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Post by cmoe on Jan 19, 2018 14:07:34 GMT
Whoa trying to catch up on what I missed. I am going to have to stick to my original suspects before the grinching so I vote for dadithinkimgay. Though I'm torn between Dadi and Romice.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 19, 2018 14:08:10 GMT
I know anybody could say this but I am still fully myself.
I stand by the analysis I made of potential suspects for the original Grinch (Queeniest). My chief suspects are Dadithinkimgay and Romice, followed by Space and possibly Dragon (but she is more likely to have been innocent and the target of the Shrink the Heart)
I am still interested in what happened in the voting on Day 1 and this is the chief reason why I still harboured any suspicions against Space since he was positively encouraging the 4 way tie to occur (having created a three way one himself), actually pointing out that if the last two voters, Moonae and Serza, went for Dragon then it would happen. It might seem as though this increased the chances of catching a spy but naturally it doesn't as at that point there were far more heroes on the ground than spies. It could well be that everyone was innocent out of the 4 being voted for but an innocent and highly useful role, Cassandra, got voted off and it did mean that, if Dadi or one of the others was a spy, having two extra people in the mix decreased their chance of being selected by the dice role from 50/50 to 4:1. The fact that Adonniel used a different method for determining who went does not detract from this. Then Day 2 Space went for Smiles for no good reason I could see and declined to change it, possibly because the only two real alternatives were both fellow spies. Whilst he had been willing to ally with Fylimar to vote with her for Smiles in the first round, he declined to continue the alliance to vote for Tittus with her in the second. Since then he has been constantly changing form one person to another as his chief suspects. Now he has settled on Dadi when in previous rounds Dadi didn't even feature. In his defence I would say that Space reminded me to use my ability last night but may be the spies just wanted to ensure I used it up because they never intended to go for me. I may be a proven hero but I have no ability with which I can threaten them.
Returning to my other two suspects, I have to admit that for Dadi it is really the fact that being a Sera victim is a good cover for a spy and Moonae avoided joining my group or one of the others to make a clear cut result, instead preferring to add yet another person into the mix and supporting Dadi's vote for Dragon in the process. (It is for this reason that it seem highly unlikely that Dragon was one of the original Grinches). The 2nd and 3rd rounds of course told us nothing further since Dadi was compelled to vote Dragon in the 2nd and everyone voted Moonae in the 3rd. Since Moonae couldn't create a 4-way tie in the first by voting for Tittus I realise that Dadi may simply have been a convenient scapegoat to throw her weight behind.
Which brings me to Romice. Romice was last to vote for Smiles in the first round, thus ensuring a 3-way tie. Then in the 2nd round she was first to vote for Cmoe. She changed her vote to Tittus after it was clear that no one further was going to vote for Cmoe and at the very least a 2-way tie was going to occur between Moonae and Tittus and I had also pointed out my dim view of anyone who had voted for my ally, Cmoe. However, I have to admit that I doubt two spies would have voted straight off for Cmoe because it would then look bad when she was discovered to be innocent. Since we know that Moonae was a spy, as with Dadi, that would suggest that Romice was just a convenient person to throw her weight behind, knowing that if Cmoe was voted off then Romice might be considered more culpable for starting the vote and thus the spy.
With regard to Cmoe, the spies had to be playing a very daring game for Moonae to have voted for her so early in round 2 when there really was no need for it. Cmoe has consistently voted with me and whilst this would be a good cover for a spy, in Round 2, she would have been voting for both her fellow spies.
Hero, Dragon and Fylimar are all good in my reckoning so far as the original Grinch is concerned for reasons already stated above or in my previous post. I am not concerning myself about the new Grinch at present, preferring to concentrate on the old one.
I've also just realised that Leliana is still with us so it is possible she has checked out some of the people mentioned already, which would at least discount them as the original Grinch. I hope the Grinches didn't get her as her investigations could prove vital in finding the turncoat.
