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Post by Space Cowboy on Apr 9, 2018 19:15:13 GMT
It's curious. From my Pov, knowing I'm innocent, and being confident Reed is, I'm looking g at 2!spies and a hero among the others.
Reed and I have voted cat I'm perfectly happy yoloing into a tie breaker.
The odd thing is, cat is most definitely a spy. If he was innocent the two spies would have followed my lead.
So that means one of Pela or Romice is a spy and the other innocent.
So why are you both so certain that Cati is innocent?
Why is one of you agreeing with the other on that point so strongly that you would bandwagon each other rather than simply choosing one of the two who are currently tied?
Whichever one of you is actually a hero, please explain this to me?
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Post by romice on Apr 9, 2018 19:20:18 GMT
I almost wish I was this clever as a spy as pela is painting me out to be If I were a spy I wouldn't be so lost at voting. I could seal the vote on cati, but I'm still not sure. If space is a spy then why is pela/cati voting him out? If reed is a spy why isn't he voting space out? From my perspective it now does seem the Cati and Pela are the two evils. I'll sleep on it, see what happens at night, but for now voting either of them seems reasonable.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Apr 9, 2018 19:22:53 GMT
If they both agree he's innocent... it would make sense for them to not vote for him though. Wouldn't it?
But why would Romice vote for Pela instead of with her? The only thing I can gather from that is that they aren't on the same team. lol who is on which team eludes me however.
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Post by pelassarias on Apr 9, 2018 19:25:28 GMT
Okay, I just want to clarify that from my point of view the pairs that are more than likely spies are:
Space/Romice or Cati/Romice.
I have to admit you guys might not trust me if you believe I'm in cahoots with Cati or Reed. The thing is that voting for Cati from my point of view is riskier than voting for Romice or Space. Also I'm the least suspicious of Reed due to the fact that Space put him up for the tiebreaker and he has pointed out that Romice/Cati could be accomplices.
Meanwhile Romice has brought up that me and Space could be in cahoots which is far-fetched. A spy would never throw suspicion to their accomplice and vote for them to the point where two Heroes could vote them off. Too high risk. Also my vote is still on Space and isn't going anywhere unless two players vote for romice. Meanwhile romice has already switched from Space without completely knowing if Space or any other player was going to follow. This is because she knows at least one person will follow her vote (Space or Cati). In contrast, I have no clue whether or not Space, Reed, or Cati will vote for Romice which is why I haven't switched yet.
Also, my theories about her in contrast are not as far fetched. If she's in cahoots with Space, then it's definitely possible that she could have voted for Space initially, then cast suspicion towards another player and later vote for them.
If she's in cahoots with Cati then it's definitely possible that she jumped on my bandwagon, then later voted for me after feeling the pressure from gervaise's posts. Also gervaise made it a bit easy for her to vote for me as well.
So this is ultimately up to whether or not Reed and either Space or Cati trusts me over romice. We shall see what will happen!
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Post by pelassarias on Apr 9, 2018 19:37:23 GMT
I almost wish I was this clever as a spy as pela is painting me out to be If I were a spy I wouldn't be so lost at voting. I could seal the vote on cati, but I'm still not sure. If space is a spy then why is pela/cati voting him out? If reed is a spy why isn't he voting space out? It's very possible that you're pretending to be "lost", but you already know who you are voting for. This could very well be an act. When you were a spy awhile ago, you played up the part of being the novice, so for you to put on another act wouldn't be so surprising. If Space is a spy then it's pretty probable that Cati or me would vote for him since it's not very likely that we're accomplices. And it isn't likely that he's accomplices with Cati either. Reed is the least candidate to be a spy. The reason why he isn't voting for Space is because he doesn't trust that talking bunny and is more suspicious of you and Cati. ETA: Also Space, I am not certain that Cati is innocent. But from my point of view, Romice is more than likely to be a spy. But if Reed is more suspicious of Cati, I will be willing to take the 50/50 shot and vote for Cati. Honestly I trust Reed the most here, so I will more than likely follow his suspicions/vote. ETAA: Also romice claims she's "lost", yet if she was confused why was she so quick to switch her vote? Why wouldn't she try to further discuss this with other players before making a decision, like what reed is doing right now? My point is that her voting pattern and behavior doesn't match with her claim that she's confused and lost.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Apr 9, 2018 19:47:02 GMT
If they both agree he's innocent... it would make sense for them to not vote for him though. Wouldn't it? But why would Romice vote for Pela instead of with her? The only thing I can gather from that is that they aren't on the same team. lol who is on which team eludes me however. Probably not on the same team. Right. Right now I'm thinking "One on the bag is worth two in the bush".
