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Post by duckley on Jun 7, 2018 5:55:25 GMT
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 7, 2018 11:55:56 GMT
So I'm the only woman who finds him physically and morally repulsive then. OK.
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Post by warden on Jun 7, 2018 13:37:27 GMT
So I'm the only woman who finds him physically and morally repulsive then. OK. Well if you are a simple black and white thinker, it's not exactly a surprise, don't worry though, they have still yet to come to comment in the thread, you are not alone, just give it more time and it will happen, it's still very early.
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Post by helios969 on Jun 7, 2018 19:54:32 GMT
Only if Cassandra's dear uncle Vestalus has him dancing on marionette strings. He's worm food.
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Post by ames4u on Jun 8, 2018 16:16:28 GMT
I guess I could dig up his corpse and reanimate him---before turning him into a macabre piñata for everyone to take a swing at, but I don't know what the Warden did with his decapitated head. They muttered something along the lines of shit belonging in the dungnheap, not the royal castle was the last I heard of it.
He never survived any of my playthroughs on the grounds that the people he hurt would never have gained justice for the crimes he commit against them. That and his actions were even more vile after reading the novel which makes things a whole lot worse despite some people claiming the opposite.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Jun 9, 2018 3:54:07 GMT
Yeah, truly never understood the like for this guy - he's missing his head in all of my world states.
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Post by lynroy on Jun 9, 2018 7:27:49 GMT
Loghain. /end discussion
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Post by Elfen Lied on Jun 13, 2018 13:38:27 GMT
Impossible. In each of my playthroughs he never survived DA:O.
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Post by coldsteelblue on Jun 14, 2018 8:39:48 GMT
He's deader than disco in all of my world states, he tried to kill my HoF, I take that personally.
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Post by LogicGunn on Jun 14, 2018 9:18:46 GMT
Unlikely to have a big appearance cause he can be very dead twice over, but I'd love to have a cameo.
Though, what a wonderfully sarcastic and bitter companion he would make! 😀
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 10:06:27 GMT
Now this is a thread I can get behind! Loghain, Varric and Vega are my 3 biggest WHY WON'T YOU LET ME ROMANCE THEM BIOWARE moments. Sadly there are 99 ways to kill him so I doubt we'll be hearing the dulcet tones of Simon Templeman again. I'd like to see a cameo of his head on a stick. Although I suppose it would just be a skull now ... Oh! Could I use it as a weapon? You could make it DLC, BioWare. Loghain for companion in the next da game. Hold on. Scratch that. Make a game where the player plays as Loghain. It takes place before the events of dao. If not, have a dlc playing as Loghain for the next game. Its too bad he couldn't be a companion earlier in dao. I doubt he will be seen in the next game, though I wouldn't complain if he has a cameo. Most likely a line of dialogue mentioning his name or he will be mentioned in a codex. I'd love a prequel all about the Hero of Riverdane, fighting the Orlesians to win back Ferelden would be pretty epic. And don't get me started on his lacklustre companion status, it was a missed opportunity if you ask me.
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Post by romice on Jun 14, 2018 14:05:17 GMT
Now this is a thread I can get behind! Loghain, Varric and Vega are my 3 biggest WHY WON'T YOU LET ME ROMANCE THEM BIOWARE moments. Sadly there are 99 ways to kill him so I doubt we'll be hearing the dulcet tones of Simon Templeman again. I'd like to see a cameo of his head on a stick. Although I suppose it would just be a skull now ... Oh! Could I use it as a weapon? You could make it DLC, BioWare. Loghain for companion in the next da game. Hold on. Scratch that. Make a game where the player plays as Loghain. It takes place before the events of dao. If not, have a dlc playing as Loghain for the next game. Its too bad he couldn't be a companion earlier in dao. I doubt he will be seen in the next game, though I wouldn't complain if he has a cameo. Most likely a line of dialogue mentioning his name or he will be mentioned in a codex. I'd love a prequel all about the Hero of Riverdane, fighting the Orlesians to win back Ferelden would be pretty epic. And don't get me started on his lacklustre companion status, it was a missed opportunity if you ask me. I completely agree with every, single sentence. The playthoughs I had to kill him in (for the achievements only) were the hardest
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 14:15:19 GMT
I completely agree with every, single sentence. The playthoughs I had to kill him in (for the achievements only) were the hardest Let's huddle in a corner together and cry.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Jun 14, 2018 16:12:14 GMT
I would be happy unless the story is about stopping the sixth Blight and/or the Grey Warden "civil war" as the main quest then I would rather NOT to have any the Grey Wardens and the darkspawn in the game at all. IMHO The Wardens and Darkspawn are the least interesting things in DA2 and DA:I and that also includes mentions and cameos of Loghain, Alistair, the Warden-Commander/HoF, Stroud, Thom Rainer/Blackwall, The Architect, The Elder One, The Archdemon, and the rest of them.