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Post by TheHeroOfFerelden on Jan 19, 2018 15:20:05 GMT
I am also torn between romice and dadi... I'd like to delay my vote a bit, but since taking initiative in the previous round seems to have worked fine, I'll be voting for romice to add a bit of variety
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Jan 19, 2018 16:44:58 GMT
Honestly, with my inactivity, I would suspect myself too. I don't really have much to defend myself either, besides that I voted out Moonae last round. But everyone did, pretty much. Since I can't give hints, all I can really say is that I am innocent. You may well be but you and only one other is on my suspect list. Do you suspect anyone yourself? Only Romice, because numerous people keep mentioning them as a suspect and I haven't had the time to do any investigating myself. So I'm guessing they haven't used a power/have yet to prove their role like myself. I have yet to as well, but I might as well tonight. Especially since someone innocent switched and everything is pretty much up in the air.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 19, 2018 17:18:41 GMT
Only Romice, because numerous people keep mentioning them as a suspect and I haven't had the time to do any investigating myself. So I'm guessing they haven't used a power/have yet to prove their role like myself. I have yet to as well, but I might as well tonight. Especially since someone innocent switched and everything is pretty much up in the air. It is true that outside of the puppies we have seen very little action from other people either in the night or during the day, although the majority of abilities are only used at night. Now if Cole is present he could be very useful because he can mimic anyone's ability either day or night-time. I guess he didn't mimic Cullen last night because he'd have no idea who to protect. Of course if he was turned we have lost that option. I honestly hope the spies go for Dorian (if he is present) tonight as I'd dearly love to see him use his ability just once.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 17:19:19 GMT
Current Votes: dadithinkimgay 4 votes romice 2 votes
Still to Vote: 3. dadithinkimgay 10. gervaise21
Edit: Space I found dragon's vote. Who else? Aha more...
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jan 19, 2018 17:23:28 GMT
adonniel you better read this page again. Several of those voted.
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Post by pelassarias on Jan 19, 2018 19:17:46 GMT
Thanks for the clarification guys! In that case, dragon isn't as suspicious to me as she was previously, but she is still on my radar since it's still possible she could be either spy. Also romice made a good point that gervaise could have turned since this player is the least suspicious. But if I were the old spy, I would have tried to either turn someone who I thought was Leliana, Vivienne, Cole, or Dorian and left Blackwall to his wooden carvings.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 19, 2018 19:25:18 GMT
I may be wrong here but I think I may have worked out the poem; if it refers to a role and not a person that is. Could it be Dorian? Varric calls him "sparkles" and his ability is connected to him being eliminated during the night, which is why the poem suggests he comes to the fore then. If I'm right then that means either Dorian was never in the game and someone has been impersonating him (I've not picked up on any clues but may be someone else has) or Dorian was the one who was turned. Which would be really disappointing as I was only recently saying I would like to see Dorian use his ability. However, may be I had a premonition. He does seem another doomed role.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 19, 2018 19:37:42 GMT
An alternative and rather more disturbing interpretation would be that the sun is the symbol of the Maker so it is someone connected with him who does their best work at night, shining to illuminate and reveal the spies to the heroes. In other words it was Leliana who was turned. Sigh. Mind you it doesn't make an earthly bit of difference to me whether I'm right or not since I have absolutely no idea who either one might be.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 19, 2018 21:49:47 GMT
Okay, here's my problem, having read through my own resume of suspicions again and looked back over the various posts by people I accuse, I am left with a rather large problem. The amount of actual evidence I have against Dadi and Romice is actually quite small and really largely circumstantial but the amount of evidence I have against Space is actually quite large and his behaviour over the first two voting rounds was rather erratic.
I've already drawn attention to the way he encouraged first a 3 way and then a 4 way tie. It is quite possible than none of those people being targeted was a spy, in which case it was to the spies benefit to cast the net as wide as possible in the hope of catching a big fish, which is what they did. They had no way of knowing that Adonniel was going to give useful presents to the survivors.
Then 2nd voting round Space opts for Smiles again saying he has no real suspects to mind. When challenged he says he was just teasing Smiles and would change when a better target came up. An experienced player like Space does not make joke votes in the 2nd round of voting. That is the time to settle down and look for real suspects, voting accordingly. After Hero voted for Moonae he expressed doubts about Moonae and Tittus but importantly he did not change his vote. Ah, I hear you say, but look he was targeting Moonae and Tittus. Not necessarily. If he had really been suspicious then he would have voted for one of them. Then after Romice had expressed suspicions of Cmoe and Cmoe had expressed suspicions of Space, he started saying that he was suspicious of Cmoe, totally ignoring his formerly expressed suspicion of the other two. Then despite the fact that it became a choice between Moonae and Tittus he remained uncommitted.
