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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 1:33:01 GMT
Gervaise is angry because I have suggested during the round when Tittus got voted off to give the players more time for voting. I have already assured her more than once that there was no ill will behind this suggestion and even apologized had my statement not been phrased in a manner that was not kind enough.
However, she still chooses to be mad about it and from this point onward has formed a suspicion that I have zero appreciation for her gm work. Which is not true.
We were arguing about the game dynamics as well, which probably contributed to her impression. But, in this case this is what both Dragon and Pela have noted, I felt attacked as well.
I've been expecting to host the game round following this one before this game had even started because I've promised long ago to run a round where we have minor characters or 'villager' roles in play who don't have special abilities - Luke all the way back had suggested it. I wanted to run this one.
Me wanting to get my game back after this game ends has nothing to do with our argument. I hugely don't appreciate it that Gerva has twisted this statement into me being vindictive and kicking her out of the gm position.
I want my game back following this round because I have plans for it, not because of some reason she imagined that involves offending her.
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Post by dragontartare on Feb 20, 2018 2:29:57 GMT
Gervaise is angry because I have suggested during the round when Tittus got voted off to give the players more time for voting. Didn't that blow over some time ago, though? It seemed to, at least publicly. I want my game back following this round because I have plans for it That seems fair. It is your game Gervaise or whoever wants to should feel free to keep Citadel for the time being, though
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 2:39:32 GMT
Didn't that blow over some time ago, though? It seemed to, at least publicly. Apparently it didn't since this event leads to Gerva rolling out a carpet of complaints that I'm supposedly constantly criticizing her gm abilities and ends with her telling me to shut up and let her run the game as she wants. Thank you ever so much. I really appreciate someone borrowing a game which I have put a lot of effort into creating, criticizing the shit out of it, and then telling me to GTFO because my opinion is apparently all about being out to get someone. If she wants my opinions gone that's fine by me. I'm not the one who kicked me out. I've never said that she's a bad gm. Go and check the thread, you'll see me complimenting her in fact. The one who began nitpicking on all the roles and rules out of the blue is her.
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Post by fylimar on Feb 20, 2018 6:41:17 GMT
Sorry to see yet another argument in this games. Maybe everyone should take a step back and relax a bit here.
I have no problem, if a new GM change some things or if things, that are unclear, gets discussed among all players, since then it is more probable to find a solution, most people can live with, like the Florianne question. Imo none of the unclear things are worth fighting over. I'm sorry for Tittus, but he was in a three way tie long before he was voted out, if he had wanted, he could have defend himself. But it is hard to say something, if you are Cullen, so he might not even have said anything anyway.
I for my part will probably not sign up after this for a while, it is just too much drama at the moment, time to cool down, and I have real life stuff to deal with, which needs my focus.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 20, 2018 8:09:25 GMT
I notice how Adonniel only starts to defend herself after I have stated I was going to bed and so could not defend myself. I would say that there is often a difference between the way a person acts in public and the way they conduct themselves over PM. Adonniel has painted herself as a saint in public and tries to maintain that her words to me about the future running of the game were just what was going to happen anyway. Well her private words made it quite clear that it was not simply me handing back the reins but that I was not going to be allowed to run things in the future. Why did Adonniel refuse to continue playing with me in charge if she was not being vindictive?
Whilst it is possible to consult the former GM over general issues when they are playing, it is difficult to do so about actual characters without alerting them to the fact they are in play. When it comes to a new role that is even more problematic. I did not change the role of Florianne deliberately. I interpreted the character description in a way contrary to how Adonniel had envisaged the role. I have never played this sort of game before so am not familiar with the stock roles involved. I based my interpretation on the meaning of words. It was the same with Cassandra. Other people, who may not be native English speakers (so ambiguity of meaning is even more of a problem), have interpreted the roles in the same way as me. Adonniel was complaining to me because she says she would have acted differently if she knew I was going to change the role. I feel other players might have acted differently if they appreciated certain roles would behave differently from how the words suggested. Adonniel also stated the following on PM when I was setting up the game:
"As GM you're welcome to set up your own set of rules, just post them before the game starts."
She has since back tracked from this and maintains this didn't apply to how characters are managed, even though I repeat I was not intending changing them, simply interpreted the character in a different way from Adonnniel based off the character description that she had made.