I'm tied of the Grey Wardens and the Darkspawn they need to vanish for a game, there is an old saying "I can't miss you if never go away" and IMHO the Wardens and the Darkspawn need to go away for DA4 and maybe come back in a major role in DA5, that is if the series gets a 5th game.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2018 14:01:06 GMT
I'm tied of the Grey Wardens and the Darkspawn they need to vanish for a game, there is an old saying "I can't miss you if never go away" and IMHO the Wardens and the Darkspawn need to go away for DA4 and maybe come back in a major role in DA5, that is if the series gets a 5th game. I agree, I felt like the wardens in DAI were an afterthought really. A game without the blight, darkspawn and Deep Roads would be a welcome break. Then they can come back singing and dancing with all their titaniness in DA5.
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Post by Sifr on Jun 15, 2018 14:54:23 GMT
I look forward to seeing his rating on the DILF meter get even higher than the jump from Origins to Inquisition. Even the people that hate him have got to admit... He's aged pretty well. Damn, Inquisition Loghain's Fiiiiiine.
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Post by jaison1986 on Jun 16, 2018 16:14:46 GMT
Never understood the viciouness of the Loghain haters. Did all the Alistair fangirling rotted their brains or something? I mean, I had Alistair executed and that was that. No point in dissing the dead.
"Nothing personal kid".
But as for Loghain, I won't be seeing him. Didn't spend 20 hours playing as Hawke to ditch him now.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Jun 16, 2018 16:43:24 GMT
Never understood the viciouness of the Loghain haters. Did all the Alistair fangirling rotted their brains or something? I mean, I had Alistair executed and that was that. No point in dissing the dead. "Nothing personal kid". But as for Loghain, I won't be seeing him. Didn't spend 20 hours playing as Hawke to ditch him now. For me it didn't have anything to do with Alistair, and everything to do with him repeatedly trying to kill my Warden. He just wasn't presented as a good guy in the game. Based on just that, I don't see why anyone would spare him.
I don't really care if he was a hero in the past. It's his actions in the game that I'm judging him on.
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Post by romice on Jun 16, 2018 17:05:40 GMT
Never understood the viciouness of the Loghain haters. Did all the Alistair fangirling rotted their brains or something? I mean, I had Alistair executed and that was that. No point in dissing the dead. "Nothing personal kid". But as for Loghain, I won't be seeing him. Didn't spend 20 hours playing as Hawke to ditch him now. For me it didn't have anything to do with Alistair, and everything to do with him repeatedly trying to kill my Warden. He just wasn't presented as a good guy in the game. Based on just that, I don't see why anyone would spare him.
I don't really care if he was a hero in the past. It's his actions in the game that I'm judging him on.
Actually, I spared him on my first playthrough, before I even knew there was a book about his hero days. My warden agreed with Riordan, the Wardens need to be as numerous as possible. Also, she saw a bit of herself in Loghain, since she was also destined to be jailed and probably executed (city elf, she admitted her crime to safe the other elf). Did she hate Loghain? Yes. But before him, she spared Sten and Zevran, both had done bad things and she managed to befriend them (and fall in love with Zev). She knew Loghain would be powerless to go against her in the future, even his own daughter thought him mad. And, as a pragmatic, she knew that sparing the Queens father was going to gain her favours in the court. Ali wasn't hardened, so Anora was a sole ruler, and my Tabris knew that having her grateful to an elf would help the Alienage more, then petty revenge.
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Post by jaison1986 on Jun 16, 2018 17:16:54 GMT
Never understood the viciouness of the Loghain haters. Did all the Alistair fangirling rotted their brains or something? I mean, I had Alistair executed and that was that. No point in dissing the dead. "Nothing personal kid". But as for Loghain, I won't be seeing him. Didn't spend 20 hours playing as Hawke to ditch him now. For me it didn't have anything to do with Alistair, and everything to do with him repeatedly trying to kill my Warden. He just wasn't presented as a good guy in the game. Based on just that, I don't see why anyone would spare him.
I don't really care if he was a hero in the past. It's his actions in the game that I'm judging him on.
He was trying to defend his homeland, that's what I judged him for. I didn't care much about the assassination attempts. All the mercs he sent against me barely put up a fight anyway. besides, it's not just about past or current actions for me. I also judge basing on character, and Loghain had more of it then most people I met in the game.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2018 19:59:34 GMT
For me it didn't have anything to do with Alistair, and everything to do with him repeatedly trying to kill my Warden. He just wasn't presented as a good guy in the game. Based on just that, I don't see why anyone would spare him.