Now Moonae initially changed her vote to Space but I wonder if the whole thing was stage managed to make him seem less suspicious. It was noticeable that she threw in practically every name of a person already under suspicion or voted for by other people in order to try and direct a vote to them, including Tittus, but there was a particular emphasis on Romice and then she voted for Space even though at that point she knew he had absolutely no votes. Then she started some preamble about how it was a bad decision but even if she changed then Space might come in and make it a tied vote. Reasonable enough I suppose given his behaviour in the previous round but then Space assured her he would not. This all seemed very odd. Had Space not been suspicious of Moonae, so why was he doing deals with her when he was in no danger himself but she had voted for him? Would that not have made him more suspicious of her rather than less?
After Tittus and Moonae had both been revealed as spies Space then mentioned suspicions Cmoe again and of Dadi and Romice, even though he had never previously indicated any suspicion of them but he knew that several of us had. There was nothing more to go on with Dadi than there had been after the first round, so why the sudden suspicion? He had had plenty of opportunity to be suspicious of Romice before but never said anything about it. It was odd that he would be suspicious of Romice and Cmoe since Romice had originally voted for her. When it came to voting he said that he was voting for Dadi and that he still had suspicions of Cmoe. What had changed about Romice?
There just seems to have been no consistency at all with his suspicions or his voting behaviour. It is very hard to have suspicions of Space because he is such a nice guy and that shaggy dog invites trust and it may be that I am guilty of the same attitude as I complain about for other people, namely I invariably seem to end up accusing Space at some point because I know he can be a crafty fox, but I am just struggling to justify voting for one of the other two when I have so much more reason to vote for Space.
Could someone help me out here please?
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Post by cmoe on Jan 19, 2018 23:35:51 GMT
Not sure this will help you gervaise21 but I know Space was innocent at least before the grinching. You can trust your dance partner still!
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jan 20, 2018 0:04:21 GMT
*Pours a glass of Antivan brandy.* Well well. *Take a sip.* That's very impressive reasoning, Gervaise. Very interesting and creative interpretation of the facts I must say. And here I was thinking Dragon was the most likely suspect for grinching, to take her double ability out of play. It almost sounds like you are trying to frame me. You wouldn't do that, would you? Blackwall certainly wouldn't. In fact, as you say, you talked Moonae into changing her vote from me to her own ally. You are still Blackwall, aren't you? After all, you used your ability. Or, well, at least you said you did. After the fact.See, if I had been Blackwall, I'd have totally bluffed. If I had my ability I'd 'confess' that I used it already, then laughed when the grinching failed. Alas, you are not me, and chose a different approach. I suspect you had unfortunately already burned your ability, which is why you remained silent. But, wait! There's something about my behaviour you didn't notice. Or maybe noticed but didn't want to draw attention to before, but now, since you've had a 'change of heart', you want to gloss over it. My apologies, if you are indeed still Blackwall, but you've made a mistake. I can't possibly be an original spy. *Sips his brandy, then gestures with it.* You see, the behaviour you missed/forgot/left out was how I occasionally mentioned to one person that I trust them. Or I left small hints as to my identity, that only they would recognize. And they in turn would realize that I might be the role I can't outwardly claim. My apologies, I couldnt do that with you, for reasons that may become clear once my role is revealed. I say occasionally, but anyone reading back would see that I did this four times. Four people, four mornings. Four people who know that at least before the grinching, I was a hero. *Takes another sip of brandy* But a recently turned spy woudn't want to reveal that, would they? *Swirls the brandy in his glass. Takes another sip* No, I'm afraid its far too late in the game to frame me. It was a very good try though. I especially liked your interpretation of Adonniels poem. Very creative. And hey, its likely those four people missed my hints entirely. They were mostly very vague. But you can bet after reading this they will be reading back. And they will trust that, at least before the grinching, what I said was true. So, sure, go ahead, raise a mob against me, if you can. Save your new ally. But alas, it will be temporary. If I'm voted out or killed in the night then everyone remaining will know what I said was true. And you will look very very guilty. Dadi and Cmoe are the only two candidates for the 'Queeniest grinch'. Alas, Dad might be innocent, after all, one of them is, and the innocent one is a very unlikely target for grinching. Romice is not one of the original grinches, I'm confident in saying. Oh, and wouldnt it be ironic if one of the ones who trusted me was Josephine? *Drains his glass, sits back and puts his feet up.*
