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Post by inquisitor007 on Jun 17, 2018 20:19:42 GMT
Not saying I want a prequel game (in fact, I don't), but if they did come out with one, which would have the most potential? Somewhere in the Ancient Age? Post-Andraste?
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Post by phoray on Jun 17, 2018 21:30:16 GMT
Andraste and Shartan, attacking Tevinter for the win.
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Post by vertigomez on Jun 18, 2018 2:47:04 GMT
I'd play an Arlathan-era game, with Titan hivemind dwarves. Or, as mentioned, something with Andraste and co. waging war on Tevinter. It'd be cool if DA4 was interspersed with clues about the real Andraste.
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 18, 2018 3:51:59 GMT
The Ancient Age at the height of the Elven Empire and their achievements would be my choice. :exicted:
But hey, if Anthem turns out to be an early era in Thedas' history, maybe we'll get some more insights...
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Post by coldsteelblue on Jun 18, 2018 8:12:53 GMT
Play as Andraste & find out not only that she was a bloodmage, but she also didn't believe in the maker & was just using it to her advantage.
Hmm, doubt BW would do that, they'd probably make her a holier than thou type, but I can dream.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 18, 2018 8:13:19 GMT
I think the time of any of the major events of Thedas history if it allowed us to experience the true story of the characters involved rather than someone else's version of it, filtered by their own prejudices.
So the time of Andraste and Shartan would be interesting because their history has been so tampered with by the Chantry but there have been hints of what the differences might be, including what she actually taught about the Maker, whether she was a mage and what Shartan believed. Also it would finally clear up exactly where the Battle of Valarian Fields actually took place and how far she conquered into Tevinter itself.
The war that led to the rise of the Evanuris, particularly if this did involve the Titans, or the war with the Forgotten Ones that led to their downfall. Whilst Solas finally moved against them because of the murder of Mythal I don't think that the Dalish got the context wrong that he locked them away at a time when they were at war with another faction, particularly considering that Fen'Harel was said to have been on good terms with both sides. That makes sense considering he didn't turn against them until after her death and yet he seems to share sentiments about their authority with Gelduran at least.
The origins of the Qunari. So we finally get to meet Koslun and see how different the Kossith were, if at all, before they adopted his teaching. In fact travelling the world as a companion of his, while he was studying other races and cultures, before arriving at his insights for how to manage society. I've never been sure exactly when this was meant to have taken place but since it had to be at an earlier era of history, it would still be interesting for a snapshot of different nations at that time and if the area he travelled was actually outside of the one we know as Thedas, so much the better as it can be totally unique.
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Post by Reznore on Jun 18, 2018 9:22:17 GMT
Arlathan times because we know a bit about the Evanuris and it seems they were an handful. I like to imagine them all as total bloodthirsty over the top drama queens. And having those egomaniac magic users trying to bend the fabric of the world to their will, and probably sometimes failing and dealing with the backlash would be fun and interesting.
I'm also into the period when humans started to settle in Thedas, mostly Tevinter vs what was left of the elven empire. We don't really have a clear picture of that.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jun 18, 2018 11:03:04 GMT
Andraste and Shartan, attacking Tevinter for the win. I gotta ask... what is the point with this? We know how it ends. And before you point out all of the numerous biblical epics and Jesus movies, the same applies to those. I'll also add that a two hour passive story experience is different than being an active participant in a many-hours-long RPG game.
And who would our character be in such a game?
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Post by phoray on Jun 18, 2018 12:01:53 GMT
Andraste and Shartan, attacking Tevinter for the win. I gotta ask... what is the point with this? We know how it ends. And before you point out all of the numerous biblical epics and Jesus movies, the same applies to those. I'll also add that a two hour passive story experience is different than being an active participant in a many-hours-long RPG game.
And who would our character be in such a game?
What is the point of Assassin's Creed (upcoming one 481 BCE about the Polyponesian war) and War games about World war 2? That's actually real world history, therefore we have tens to hundreds more actual details. Why not what actually happened between Shartan, Mafarath, and Andraste? We just have a handful of codexes summarizing and a heavily heavily edited Chant of Light I wouldn't let us play Andraste. I think the story would best be told through the eyes of those all around her. Her body guard, her handmaidan, Shartan, and Maefarath. Make us love her then make us agree with Maefarath so we'll we kinda hating ourselves for sacrificing her. We'd get more information about the elves when they had the Dale's. The Alamarri. Witness Andraste's visions. And optionally flirt with her as Shartan. I wouldn't make it a 100 hour game though. 10-15
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jun 18, 2018 13:20:41 GMT
I wouldn't let us play Andraste. I think the story would best be told through the eyes of those all around her. Her body guard, her handmaidan, Shartan, and Maefarath. Make us love her then make us agree with Maefarath so we'll we kinda hating ourselves for sacrificing her. We'd get more information about the elves when they had the Dale's. The Alamarri. Witness Andraste's visions. And optionally flirt with her as Shartan. So you want us to be forced into a fixed character, rather than creating our own? (No, I did not play either the Darkspawn Chronicles or Leliana's DLC for exactly this reason. I didn't give a damn about playing as her, even though I like her, or the darkspawn.)