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Post by pelassarias on Apr 9, 2018 21:12:44 GMT
One more thing! I wouldn't believe that romice will switch her vote to Cati. Space if you are innocent, then I doubt she will switch her final vote to her accomplice.
Cati, if you're innocent, Romice voting for you will further implicate the she's in cahoots with Space, since it is unlikely she is in cahoots with me.I wouldn't be currently throwing this much suspicion towards her in hopes that one of you two would vote for her if we were accomplices. I would have been like "Oh, romice could be spy" and left it at that. Also, romice would have either kept her vote towards Space or switched to Cati if we were. So again, I wouldn't believe she's thinking about switching her vote. She's already made up her mind, now it's up to the two Heroes to figure out who they trust the most.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Apr 9, 2018 21:31:45 GMT
I wish Cati would say more in his defense.
As it stands I think our best bet is for all heroes to vote cat. Romice or Pela seem to be protecting him specifically.
Were I a spy I could just agree to pile on someone else as well. But I'm not going to change for now. To me Cati is the safest bet since Reed is probably innocent (I hope) and one of the other two is also innocent.
No one has given me a reason to think otherwise yet.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Apr 9, 2018 21:46:31 GMT
I think it comes down to who do we trust more space... Pela or Romice? (Barring any new evidence via a defense or vote change by Cati)
Pela seems willing to vote for Cati, but even more so for Romice. Which makes her a bit less suspicious (to me), however, her vote is still on you.
Romice seems to be floundering and her votes this round have been for You and Pela.
This means, to me, Romice and Cati (due to lack of defense) are still the most suspicious.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Apr 9, 2018 21:53:17 GMT
I think it comes down to who do we trust more space... Pela or Romice? (Barring any new evidence via a defense or vote change by Cati) Pela seems willing to vote for Cati, but even more so for Romice. Which makes her a bit less suspicious (to me), however, her vote is still on you. Romice seems to be floundering and her votes this round have been for You and Pela. This means, to me, Romice and Cati (due to lack of defense) are still the most suspicious. I'd like to wait it out a bit. Europeans are going to bed soon so cat and Romice may not be back before too long. Pela is making a strong case but she did before too. still in her favour she jumped on me really fast, which is questionable for a spy. The thing is I'd prefer to have a tiebreaker with me and cat to switching and dog piling our ally by mistake. One of the others is a hero. We all need to work together, not split our vote.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Apr 9, 2018 22:01:15 GMT
I think it comes down to who do we trust more space... Pela or Romice? (Barring any new evidence via a defense or vote change by Cati) Pela seems willing to vote for Cati, but even more so for Romice. Which makes her a bit less suspicious (to me), however, her vote is still on you. Romice seems to be floundering and her votes this round have been for You and Pela. This means, to me, Romice and Cati (due to lack of defense) are still the most suspicious. I'd like to wait it out a bit. Europeans are going to bed soon so cat and Romice may not be back before too long. Pela is making a strong case but she did before too. still in her favour she jumped on me really fast, which is questionable for a spy. The thing is I'd prefer to have a tiebreaker with me and cat to switching and dog piling our ally by mistake. One of the others is a hero. We all need to work together, not split our vote. Sounds like a solid plan. We will need to see if Cati brings a defense and what Romice does with her last vote change (if anything). She could technically break the tie in either direction. Pela and I still have 2 switches and you have 1. We should be able to swing the vote the way we need if any more evidence surfaces. If not, a tie would help the heroes more than accidentally getting the wrong person. Better a 50/50 than nothing.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 9, 2018 22:14:43 GMT
I wish Cati would say more in his defense.
As it stands I think our best bet is for all heroes to vote cat. Romice or Pela seem to be protecting him specifically. Were I a spy I could just agree to pile on someone else as well. But I'm not going to change for now. To me Cati is the safest bet since Reed is probably innocent (I hope) and one of the other two is also innocent. No one has given me a reason to think otherwise yet. I'm the hero you need!