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jan 20, 2018 0:13:03 GMT
Not sure this will help you gervaise21 but I know Space was innocent at least before the grinching. You can trust your dance partner still! Thank you Cmoe. For what its worth, even though I say you are one of the possibilities, I don't believe you are a spy. Time will tell though. I hope Dadi is actually guilty
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Post by dragontartare on Jan 20, 2018 2:53:36 GMT
And hey, its likely those four people missed my hints entirely. I definitely didn't miss it I didn't want to call attention to it, though.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 20, 2018 9:19:16 GMT
Act in haste, repent at leisure. Perhaps I was a bit ahead of myself last night in voicing my suspicions against you, Space, as an ORIGINAL Grinch. I mentioned over on the Citadel that I do my best thinking at night, so may be I should have slept on it. Except that in attacking me Space you have resolved a dilemma. You see, if the spies hadn't worked out who you were before turning, then you would still be a hero and it would be a mistake for me to reveal you.
However, given my second interpretation of the poem is that Leliana has been turned and I think that is who you are (am I right other people?), I think it is safe to do so. I would add to the evidence of the interpretation of the poem that the Angel usually goes on top of the tree and would replace the star. Adonniel said that the ornament to whom she refers will be put in place of the star when they are revealed.
If you are Leliana then that explains your odd behaviour and constant changing of your suspicions as you steadily investigate people. It still doesn't really explain the 4 way tie thing except if at that point you had investigated none of those people, then may be you thought it was a helpful method of eliminating people from your list. Then your "deal" with Moonae was just to throw the spies off the scent and avoid their notice a bit longer because after all there was no longer a Cullen to protect you. I've been a bit slow in picking up the hints but I have a lot on my plate at the moment IRL as well as coping with the other investigation, which is equally tense, so that may be why the brain isn't firing on all cylinders during the day, plus I tend not to look for clues and hints now in Skyhold because I thought we were not allowed to give them. Clearly a mistake on my part since other people seem to pick up on them, including the spies, but there you go.
Cmoe seems convinced of your innocence before this round, so either I have got it wrong you are not Leliana and Cmoe is, which would explain why you have been casting suspicion at her, or she was simply better at working out your "clues" before I was. Of course Cmoe could also be Cole and have used his ability to mimic Leliana and investigate Space, about whom Cmoe had suspicions back in round 2 of voting.
I said we ought to concentrate on voting out the real spy before the turned one and in some ways I still hold to that but I need some more information from Adonniel before settling on someone else.
Firstly: Those gifts you gave out. You said a while back that they were only valid for one round, apart from the double ability one. Did I understand that correctly? Otherwise, you gave Dadi the gift of "Life and protection from abilities" Was life just protection from elimination overnight or voting off during the day? If the latter then voting for Dadi will prove nothing, neither his innocence nor Space's since he will just use his gift and today's voting will be null and void.
Second: When Leliana investigates someone is it still the same as it was for me and you are not simply told their status of hero but their role as well? So in the first game when I investigated Dragon I was told she was Blackwall and when I investigated Serza I was told he was Josephine. If that is still the case then a turned Leliana would know not only who was innocent (as all the Grinches do) but what their role is. That is 4 nights' worth of investigations that a turned Leliana can use (or 3 if she was not allowed the information she asked for last night). So if Dadi does not have his gift any more and has hinted he has yet to use his ability, then may be a turned Leliana knows who he is and why the spies would want to VOTE him off.
Now does everyone understand why I am so concerned that we get this right? Of course, if I am wrong and everyone has worked out that Space is someone completely different then I am currently looking very foolish, I may have outed the real Leliana and everyone may turn on me and vote me off. If you do I won't hold it against you but you would be making a horrible mistake because I have not been turned.
At the end of the day, it comes down to who do you trust more? Me or Space?