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Post by phoray on Jun 18, 2018 13:34:37 GMT
I wouldn't let us play Andraste. I think the story would best be told through the eyes of those all around her. Her body guard, her handmaidan, Shartan, and Maefarath. Make us love her then make us agree with Maefarath so we'll we kinda hating ourselves for sacrificing her. We'd get more information about the elves when they had the Dale's. The Alamarri. Witness Andraste's visions. And optionally flirt with her as Shartan. So you want us to be forced into a fixed character, rather than creating our own? (No, I did not play either the Darkspawn Chronicles or Leliana's DLC for exactly this reason. I didn't give a damn about playing as her, even though I like her, or the darkspawn.) I would rather a fixed character near Andraste so I can see the interesting stuff up close. This is a historical story with the Hero already clearly defined before our arrival. Also to create a character means not only to we have to be a supporting character rather than a hero, we are fixed to our role. I can't listen to Andraste sing songs and pray, listen to her fears and concerns, as anyone other than a confidante of hers. Yet all of her confidantes are defined and named. Shartan, grand comrade, possible lover. The Handmaiden who knew her from childhood. Maefarath, her husband and betrayer. I believe she had a bodyguard that attempted to protect her, and later carried her ashes. If I want to see the story from all the angles I'm interested in, then I don't want to be a create your own supportive character. Andraste and her story would be the focus, with learning about that timezone being the secondary focus (Dales, Alamarri at their top strength). I mean, Bioware is never going to make a Dragon Age Prequel, so this whole idea is improbably before I even get started. This game would obviously just be for Dragon Age Lore Buffs interested in a prequel where they get to experience the events first hand knowing the ending all the way. I'd hope the emotional goal of such a piece would be to feel something, good or bad, about Andraste's end. If we could see what Maefarath saw, would we have made the same choice he did? Did he make it, in part, because he caught Shartan flirting with Andraste? was it purely jealousy or completely strategic? Was Andraste just a pretentious twit or undeniably loveable with charisma pouring from her? Leliana's song was okay. I don't like Leliana mostly. At least my version of this never-going-to-happen prequel has us taking on 3-5 roles of people.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Jun 18, 2018 14:20:28 GMT
Some of these might work better as prequel books than prequel games.
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Post by warden on Jun 18, 2018 15:23:35 GMT
The first and second Blight, I want to be does unknown heroes that made the ultimate sacrifice.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 18, 2018 17:55:15 GMT
I can’t really accept anything more than just a simple backstory expansion on a particular character. Generally this would just serve as a sort of prologue add-on to a bigger game they’re involved in. I just have no interest in living-the-codex type games, like the much-talked about First Contact War game and the sort. They just work out better as a graphic novel or something.
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Post by melbella on Jun 19, 2018 1:46:50 GMT
The dwarves when the darkspawn first appear. While the armies try to fight them off and protect the empire, me and my party go in search of to find where the f they came from.
Bonus points if the answer is left hidden in Kal'sharok somewhere and oh, we just happen to go there in DA4.
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Post by Blaze on Jun 19, 2018 14:50:59 GMT
Some of these might work better as prequel books than prequel games. yeah, or a movie, i don't see the need for a game. I love games but i also love dragon age and quite fine with other stuff invloving dragon age. Specifically the andraste and shartan idea would work well in movie form.
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Post by Sifr on Jun 19, 2018 21:21:47 GMT
Andraste and Shartan, attacking Tevinter for the win. What about the flipside of this, having the story take place within the Imperium during the time of Andraste's rebellion?
It would let us see the impact that Andraste had on Tevinter, without actually needing to have her present. That way we can preserve the mystery of whether she was divinely-inspired, magical, delusional or a complete fraud?
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Post by boxofscreaming on Jun 19, 2018 21:42:32 GMT
The heyday of Tevinter (doubles as heyday of the dwarves).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 21:42:56 GMT
Play as Andraste & find out not only that she was a bloodmage, but she also didn't believe in the maker & was just using it to her advantage. Hmm, doubt BW would do that, they'd probably make her a holier than thou type, but I can dream. That'd be pretty sweet, perhaps playing as someone who was close to her so that her character was set in lore? I'd also go for a game based on the Orlesian invasion, with Maric, Rowan and Loghain. I feel like the Ferelden's hate of Orlais is never quite explained well enough in game so it would give context, and it'd be fun to clear out Ferelden bit by bit. It'd be quite different with the story already being known, perhaps shorter and quite linear, but I'm up for a change.
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Post by coldsteelblue on Jun 19, 2018 22:36:11 GMT
Play as Andraste & find out not only that she was a bloodmage, but she also didn't believe in the maker & was just using it to her advantage. Hmm, doubt BW would do that, they'd probably make her a holier than thou type, but I can dream. That'd be pretty sweet, perhaps playing as someone who was close to her so that her character was set in lore? I'd also go for a game based on the Orlesian invasion, with Maric, Rowan and Loghain. I feel like the Ferelden's hate of Orlais is never quite explained well enough in game so it would give context, and it'd be fun to clear out Ferelden bit by bit. It'd be quite different with the story already being known, perhaps shorter and quite linear, but I'm up for a change.
