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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 19:21:12 GMT
In this game we say the player is 'eliminated' not 'killed' just to make it sound nicer. But it doesn't change the fact that spies murder someone each night and that person gets dead.
The same way I used the term 'haunt' just to make it sound nicer. It's just a nice way of saying that Flori shows up at midnight in someones house and stabs them.
I believe Moon had asked about this at the very start of the game before the players had signed up and I clarified, but maybe my clarification was no good. In any case, not everyone reads new role descriptions, more so conversations in between two players about these roles. I admit that I don't always do so either. So, it's a new role and Gerva interpreted it this way.
My behaviour would have differed during the voting round since I understood this role in the way I introduced it and I feel mislead by what the role does. But, since it was a misunderstanding there is no point in altering anything at present.
However, I would appreciate knowing in advance if there are any changes to the regular role descriptions. As the person who created the game, this is one of the changes I did not want made. I would like to keep the special abilities as they are introduced on the first page without alterations please.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 19:21:53 GMT
Ah, this actually explains why Moonae wasn't really defending herself. Well, she still fooled me, so congrats on the win Moonae! Also, personally gervaise, I like your version of Flori a tad bit better, although the old version is more traditional for the jester role. So I say keep it! I do not get a say in this? As we have not tried the version I have attempted to introduce perhaps that judgement can be withheld until we have tried it. I like my version better. So I would rather stick to my interpretation for this game and have Florianne curse the person and then Killer Florianne can be reinstated the next game. Please let me know what you think. That's all right with me. For this game as there is no point for turning it back. But I can't say I appreciate being mislead during the game round since I've anticipated Flori to do something else. It was a misunderstanding, however.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 17, 2018 20:06:27 GMT
I want everyone to be happy going forward. Regardless of whether people like my version or not, if the majority understood that "haunt" meant "kill", then I will reinstate it. The two words are not the same but looking back through the posts I see that this was discussed and I simply must have missed it. So may be Space and I were the only people who were unaware of the potential of the role.
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Post by Moonae on Feb 17, 2018 20:13:22 GMT
Is it just about the power set or something about how I played the role? If it's just the power then I don't really see how it would have affected the voting round. If it's the latter, than that's on me not Gerva.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Feb 17, 2018 20:27:06 GMT
I want everyone to be happy going forward. Regardless of whether people like my version or not, if the majority understood that "haunt" meant "kill", then I will reinstate it. The two words are not the same but looking back through the posts I see that this was discussed and I simply must have missed it. So may be Space and I were the only people who were unaware of the potential of the role. Is it just about the power set or something about how I played the role? If it's just the power then I don't really see how it would have affected the voting round. If it's the latter, than that's on me not Gerva. I guess if the spies didnt vote for Moonae, her elimination under the other rules would have eliminated another hero, one of those voting Moonae. So Adonniels (correct) version of the rule would have benefited the spies more in that case. I would not have guessed haunt means eliminate either. I'm not sure which interpretation I'd prefer really. This is a bit reminiscent of my mistake(s) in the citadel thing, although mine had worse ramifications. If I had a vote, I'd say leave it the way it is this time. What's done is done. More importantly, please try not to let it bother you too much. Rookie GM, etc
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 21:21:49 GMT
Dang, you guys are tough. And I was so excited about this role too. Been waiting to introduce it for a month while the previous game was running. Everyone hates the role as a result and wants it changed before it even had a chance to be tested. This suuuuckks.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 17, 2018 21:55:46 GMT
Everyone hates the role as a result and wants it changed before it even had a chance to be tested. I wouldn't say everyone hates the role. Next game the role can revert to what it should have been with the full consequences. When even the person playing the role wasn't clear about what happened if they are voted off, it seems likely other people weren't either. You say your voting might have differed if you'd known it wouldn't result in death for one of the voters, well may be other people's voting might have differed if they had known it would. Certainly, if I'd been playing instead of acting as GM, I would have been more wary about the Florianne role if I thought she could potentially kill me. So all things considered, I think it may be safer to stick with the non lethal version just this once because it seems fairer if people don't die as a result of my mistake. Then next game the correct version of Florianne can be used as everyone will know from the beginning what to expect.
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Post by fylimar on Feb 17, 2018 23:34:56 GMT
I didn't understand haunt as kill either. I thought, haunting means exactly that. But I'm not a native speaker, so maybe I just didn't get it.