P.S. If that glass of Antivan Brandy is meant to indicate you are Josephine and not Leliana then I guess you will direct all votes to me anyway Space and prove your innocence that way, if you truly believe I am turned. However, I don't believe you do because I think you are the turncoat.
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Post by TheHeroOfFerelden on Jan 20, 2018 9:50:01 GMT
Act in haste, repent at leisure. Perhaps I was a bit ahead of myself last night in voicing my suspicions against you, Space, as an ORIGINAL Grinch. I mentioned over on the Citadel that I do my best thinking at night, so may be I should have slept on it. Except that in attacking me Space you have resolved a dilemma. You see, if the spies hadn't worked out who you were before turning, then you would still be a hero and it would be a mistake for me to reveal you.
However, given my second interpretation of the poem is that Leliana has been turned and I think that is who you are (am I right other people?), I think it is safe to do so. I would add to the evidence of the interpretation of the poem that the Angel usually goes on top of the tree and would replace the star. Adonniel said that the ornament to whom she refers will be put in place of the star when they are revealed.
If you are Leliana then that explains your odd behaviour and constant changing of your suspicions as you steadily investigate people. It still doesn't really explain the 4 way tie thing except if at that point you had investigated none of those people, then may be you thought it was a helpful method of eliminating people from your list. Then your "deal" with Moonae was just to throw the spies off the scent and avoid their notice a bit longer because after all there was no longer a Cullen to protect you. I've been a bit slow in picking up the hints but I have a lot on my plate at the moment IRL as well as coping with the other investigation, which is equally tense, so that may be why the brain isn't firing on all cylinders during the day, plus I tend not to look for clues and hints now in Skyhold because I thought we were not allowed to give them. Clearly a mistake on my part since other people seem to pick up on them, including the spies, but there you go.
Cmoe seems convinced of your innocence before this round, so either I have got it wrong you are not Leliana and Cmoe is, which would explain why you have been casting suspicion at her, or she was simply better at working out your "clues" before I was. Of course Cmoe could also be Cole and have used his ability to mimic Leliana and investigate Space, about whom Cmoe had suspicions back in round 2 of voting.
I said we ought to concentrate on voting out the real spy before the turned one and in some ways I still hold to that but I need some more information from Adonniel before settling on someone else.
Firstly: Those gifts you gave out. You said a while back that they were only valid for one round, apart from the double ability one. Did I understand that correctly? Otherwise, you gave Dadi the gift of "Life and protection from abilities" Was life just protection from elimination overnight or voting off during the day? If the latter then voting for Dadi will prove nothing, neither his innocence nor Space's since he will just use his gift and today's voting will be null and void.
Second: When Leliana investigates someone is it still the same as it was for me and you are not simply told their status of hero but their role as well? So in the first game when I investigated Dragon I was told she was Blackwall and when I investigated Serza I was told he was Josephine. If that is still the case then a turned Leliana would know not only who was innocent (as all the Grinches do) but what their role is. That is 4 nights' worth of investigations that a turned Leliana can use (or 3 if she was not allowed the information she asked for last night). So if Dadi does not have his gift any more and has hinted he has yet to use his ability, then may be a turned Leliana knows who he is and why the spies would want to VOTE him off.
Now does everyone understand why I am so concerned that we get this right? Of course, if I am wrong and everyone has worked out that Space is someone completely different then I am currently looking very foolish, I may have outed the real Leliana and everyone may turn on me and vote me off. If you do I won't hold it against you but you would be making a horrible mistake because I have not been turned.
At the end of the day, it comes down to who do you trust more? Me or Space?
P.S. If that glass of Antivan Brandy is meant to indicate you are Josephine and not Leliana then I guess you will direct all votes to me anyway Space and prove your innocence that way, if you truly believe I am turned. However, I don't believe you do because I think you are the turncoat. I do not have a certain suspicion against the old pupper(then again,i'm not really the one to go back to the thread,analyze every post and then write an extensive essay on who seems the most suspicious based and his/her usage of emojis ),but if you're willing to vote for him ,i'm similarly willing to make the leap of faith for a fellow Grey Warden and follow you,gerv,as you previously did for me! If it really turns out he's not that innocent,well,we have a recurring theme of him being a villain in almost every game
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 20, 2018 10:18:20 GMT
Thank you, Hero. I won't be taking any action until I get those answers from Adonniel. During round one I was very unhappy about that 4 way tie but by the time I returned to the thread to discover it had occurred, Adonniel had already closed the voting so I could do nothing about it. So I'm not going to risk the same thing happening now because those answers could influence how I finally vote.