I could see that, could be quite fun to do too, find out bits & pieces of forgotten history, sounds like fun.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 20, 2018 7:48:54 GMT
How about the story of Calenhad? Since the Qun have now put a damper on his heroic status I would find it interesting to find out the truth. Whilst I can understand the Chantry wanting to put a positive spin on his history since he seemed to have been responsible for them finally getting the upper hand in Ferelden, particularly with regard to the treatment of mages, it is so at odds with the Qunari version that I find it hard to reconcile the two. Also, I question how the Qunari even know a forgotten history of Calenhad since they were not in Thedas at that time. When he went into self-imposed exile, did he end up in their land of origin and confess all? That would be interesting in itself, particularly considering what we suspect about the relationship to dragons that resulted in the kossith race.
If not done as a game, I'd really like someone to do this properly in a book.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 8:30:11 GMT
How about the story of Calenhad? Since the Qun have now put a damper on his heroic status I would find it interesting to find out the truth. Whilst I can understand the Chantry wanting to put a positive spin on his history since he seemed to have been responsible for them finally getting the upper hand in Ferelden, particularly with regard to the treatment of mages, it is so at odds with the Qunari version that I find it hard to reconcile the two. Also, I question how the Qunari even know a forgotten history of Calenhad since they were not in Thedas at that time. When he went into self-imposed exile, did he end up in their land of origin and confess all? That would be interesting in itself, particularly considering what we suspect about the relationship to dragons that resulted in the kossith race. If not done as a game, I'd really like someone to do this properly in a book. I'm out of the loop here, what did the Qunari say about him?
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 20, 2018 13:04:11 GMT
I'll put this in spoilers just in case. In the comic series written by David Gaider, the Arishok (formerly Sten) told Alistair that his ancestor was originally a lowly dog handler who did a deal with a witch for knowledge how to gain power. He was directed to a cave where he drank from the blood of a dying great dragon. This gave him incredible reaver powers that enabled him to conquer his enemies and ultimately become king.
Then apparently this actually changed him physically to such an extent that it effected his blood and that of his descendants. This formed a major plot point of the comic series, involving Maric as well as Alistair.
Considering in the alternative story Calenhad was squire to Arl Tenedor and seemed to have a conventional rise to power aided by the mage Aldenon, who he subsequently betrayed, the Ash Warriors and the Circle, without any seemingly inhuman powers, I found the whole dragon blood heritage a bit extreme.
Of course, Varric does say to Alistair that he doubts it is true (or words to that effect) but it is part of the plot so really by implication it is.
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Post by Sifr on Jun 21, 2018 5:06:11 GMT
I'll put this in spoilers just in case. In the comic series written by David Gaider, the Arishok (formerly Sten) told Alistair that his ancestor was originally a lowly dog handler who did a deal with a witch for knowledge how to gain power. He was directed to a cave where he drank from the blood of a dying great dragon. This gave him incredible reaver powers that enabled him to conquer his enemies and ultimately become king.
Then apparently this actually changed him physically to such an extent that it effected his blood and that of his descendants. This formed a major plot point of the comic series, involving Maric as well as Alistair.
Considering in the alternative story Calenhad was squire to Arl Tenedor and seemed to have a conventional rise to power aided by the mage Aldenon, who he subsequently betrayed, the Ash Warriors and the Circle, without any seemingly inhuman powers, I found the whole dragon blood heritage a bit extreme.
Of course, Varric does say to Alistair that he doubts it is true (or words to that effect) but it is part of the plot so really by implication it is. I think it's probably a little from column A, a little from column B.
The Qunari are probably correct that Calenhad was a Reaver, but they vastly overestimate how those abilities played into him becoming King. The second version is more accurate there, that his rise to power came through a lot of luck and skill, some powerful friends and being in the right place at the right time. I don't know how much Calenhad being a Reaver would have actually impacted his descendants. My suspicions is that if Theirin blood is capable of waking dragons, it might only be that way because of Maric's (unknown) deal with Flemeth that occurred in "The Stolen Throne".
That's the reason why Alistair's blood would have sufficed, because of the familial link, rather than any mystical Draconic properties his blood possesses. Similar to how Malcolm Hawke's use of blood magic to reinforce the seals holding Corypheus, meaning that anyone with his blood could also break those seals. Or how in Origins, the magical defenses in Wilhelm's laboratory were keyed so only his family could safely bypass them.
The other possibility is that Calenhad, rather than Maric, tied their bloodline via his own deal with the witch. The meeting with Flemeth that left Maric shaken was her informing him of this covenant and that she would one day call on him to collect on this promise. So aside from their blood having the ability to wake the sleeping Dragons, there's nothing inherently special about the Theirin bloodline, nor do they gain any special powers as a side-effect. That would reduce the Sue-ishness of the whole "dragon blood heritage" to a more realistic level.
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