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Post by pelassarias on Feb 18, 2018 0:12:54 GMT
Yeah, I can understand how some players might have not known or misinterpreted it at first. After all, haunting could have meant something other than kill. I only assumed it meant kill only because I was already familiar with the jester role. And honestly I don't hate the role whether or not dead jester kills or silences their target. It's a fun role regardless, and I'll be willing to play either version in the current or future games.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 18, 2018 8:52:20 GMT
Please bear with me folks. Having got side-tracked with the controversy over my interpretation of Florianne's role I got a bit behind on my night-time duties. Normal service will be resumed as soon as possible.
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Post by romice on Feb 18, 2018 9:46:15 GMT
I also didn't understand haunt as kill, so no problem gervaise But sure, next game we should revert to how adonniel imagined the role, it seems to have potential to be quite game-changing.
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Post by Serza on Feb 18, 2018 10:27:49 GMT
So we're still all napping then.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 18, 2018 11:59:26 GMT
So we're still all napping then They are waiting on me, friend. Patience is a virtue and all that.
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Post by Serza on Feb 18, 2018 12:00:09 GMT
So we're still all napping then They are waiting on me, friend. Patience is a virtue and all that. Hey, as long as I'm not the one slowing it down...
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 18, 2018 12:04:46 GMT
Hey, as long as I'm not the one slowing it down... No, you're good here. How about popping over to the Citadel and lodging a vote?
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Post by Serza on Feb 18, 2018 12:30:53 GMT
Shiiiiit.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 19, 2018 8:11:31 GMT
Once again I apologise for the delay but I think you will appreciate that quite a bit has been going on during the night and I wanted to get it right. ------ Varric was just polishing his beloved Bianca before retiring for the night when he heard a gentle knock on his door.
“Come in.” He looked up to see a friendly face enter the room. “Up late as usual.”
“Yes, I’ve been chatting with Cassandra and she asked me to give you this,” A small box was placed on the table, “As a token of reconciliation between the two of you. See you in the morning.”
Varric opened the box. “Chocolates?” He raised his eyebrows. The Seeker must really be going soft on him. He bit into one. “Hazel nut chocolates! They were his favourite; how did the Seeker know?”
It was only after the third chocolate that the truth dawned on him. The chocolates hadn’t been sent by Cassandra and he needed to visit the privvy, urgently. “Shit,” he declared which was literally true.
Grabbing Bianca (because there was no way he was going to leave his baby unattended) he rushed across the hall. Just before entering the privvy door he caught sight of his night-time visitor retreating into the distance. He raised Bianca and fired.
“Gotcha,” he said with satisfaction. “Good girl, Bianca.”
The eliminated player is: Dragontartare - Varric
The player shot is: Pelassarias - Venatori Agent
The player haunted by Florianne is: Adonniel (she may take part in the discussion but not the vote on Day 3)
DAY 3 is declared.
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Post by Moonae on Feb 19, 2018 11:51:38 GMT
Well, this should be a short round. Kinda sad my haunting isn't really going to affect anything, though.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Feb 19, 2018 13:02:29 GMT
Nice shot dragon varric! Try making that into a nickname. Varrictartare? what made you suspect pela? And welcome to the loo. So pela was the heart breaker? Or the turned one? I guess you know who to vote for.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 19, 2018 13:35:33 GMT
Well, this should be a short round. Kinda sad my haunting isn't really going to affect anything, though Not necessarily. Space's question is a pertinent one. I suggest reading my narrative again and watching developments.
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Post by fylimar on Feb 19, 2018 14:04:30 GMT
Poor Varrictartare. At least you've got lucky.
Nice narrative, gerva
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Post by Space Cowboy on Feb 19, 2018 14:27:50 GMT
Well, this should be a short round. Kinda sad my haunting isn't really going to affect anything, though Not necessarily. Space's question is a pertinent one. I suggest reading my narrative again and watching developments. Right. The friendly face comment suggests pela was a turned hero
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 14:42:47 GMT
Goooo! Oh mighty Dragon! Go! I knew it was suspicious that Pela counter attacked me instead of dropping a role hint. Kinda sad my haunting isn't really going to affect anything, though. That's not how my non-voting mouth filled with super glue feels. My mouth is very useful. I've been plotting to nom candy with it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 14:45:23 GMT
If Pela is HB than we're in good chocolate.
But, if recruited this might be interesting to consider which player was most likely to recruit her.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Feb 19, 2018 14:50:59 GMT
If Pela is HB than we're in good chocolate. But, if recruited this might be interesting to consider which player was most likely to recruit her. Yup. If she was recruited the best bet is still to vote her off because if they vote off a hero instead of hb then tonight there will be a third recruit.
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