I have to admit I'm a bit obsessive when it comes to attention to detail, which is why I'm kicking myself for not picking up on various hints that Space and others are said to have given over the course of the game. Also, I hate voting off innocent people, particularly in the way it often happens in the early rounds because it just does seem a case of people letting someone else take the plunge and then jumping on to absolve themselves of guilt, like a wolf pack going for the kill. However, I equally hate the split vote unless it is genuinely a case where two people have equal reason for people to be suspicious of them, not simply lets cover as many bases as possible and hope we're lucky. That's why I'm more comfortable with later rounds when it is more about trying to reason through things logically than simply random chance. I don't always get it right but at least I am happy that I got it wrong for the right reasons, if that makes any sense and I have got it right more than I have got it wrong, as those innocent people rescued from the vote (or not in your case) will attest. I may have changed my vote from Moonae this game but only because I had a viable alternative in Tittus and of course it turned out they were both spies, as I had suspected, so I was on a win/win either way.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jan 20, 2018 10:30:13 GMT
Well, I figure I'll be dead overnight anyway, since the spies, at least, know I wasn't turned. But here's something to think about. Say, hypothetically, Leliana investigated one of her suspects, Romice, lets say, and then the same night got grinched. Note, we've established that leliana as indeed leliana prior to grinching, and had identified Romice as the one of three specific people who could be a spy before the grinching. Why would the now spy exonerate Romice, when she could use her as a convenient scapegoat? Or if Romice was in fact the other spy after all, could just let Dadi get voted out naturally since most of the votes seem to be going that way anyway. But as I said, get me voted out now if you wish. It's only yourself you are framing, once my current status is revealed. And there's one more night to investigate. One night in which your innocence could be proven, if I'm telling the truth. If you were still blackwall, wouldn't you rather allow me the chance to prove you innocent? But of course you aren't so cannot allow me that chance. Voting for Smiles was a convenient cover. A way to 'abstain' because I knew no one would follow me on the vote. Luckily I was right about that. Plus I was trolling him. I wanted to see if he would notice. I was not as instrumental in setting up that four way tie as you make it seem. All I did as observe that it was a possibility. It was Serza that said lets go for it, and Moonae went along with it. And, as we know, Serza was Cullen. First round shenanigans aren't really something we can hold against anyone. All I was really sure about at the time was Fylimar. Dadis protection was only good for the day after that gift was given out, I think. Perhaps adonniel can confirm that. I submit to the others: Dadi is the spy, Vote him out now, then see what happens overnight. Most likely I will be eliminated. Then the rest of you will know who to vote for next.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 20, 2018 10:34:22 GMT
A Third question for Adonniel:
If Leliana is turned on the 4th night does she still get the information from that night? Or does she only have the information available to her from the previous 3 nights? Thank you.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jan 20, 2018 10:41:59 GMT
Thank you, Hero. I won't be taking any action until I get those answers from Adonniel. During round one I was very unhappy about that 4 way tie but by the time I returned to the thread to discover it had occurred, Adonniel had already closed the voting so I could do nothing about it. So I'm not going to risk the same thing happening now because those answers could influence how I finally vote. I have to admit I'm a bit obsessive when it comes to attention to detail, which is why I'm kicking myself for not picking up on various hints that Space and others are said to have given over the course of the game. Also, I hate voting off innocent people, particularly in the way it often happens in the early rounds because it just does seem a case of people letting someone else take the plunge and then jumping on to absolve themselves of guilt, like a wolf pack going for the kill. However, I equally hate the split vote unless it is genuinely a case where two people have equal reason for people to be suspicious of them, not simply lets cover as many bases as possible and hope we're lucky. That's why I'm more comfortable with later rounds when it is more about trying to reason through things logically than simply random chance. I don't always get it right but at least I am happy that I got it wrong for the right reasons, if that makes any sense and I have got it right more than I have got it wrong, as those innocent people rescued from the vote (or not in your case) will attest. I may have changed my vote from Moonae this game but only because I had a viable alternative in Tittus and of course it turned out they were both spies, as I had suspected, so I was on a win/win either way. You know, if you are really innocent, the real spies are rubbing their hands in glee. They may take you out, then frame me for it. Then two proven heroes are out of the game, and the rest are no further ahead on who to vote for, with one full day night cycle gone. Then the numbers would be 4 heroes to two spies. Much better odds. At least they could confidently vote out Dadi as the proven spy by the time I'm gone. With Cmoe revealing her status pretty much, that only leaves Dadi. Or Josephine could see it my way and simply vote out dadi now and be done with it. or vote me out and be done with that. I think that's a much safer option. Good thing I know who Josie is
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jan 20, 2018 10:53:04 GMT
A Third question for Adonniel: If Leliana is turned on the 4th night does she still get the information from that night? Or does she only have the information available to her from the previous 3 nights? Thank you. I suspect the answer is Leliana would still get the info. Buut.. Leliana wasn't turned Really, anyone could have been turned. But you badly want it pin it on me and no one else. If its established your prior suspicions were unfounded, then I shouldn't be any more of a suspect than anyone else.