I have previously been very supportive of Adonniel both in pubic and in private, which is why the current attacks hurt so much. I would also point out that the game wouldn't even be running this round if I hadn't offered to run it as Adonniel was originally saying she was going to take a break from both games but changed her mind late in the day. I took it on with a new character and the new Heart Breaker rules, which is what Adonniel wanted. She could simply have left me to run it with the existing characters and rules and introduced her new ideas when she was GM again if having them interpreted a certain way was so important to her. The idea of random choice in the first round was my idea and I believe that without that there is a strong possibility that the Heart Breaker would have been identified the first night and it would have been game over on Day 1. So not all my ideas are bad. I now feel rather shabbily treated by Adonniel when I was just trying to help out and keep things running when she didn't want to.
I will see this game out because I am not a quitter and do not leave people in the lurch with a job half finished. Sadly, though, I will not be taking part again once it is done.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 20, 2018 10:06:05 GMT
I'm not the one who kicked me out. Well I certainly wasn't. You were the one who said you didn't want to play after this round.
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Post by Serza on Feb 20, 2018 11:30:42 GMT
We done arguing? Let me know which pages toa void afterwards.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 20, 2018 12:40:14 GMT
I don't know how much more space is available on this one but it would certainly seem like 133 is best avoided. I'm sorry for prolonging the argument but after being slated overnight I felt the need to offer a defence. ------
Now getting back to the game. Have you anything you wish to add to the voting debate? Do you agree about simply voting off Pelassarias or have you a different strategy in mind? Any ideas about whether Pela is the Heart Breaker or not?
If not, then it seems it would probably be a good idea to tie up this day's voting fairly quickly so we can move on.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 20, 2018 12:46:27 GMT
Day 3 Voting:
Pelassarias 2 Romice 1
Still to vote: Catilinia Obsidian Gryphon Serza
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 14:32:21 GMT
She could simply have left me to run it with the existing characters and rules and introduced her new ideas when she was GM again if having them interpreted a certain way was so important to her. As the person who creates a certain game, when I am handing the game over to a temporary GM, I'm aware that this person will have some new ideas. I did my best to be open minded and accommodate this. For example, I am no fan of the hinting rule, but since Gerva wanted it in the game, I said that it's all good with me for her to make certain small changes to the game. We have talked about it and she did post a new set of rules for the game. However, as the person who has created the game, there were other things I did not want changes to be made to. Re-writing the roles in the middle of the game was one of those things. So, yes, as the person who has created the game, I still wish to influence some of the game aspects. When I talk to temporary GM and tell them, 'I'm ok with you changing x and y, but not ok with changing z' I hope that they would take my opinion into consideration because the person who has created the game would feel protective of it regardless. Gerva's reaction to me asking her not to do z, instead of 'ok' I hope for, gets a half a page long, nitpicky criticism, explaining to me in miniature detail a hundred ways in which the z rule sucks, why I suck for supporting it and while at it a few other 'suggestions' for improvement. I asked for two things, to make the voting rounds longer and requested after she made a change to Flori that she would not re-write any other special abilities in the following game rounds. Apparently, these two things in her opinion are considered me criticizing every single thing she does.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 20, 2018 15:11:58 GMT
However, as the person who has created the game, there were other things I did not want changes to be made to. Re-writing the roles in the middle of the game was one of those things Let me repeat. I did not rewrite the role in the middle of the game. I used the role description as written. At the end of round one I had a discussion with Moonae about the role because I thought she was meant to be trying to get voted off and that didn't seem apparent from the first round. Moonae asked me what the penalty would be to the heroes for voting her off because otherwise they would be only too willing to eliminate her. Why did she ask me if it was clear to everyone how the role should behave? I responded that the description said she would "haunt" someone which I took to mean she would prevent them from acting in some way. Why didn't Moonae say "Oh, I thought she was going to kill someone?" Clearly because like me she hadn't realised you thought the word "kill" was synonymous with "haunt" which in fact it isn't. So as at the time of handing over the role you had still been using the word "haunt", I assumed that some penalty that fell short of killing would apply. That was not me trying to change the role but simply trying to deal with a situation when it arose. At this point Moonae wasn't even in danger of being voted off and I couldn't consult you because it would have flagged up that Florianne was in the game. I made it clear at the beginning that this should not be assumed because she was one of the floating roles. After Moonae "won" the vote and I announced what the penalty would be, you complained how I had changed the role. I said that it had not been deliberate because I didn't think it was clear in the description that the