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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 26, 2018 9:37:48 GMT
Well Alistair makes it clear that he absolutely does not want to sleep with Morrigan, and my response to that can basically be boiled down to "suck it up, buttercup". Ferelden needs a Theirin heir, I need to not die, and both birds can be killed by one stone. According to Morigan he will not be the heir. That was by the time confirmed by the game's writers (I dot know remember who). Well not everything is up to Morrigan. I doubt that Dragon Age is ever going to rehash the plot point of Ferelden succession, but my reasoning was that, regardless of Morrigan's intentions with the child, it's unlikely that Alistair will ever produce an heir through other means, and this was the best bet for preventing another possible civil war in the future. If it came to it, my character would do what it took to go and get him. But Maric probably has other royal bastards waiting in the wings. He seems like the type. |
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Post by Domakir on Jun 26, 2018 9:46:04 GMT
As for Alistair not hating Morigan I have a different opinion . For me he clearly hates her and I do not this changing after the DR ( it would be perhaps even more worse). I wouldn't say that he hates her, at least not in DAO. Both of them clearly dislike each other, and like to make fun of the other but that's it. However in The Silent Grove, Alistair does seem to genuinely hate Morrigan and Flemeth. But well, in DAI they seem to get along to some degree. They're not even close to being friends but they have some kind of respect for each other. |
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Post by eliscous on Jun 26, 2018 10:48:14 GMT
According to Morigan he will not be the heir. That was by the time confirmed by the game's writers (I dot know remember who). Well not everything is up to Morrigan. I doubt that Dragon Age is ever going to rehash the plot point of Ferelden succession, but my reasoning was that, regardless of Morrigan's intentions with the child, it's unlikely that Alistair will ever produce an heir through other means, and this was the best bet for preventing another possible civil war in the future. If it came to it, my character would do what it took to go and get him. But Maric probably has other royal bastards waiting in the wings. He seems like the type. I agree with you with the fact that there will be no legitimate heir neither for Ferelden nor for Orlais (Celene or Gaspard, it seams the same concerning this issue). I do not know which intentions the writers have here and what they want this this particular situation. I am really looking forward for DA4 and what they will do. But according to the interviews I have read so far it seams not that Kieran will be heir. It would be particulary difficult because he does not exist in a lot of playthroughs. Concerning Maric I do know I have not read the books. According to what it is said in the game, Alistair was the only one and I do not know if he is or is not the type of guy having having a lot of bastards.
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Post by eliscous on Jun 26, 2018 10:50:30 GMT
As for Alistair not hating Morigan I have a different opinion . For me he clearly hates her and I do not this changing after the DR ( it would be perhaps even more worse). I wouldn't say that he hates her, at least not in DAO. Both of them clearly dislike each other, and like to make fun of the other but that's it. However in The Silent Grove, Alistair does seem to genuinely hate Morrigan and Flemeth. But well, in DAI they seem to get along to some degree. They're not even close to being friends but they have some kind of respect for each other. Thank you very much for your Input. In my playthroughs he never met Morigan again that is why I did not know about this. It is good to know, thank you. Perhaps he became more open minded or mature. |
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Post by Catilina on Jun 26, 2018 10:54:42 GMT
Well not everything is up to Morrigan. I doubt that Dragon Age is ever going to rehash the plot point of Ferelden succession, but my reasoning was that, regardless of Morrigan's intentions with the child, it's unlikely that Alistair will ever produce an heir through other means, and this was the best bet for preventing another possible civil war in the future. If it came to it, my character would do what it took to go and get him. But Maric probably has other royal bastards waiting in the wings. He seems like the type. I agree with you with the fact that there will be no legitimate heir neither for Ferelden nor for Orlais (Celene or Gaspard, it seams the same concerning this issue). I do not know which intentions the writers have here and what they want this this particular situation. I am really looking forward for DA4 and what they will do. But according to the interviews I have read so far it seams not that Kieran will be heir. It would be particulary difficult because he does not exist in a lot of playthroughs. Concerning Maric I do know I have not read the books. According to what it is said in the game, Alistair was the only one and I do not know if he is or is not the type of guy having having a lot of bastards.
Not need a lot of bastard – good enough only one for the throne, or for the civil war... And hardened Alistair can have his Warden mistress – so he able to have a mistress. Never say never! |
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Post by eliscous on Jun 26, 2018 11:01:06 GMT
I agree with you with the fact that there will be no legitimate heir neither for Ferelden nor for Orlais (Celene or Gaspard, it seams the same concerning this issue). I do not know which intentions the writers have here and what they want this this particular situation. I am really looking forward for DA4 and what they will do. But according to the interviews I have read so far it seams not that Kieran will be heir. It would be particulary difficult because he does not exist in a lot of playthroughs. Concerning Maric I do know I have not read the books. According to what it is said in the game, Alistair was the only one and I do not know if he is or is not the type of guy having having a lot of bastards.