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Post by fylimar on Jan 20, 2018 10:58:49 GMT
Just a short trip in here, before going back to bed (for Hero, who isn't in the ME-game: I have catched a cold and am mostly lying down at the moment, so sorry for not participating as much as normally). But the last posts from space and gervaise kept me thinking .
First of all: Space I did get your hint and I trusted you and from what you wrote, I still trust you and I'm sure now, that I did the right thing in voting dadi. I hear you...
Gervaise: nice posts as always. I do think, I can trust you too and you are right: we should find the original spy first. I love your eye for details, that's why you've got the nickname Sherlock from me :-). But please do trust space this time.
So, off to bed again, I will pop in later, to see, how it goes
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 20, 2018 11:04:01 GMT
Most likely I will be eliminated. Then the rest of you will know who to vote for next. Not good enough. Mostly likely leaves the excuse that if you are not eliminated then the spies just went for someone else or that someone protected you. Also there is nothing in the rules, I think, that the Grinch couldn't eliminate you overnight in order to throw suspicion directly onto me. I then get voted off automatically the following day. You are clearly claiming the role of Leliana openly. Why do that now after hiding yourself the rest of the time? You could have sat back as you have done previously up to now, let someone else lead the voting against Dadi but you stepped forward and took the lead. As for the comment about Romice, well I'm still waiting for Adonniel's answer on that but an alternative explanation would be that Romice is the spy and so you would naturally want to remove her as a suspect because you were only revealing your knowledge after you had been turned. Also, and here is the really clever part if you are a turned Leliana, what if Dadi is the spy? We vote him off and no one doubts you as Leliana. So everyone you subsequently point to as "turned" will be eliminated. May be first round subsequently you will say you aren't sure but point to someone innocent, then another, until everyone is eliminated but you and the spies win. Everyone was saying why did Adonniel give us a clue about a role when we are not allowed clues and no one knows who is who? Because apparently most people apart from thicko me did including the spies. There is only one role that clue would have been useful to us for and that was the role of Leliana, the absolutely worst person to be turned by the spies. Either that or Adonniel is a really wicked kitty to have so misled us with her poem.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jan 20, 2018 11:06:18 GMT
Just a short trip in here, before going back to bed (for Hero, who isn't in the ME-game: I have catched a cold and am mostly lying down at the moment, so sorry for not participating as much as normally). But the last posts from space and gervaise kept me thinking . First of all: Space I did get your hint and I trusted you and from what you wrote, I still trust you and I'm sure now, that I did the right thing in voting dadi. I hear you... Gervaise: nice posts as always. I do think, I can trust you too and you are right: we should find the original spy first. I love your eye for details, that's why you've got the nickname Sherlock from me :-). But please do trust space this time. So, off to bed again, I will pop in later, to see, how it goes Thank you Fyl, get well soon! You know, there is still the odd chance that Cmoe and someone else are the spies, and are playing us all really well. I highly doubt it but if that's the case they deserve to win.
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