjective opinion, based on a few videos I watched.

I want to try a single player campaign. Despite the horrendous facial animations, the exploratory part of my soul wants to try this. You see, one of my bucket list items is traveling the world. I want to see this beautiful planet and everything it has to offer. As such, a chance to explore our neighboring galaxy(if only as imagined by Bioware) is simply something I can't resist. I won't go into reasons why I haven't done that yet, it should be obvious to anybody who knows the scene. But I don't want to say it out loud, because I don't know if that is a banable offense.

So yeah, I wouldn't oppose to playing SP campaign. MP is... a mixed bag for me. While jet packs look kinda interesting to me(because fuck it... jet packs!), I am the same time slightly disgusted by them. It may be the old fart talking from me, but I feel it kinda cheapens the experience. In the third game, you had to know what was around you and react properly. Over here, you jump around it like a grasshopper on PCP. It also seems like it's implemented to cater to nowadays youth with ADHD(no offense meant to any ADHD sufferer, seriously), who need it bigger, better and with more explosions. And the enemies looks... uninspiring, I guess? Simply too generic. Though I will admit, this is probably a healthy dose of bias speaking out of me.

Also, I trust my good friend, GruntKitterhand . If he says it's not good, well... yeah, I believe him. He was the one that introduced me to the glory of melee krosent and while the guy(krosent, not Grunt) is still far down the line, after all the asari, drell, salarians, many humans, both fat turians, three quarters of batarians... I now know that Grunt has a good taste. So there's that.

Now, onto ME3MP. I get the feeling that, despite the overall positive vibe you projected in your video, you are yourself slightly biased. I get it that you like MEAMP more and I don't lie when I say that I don't hold it against you. Different people, different strokes and all that. However, despite all of that, I got the distinct feeling that there was a slight bias to your video, when you came to comparison. Which, again, is fine. If I, or many others around here were doing similar video, I get the feeling it would be even more opinionated, just in the other direction. So what will follow will be my thoughts, feeling and everything besides it(all of it very subjective, if that needed to be said) on ME3MP.

I only started playing MP because I wanted the achievement. You know, the one that wants you to have 100% readiness in MP.

I still remember my first match. Cerberus/Glacier/Bronze, with a FHI, with Mantis and... was it Avenger? You know, the starter set. Even back then, I had to carry a wave by myself. Don't remember the end... quite possibly it was a wipe After that, I played enough matches to get the achievement and after that... I forgot about it. Just like that.

I think what started me again was watching TTT's video of her, trashing Cerberus on Glacier, with Claymore asari vanguard. Youtube randomly recommended it to me, after watching one too many SP videos(damn you, yt!). She did it... on her own. It was amazing. After that, I went to BSN of old and read a few topics. I learned of things like RHA, invincibility frames and many, many other things.

Of course, being the scrub I was, I decided to test it on Bronze and Silver. It took me a long time to switch to Gold. And when I did... oh, the horror! The enemies were so much more deadly and lets not even mention how often I got skewered by phantoms or banshees.

But I did... however slow it took. It helped that I had some help from a few friendly BSNers(once again, a shoutout to my friendly krogan), but I can, without false pretense or humility, say that I learned most of what I know today, on my own, through trial and error. And during that, I learned to love the gems of this game... the asari. The fat turians. I learned reload cancelling. I started using heavy weapons on caster classes and being good with it. I learned to love krogan headbutts I learned, failed, learned some more, laughed, cried, sweated and cursed and everything in between. I learned the spawn points, device locations, glitching hacks, switching targets... all the tricks of the trade. It came to the point that I can, more often than not, carry the pugs to victory, even with "underpowered" classes. And despite spending a good portion of my life on it(seriously, in the amount of the time I spent on this game, I could have mastered a real world applicable skill, like another foreign language, lock picking, drawing, playing an instrument... getting a girlfriend )... I don't regret it. I had fun, more often than not. I had some amazing themed matches with my BSN friend, I found some nonBSN friends and I proved to myself I can master a new skill. Through finishing my Gold solo, my Platinum solo(scrubby as it may have been) and finishing pretty much any challenge set by the game. At least, any that matters.

But see... there's the catch. Even if the aforementioned bias didn't play the role... I don't want to invest that kind of time into the game again. Next time I spend 1000+ hours on the skill, it will be one of the aforementioned, real world applicable ones. That's why MEAMP will never get the same dedication from me as ME3MP did.

I love my asari(especially Valkyrie ). I love my fat turians. I love hazard Dagger and White, Jade and many other maps(and yes, I know I'm going to catch flak for that). And I love my friends and this community. But as said before, even if MEAMP was a good game(which, as mentioned, subjectively and biased, I doubt), I am unwilling to invest myself into it, in the same way I did into ME3MP. In fact, I am unwilling to invest myself into any game in the same amount as I did into ME3MP.

I'm glad you love Andromeda, my dear host. I really am. But my heart bled on the battlefields of the Milky Way. That's why our home galaxy will always have a special place in my broken, hemorrhaged heart

And I wouldn't change it for a world. Neither, dare I say... for a whole galaxy.

  I consider both money and time to be resources.  They (BioWare) had to pay the other team, schedule meetings etc, - so it obviously took stuff from their coffers.