I don't really care if he was a hero in the past. It's his actions in the game that I'm judging him on. <snip> Did she hate Loghain? Yes. But before him, she spared Sten and Zevran, both had done bad things and she managed to befriend them (and fall in love with Zev). You're so right. Everyone is quick to forgive Sten, a man who murdered children because boo hoo he lost his sword, but then judge those who spare Loghain. Like seriously wtf?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 16, 2018 20:08:40 GMT
I actually didn't judge him for trying to kill the Warden. I judged him on his other actions that hurt or killed hundreds of the very Fereldens he was supposedly trying to save, for example him selling so many City Elves to Tevinter for their blood money. He's doesn't even feel anything about that and would do it again.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2018 20:33:28 GMT
I actually didn't judge him for trying to kill the Warden. I judged him on his other actions that hurt or killed hundreds of the very Fereldens he was supposedly trying to save, for example him selling so many City Elves to Tevinter for their blood money. He's doesn't even feel anything about that and would do it again. That's the one thing really isn't it, how on earth are we supposed to want to save him after that? I wish they'd left that out tbh, then he could've been a more balanced character, allowing the player enough room to like him.
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Post by Sifr on Jun 17, 2018 1:03:18 GMT
I actually didn't judge him for trying to kill the Warden. I judged him on his other actions that hurt or killed hundreds of the very Fereldens he was supposedly trying to save, for example him selling so many City Elves to Tevinter for their blood money. He's doesn't even feel anything about that and would do it again. When the Darkspawn horde reached Denerim, the Alienage would find itself easily overrun because it wasn't built with defense in mind (presumably as a safeguard against Elven revolts). That would lead to countless Elves being massacred by the Darkspawn or dragged off for what we know is a fate worse than death.
Not only will those Elves have a better chance of survival if sent off to Tevinter, but the money gained from would be used to rebuild Ferelden's military forces, as they need all the manpower they can muster after the disastrous losses incurred at Ostagar.
Selling your own citizens into slavery is still an absolutely abhorrent thing to have done, but when you look at the reasoning, it is the most (ruthlessly) pragmatic solution to what is an otherwise impossible situation. Ferelden needed an army and the money to pay for one fast. So when Tevinter came knocking with an offer, Loghain jumped at it and embraced/rationalised it away as a necessary evil.
(In that regard, it's not different than the Mage Rebellion needing allies and having Templars breathing down their necks, leading to Fiona having no choice but to accept Tevinter's alliance when they came a-knocking. The moral is when Tevinter swoops in, it's always bad.)
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 17, 2018 1:17:45 GMT
I actually didn't judge him for trying to kill the Warden. I judged him on his other actions that hurt or killed hundreds of the very Fereldens he was supposedly trying to save, for example him selling so many City Elves to Tevinter for their blood money. He's doesn't even feel anything about that and would do it again. When the Darkspawn horde reached Denerim, the Alienage would find itself easily overrun because it wasn't built with defense in mind (presumably as a safeguard against Elven revolts). That would lead to countless Elves being massacred by the Darkspawn or dragged off for what we know is a fate worse than death.
Not only will those Elves have a better chance of survival if sent off to Tevinter, but the money gained from would be used to rebuild Ferelden's military forces, as they need all the manpower they can muster after the disastrous losses incurred at Ostagar.
Selling your own citizens into slavery is still an absolutely abhorrent thing to have done, but when you look at the reasoning, it is the most (ruthlessly) pragmatic solution to what is an otherwise impossible situation. Ferelden needed an army and the money to pay for one fast. So when Tevinter came knocking with an offer, Loghain jumped at it and embraced/rationalised it away as a necessary evil.
(In that regard, it's not different than the Mage Rebellion needing allies and having Templars breathing down their necks, leading to Fiona having no choice but to accept Tevinter's alliance when they came a-knocking. The moral is when Tevinter swoops in, it's always bad.) If it wasn't for Loghain's other actions, there would be no need to get all that money to raise an army and the Darkspawn would probably have never reached Denerim. Him creating those openings with his other acts do not mitigate this one. Also, Loghain has personal experience with how elves can be good in a fight so he had a sizable amount of troops there if he offered things in exchange for the elves helping. But he threw away a known quantity for an unknown one, hardly pragmatic. Selling people into slavery shouldn't have even crossed his mind since his whole rationale was him trying to stop people becoming slaves of Orlais. Overall, there is no valid explanation for his actions that can serve as a defense.
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