penalty was to kill someone. I then threw it open to the rest of the players because I wanted to know if they had likewise been unclear about the nature of the role. If everyone had turned round and told me that I was mistaken and they all thought Florianne was potentially going to kill them if they voted her off, then I would have applied that penalty. Instead it was clear that I was not the only person who hadn't realised what the penalty was. Incidentally, if you knew that Moonae was Florianne, as you have claimed to me, and you knew it was a killing role, why did you vote for her? Why did you want her to "win" by voting her off? Weren't you trying to vote off a spy? Why would you put other voters in danger? Would that not be the actions of a spy? These are rhetorical questions because I know the answer and would point out to you again - you cannot know who Florianne will choose to "kill". I have not re-written any of the other special abilities and was in fact careful not to do so. However, I did make the suggestions I did for consideration in the future by you. It is of no importance to me if you ignore them, which I dare say you will.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 18:05:52 GMT
Let me repeat. I did not rewrite the role in the middle of the game. I used the role description as written. You did not explain it as such when I've pmed you. When I saw the role altered, I was not aware that my wording was confusing. Since you've been making a lot of changes to the game, I thought it was done on purpose. Therefore, I've pmed you and asked that you do not make changes to any other roles. I had made no request to change Flori's interpretation back during this round, so there was no need to drag other players into this. Instead of explaining that it was not intentional, you've responded with a horribly aggressive, nitpicky post informing me of the lack of judgement in adding a 'joke' role to the game in general since everyone hates this type of role, then proceeding to criticize in great detail my interpretation of the role itself and while at it adding a bunch of other 'suggestions' where I failed at rules or roles interpretation, to a point where I wished I had never came up with the damn role in the first place and wanted to delete it entirely from the future games. However, I did make the suggestions I did for consideration in the future by you. It is of no importance to me if you ignore them, which I dare say you will. You are not offering suggestions. The way you communicate is extremely pushy and demanding in forwarding your ideas. While promoting your opinion, you're making sure to thoroughly bash and criticize my current ideas, which hardly makes me want to meet you half way. What you call 'suggestions' offered in a less than friendly tone, I perceive as nitpicky and mean spirited criticism, as well as you getting pissed off because you're not getting your way.
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Post by TheHeroOfFerelden on Feb 20, 2018 18:30:14 GMT
This is all just a big misunderstanding between friends and we'll be back to normal soon... Don't fight guys... Please... Don't be stubborn and just make up already... We love you both! *Virtual Hug*
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 20, 2018 20:18:19 GMT
Sorry everyone. I know it isn't any fun for you all watching us fight. Please let's just get on with the game.
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Post by pelassarias on Feb 20, 2018 20:27:59 GMT
Sorry everyone. I know it isn't any fun for you all watching us fight. Please let's just get on with the game. Yes, I think we all have to move on from here if this conflict is not going to be resolved right now, before any else shows disinterest in joining future games due to too much fighting. But I do think what's going between the two of you is what Hollywood likes to call "creative differences" Creatively, the two of you just don't mesh well when working together. You two just run things a bit differently, which is fine, but I honestly hope you two are able to simmer things down for awhile and let bygones be bygones.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 21:30:35 GMT
Sorry everyone. I know it isn't any fun for you all watching us fight. Please let's just get on with the game. We're not fighting. We're resolving creative differences. Serza is about to run out of pop corn. Since we can't have that happen, a truce is in order.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Feb 20, 2018 22:21:15 GMT
I'm glad you two settled things.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 21, 2018 17:04:31 GMT
Day 3 Voting: Pelassarias 2 Romice 1 Still to vote: Catilinia Obsidian Gryphon Serza Please could we have your votes folks.
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Post by fylimar on Feb 21, 2018 17:59:52 GMT
I try some vote motivation: Catilina: Anders begs you to vote - for mages freedoms sake Obsidian Gryphon and Serza: The Kingdom needs Deliverance by your votes Yeah, I know, I'm a bit silly today, we just finished a very hard project in the company and I'm happy to managed it without killing my boss
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Post by Catilina on Feb 21, 2018 18:11:37 GMT
Be it then: my vote is: Serza
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Post by Serza on Feb 21, 2018 19:11:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 19:23:09 GMT
And the sorry chocolate is best eaten together with tea or coffee.
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Post by fylimar on Feb 21, 2018 20:05:03 GMT
And the sorry chocolate is best eaten together with tea or coffee. Are those your cats?
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Post by TheHeroOfFerelden on Feb 21, 2018 20:07:55 GMT
And the sorry chocolate is best eaten together with tea or coffee. Are those your cats? I'm pretty positive one of them is adonniel!
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