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Post by pelassarias on Apr 9, 2018 22:44:41 GMT
I wish Cati would say more in his defense. As it stands I think our best bet is for all heroes to vote cat. Romice or Pela seem to be protecting him specifically. And you seem to be protecting Romice so far. So dogpiling on Cati is just as risky as dogpiling on Romice from Reed's point of view. Putting it to the tiebreaker is risky as well since it's still 50/50. This all comes down to whether or not Reed trusts me or Romice, or if he's the most suspicious of Cati. But if Reed is truly unsure after Romice's and Cati's defense then a tiebreaker will have to suffice.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Apr 9, 2018 23:17:49 GMT
I wish Cati would say more in his defense. As it stands I think our best bet is for all heroes to vote cat. Romice or Pela seem to be protecting him specifically. And you seem to be protecting Romice so far. So dogpiling on Cati is just as risky as dogpiling on Romice from Reed's point of view. Putting it to the tiebreaker is risky as well since it's still 50/50. This all comes down to whether or not Reed trusts me or Romice, or if he's the most suspicious of Cati. But if Reed is truly unsure after Romice's and Cati's defense then a tiebreaker will have to suffice. I'm not protecting Romice any more than I am you or Reed. It's risky to dogpile on you as well, which is why I'm not proposing doing that. The thing is, it is very unlikely that both you and Romice are on the same side, given you are voting each other. That means one of you is good. Now, I trust Reed at the moment, and it would appears he trusts me. That means from both of our perspectives there are two known heroes and one unknown, plus two spies. If Romice and you are targetting each other instead of dogpiling Cati or I, that suggests one of you at least is protecting him. Now if one of you or Romice is good, that means Cati, from both Reed and my perspective, has to be a venatori. I guess it's entirely possible you and Romice are both innocent too, which means Reed has been playing me really well. I doubt it though.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Apr 9, 2018 23:56:46 GMT
I wish Cati would say more in his defense. As it stands I think our best bet is for all heroes to vote cat. Romice or Pela seem to be protecting him specifically. And you seem to be protecting Romice so far. So dogpiling on Cati is just as risky as dogpiling on Romice from Reed's point of view. Putting it to the tiebreaker is risky as well since it's still 50/50. This all comes down to whether or not Reed trusts me or Romice, or if he's the most suspicious of Cati. But if Reed is truly unsure after Romice's and Cati's defense then a tiebreaker will have to suffice. Actually it's just as risky dogpiling on anyone for me at the moment, because while I'm more suspicious of Romice and Cati than I am you or Space, any of you could be the agent as far as I'm concerned. I'm only going by what I've seen. I've already explained why I think those 2 are more suspicious, it's up to you guys whether you also think they are suspicious or not. If I choose the wrong person to try to pile the votes on... it's game over. If I go for a 50/50 there's a better chance that at least one spy is in the crosshairs than just going after a single person.
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Post by pelassarias on Apr 10, 2018 0:08:19 GMT
And you seem to be protecting Romice so far. So dogpiling on Cati is just as risky as dogpiling on Romice from Reed's point of view. Putting it to the tiebreaker is risky as well since it's still 50/50. This all comes down to whether or not Reed trusts me or Romice, or if he's the most suspicious of Cati. But if Reed is truly unsure after Romice's and Cati's defense then a tiebreaker will have to suffice. I'm not protecting Romice any more than I am you or Reed. It's risky to dogpile on you as well, which is why I'm not proposing doing that. The thing is, it is very unlikely that both you and Romice are on the same side, given you are voting each other. That means one of you is good. Now, I trust Reed at the moment, and it would appears he trusts me. That means from both of our perspectives there are two known heroes and one unknown, plus two spies. If Romice and you are targetting each other instead of dogpiling Cati or I, that suggests one of you at least is protecting him. Now if one of you or Romice is good, that means Cati, from both Reed and my perspective, has to be a venatori. I guess it's entirely possible you and Romice are both innocent too, which means Reed has been playing me really well. I doubt it though. Last round you switched your from romice to reed when you realized you doomed her. And so far you haven't switched your vote to romice yet and you were thinking about allying with her beforehand, so from Reed's and my point of view, it seems like you could be with cahoots with her. Just like it seems like I might be in cahoots with Cati just because I think it's risky to vote for him. Also If I'm good, which I am, it's very possible that you are with cahoots with romice just as it's possible that romice is in cahoots Cati. Cati is not guaranteed Venatori in this case. But To further prove the I am no way protecting Cati and we are not in cahoots, I will switch my vote from Space to Catilina, risking the fact that Reed could very well stick with his vote and breaking a possible tiebreaker. This is a 50/50 risk in my part (but then again, sticking with Space is a 50/50 risk as well), but I don't see any other way of proving I'm not in cahoots with Cati.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 10, 2018 0:34:19 GMT
I'm not protecting Romice any more than I am you or Reed. It's risky to dogpile on you as well, which is why I'm not proposing doing that. The thing is, it is very unlikely that both you and Romice are on the same side, given you are voting each other. That means one of you is good. Now, I trust Reed at the moment, and it would appears he trusts me. That means from both of our perspectives there are two known heroes and one unknown, plus two spies. If Romice and you are targetting each other instead of dogpiling Cati or I, that suggests one of you at least is protecting him. Now if one of you or Romice is good, that means Cati, from both Reed and my perspective, has to be a venatori. I guess it's entirely possible you and Romice are both innocent too, which means Reed has been playing me really well. I doubt it though. Last round you switched your from romice to reed when you realized you doomed her. And so far you haven't switched your vote to romice yet and you were thinking about allying with her beforehand, so from Reed's and my point of view, it seems like you could be with cahoots with her. Just like it seems like I might be in cahoots with Cati just because I think it's risky to vote for him. Also If I'm good, which I am, it's very possible that you are with cahoots with romice just as it's possible that romice is in cahoots Cati. Cati is not guaranteed Venatori in this case. But To further prove the I am no way protecting Cati and we are not in cahoots, I will switch my vote from Space to Catilina, risking the fact that Reed could very well stick with his vote and breaking a possible tiebreaker. This is a 50/50 risk in my part (but then again, sticking with Space is a 50/50 risk as well), but I don't see any other way of proving I'm not in cahoots with Cati. Hey! Why you need to proving anything to Space? I can strengthen, you'd not cahoots with me, at least seems already not, and I'm sad. Maker bless us all!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 1:48:20 GMT
I just imagined Mother Giselle in cahoots with anyone and began to laugh. Current Votes: Catilina 3 votes Space Cowboy 1 vote pelassarias 1 vote
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Post by Space Cowboy on Apr 10, 2018 1:55:42 GMT
Also If I'm good, which I am, it's very possible that you are with cahoots with romice just as it's possible that romice is in cahoots Cati. Cati is not guaranteed Venatori in this case. Thank you for changing your vote. I just meant from my perspective, since I know I'm good, that's what I see. Of course you see something else from yours. If you really are a hero then that means probably you and Reed are guaranteed to you. Unless you think Reed is dodgy too, I don't know. I'm certainly not saying I wouldn't change to Romice, I just see no reason to. She may well be the other venatori, if you are good. But as heroes we have to be on the same page here and make sure its really a venatori we're voting out. Finding the second venatori is next day cycles problem, if there is one.
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Post by romice on Apr 10, 2018 4:25:41 GMT
OK, so either cati is innocent and the spies have played us perfectly or she is bad and a spy is throwing her under the bus to save her. If it's the former we're screwed, but if it's the latter I still think it's pela who's the other Venatori. But, as Space said, that's tomorrow's problem, so I'll change my vote from Pelassarias to Catilina and pray to the Maker that's a correct choice
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Post by Moonae on Apr 10, 2018 5:37:19 GMT
*squints at pela and romice* Could be a very risky but clever strategy... I just want the discussion to keep going. *insert grabbing popcorn gif*
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Post by romice on Apr 10, 2018 5:56:15 GMT
*squints at pela and romice* Could be a very risky but clever strategy... I just want the discussion to keep going. *insert grabbing popcorn gif*I need to remember this strategy for the next time I'm a venatori or cerberus agent. But right now, I'm not
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 10, 2018 7:19:48 GMT
Well I hope that Catilina is the spy and that it has been a case of the other spy throwing them under the bus to appear innocent. They say that fortune favours the brave so fingers crossed, eh?
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Post by Space Cowboy on Apr 10, 2018 9:45:44 GMT
Well I hope that Catilina is the spy and that it has been a case of the other spy throwing them under the bus to appear innocent. They say that fortune favours the brave so fingers crossed, eh? Yolo! Yeah I hope it's right. We'll see once adonniel updates.
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Post by fylimar on Apr 10, 2018 10:08:06 GMT
I wish you luck. I will be in the clinic from tomorrow on. Let's hope, everything works with the internet
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