Not need a lot of bastard – good enough only one for the throne, or for the civil war... And Warden Alistair can have his Warden mistress – so he able to have a mistress. Never say never! sorry I was not clear enough in my post. I wanted to say: I do not know if Maric is the type of guy having a lot of bastards (and not Alistair). My mistake sorry. |
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Post by Catilina on Jun 26, 2018 11:41:39 GMT
Not need a lot of bastard – good enough only one for the throne, or for the civil war... And Warden Alistair can have his Warden mistress – so he able to have a mistress. Never say never! sorry I was not clear enough in my post. I wanted to say: I do not know if Maric is the type of guy having a lot of bastards (and not Alistair). My mistake sorry. And I wrote: Warden Alistair, but wanted to write: hardened Alistair... So: no problem, ofc. |
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This is totally unrelated to the main point, but does anyone else think of this when they see the topic headline? |
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Post by Iddy on Jun 26, 2018 12:42:41 GMT
I do not understand why Riordan could not be an Option like Stroud in DAI or to made comptatible to have Logain and Alistair in the Party as Grey Warden.
But it is true that DAO was more in a tragic mood that for example DAI is.
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Post by Iddy on Jun 26, 2018 12:47:24 GMT
It isn't just about sex. At least not to me.
Morrigan wants help with using a newborn child as a lab rat, before it ever gets the chance to give consent for such a thing.
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Post by eliscous on Jun 26, 2018 12:55:44 GMT
I do not understand why Riordan could not be an Option like Stroud in DAI or to made comptatible to have Logain and Alistair in the Party as Grey Warden.
But it is true that DAO was more in a tragic mood that for example DAI is.
Morrigan says she needed someone who hasn't been tainted for too long. Thank you for your reply. I know Morigan said that, my question was more in the direction of the games's writers. This condition in order that the DR works seams for me artifitial. In my opinion there was no justification for such a restriction. It is the same if in DAI Stroud could not sacrifice himself because he was too tainted. But anyway thank you for participating in this conversation :-)
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Post by eliscous on Jun 26, 2018 12:57:22 GMT
It isn't just about sex. At least not to me. Morrigan wants help with using a newborn child as a lab rat, before it ever gets the chance to give consent for such a thing. I agree with you. That is why it is so interesting to see her in DAI she really cares for the boy |
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Post by Iddy on Jun 26, 2018 12:59:06 GMT
It isn't just about sex. At least not to me. Morrigan wants help with using a newborn child as a lab rat, before it ever gets the chance to give consent for such a thing. I agree with you. That is why it is so interesting to see her in DAI she really cares for the boy Which isn't mutually exclusive to wanting to use him. When Flemeth removes the OG soul, Morrigan laments "Kieran had a destiny". |
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Post by eliscous on Jun 26, 2018 13:39:34 GMT
I agree with you. That is why it is so interesting to see her in DAI she really cares for the boy Which isn't mutually exclusive to wanting to use him. When Flemeth removes the OG soul, Morrigan laments "Kieran had a destiny". That is true. It is interesting because originally it was Flemeth who wanted the God Soul. It was the purpose of sending Morigan who rebel herself against her and fled with the kid In the end Flemeth has the Soul but what are her motivations? I personally do not know. |
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Post by Walter Black on Jun 26, 2018 16:28:00 GMT
I mean... I get that sex is a sensitive/emotional issue in general for a lot of people, myself included, but if I was going to die, and the only way out was to fuck someone I don't like, I would have my dick out before they even finished that sentence. In what world is "sub-par sex vs. FUCKING DYING" a difficult choice to make? That said, I always make Alistair do it, primarily because Wardens are otherwise barren and it might be useful to secure a blood heir down the line for when he dies and Ferelden completely falls to pieces again. "Oh, it's cruel to make him sleep with a woman he doesn't like!". Yeah, maybe it is. You know what's worse? Letting a young man die when the means of saving his life is so incredibly, ridiculously simple. Imagine that scenario in real life: "My husband has terminal cancer, but the doctors say he can be cured by another woman's magical vagina. I'm just going to keep that information to myself, because I would legit prefer that he died." To be fair, if you take the Dark Ritual scene as originally presented, without meta-gaming or later Dragon Age material, it does carry some disturbing long term implications. A powerful mage with the soul of an Old God and possible connection to darkspawn, raised in secret with Morrigan's attitudes? Sounds like a recipe for Thedas' equivalent of the Antichrist. Sure, you get to live a few more years, but how many would suffer when such a being rises to power? What's the point in saving the world now, only to doom it later? The fact that Bioware ultimately dropped that plot doesn't affect how some people roleplay that scene.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 26, 2018 16:57:10 GMT
I mean... I get that sex is a sensitive/emotional issue in general for a lot of people, myself included, but if I was going to die, and the only way out was to fuck someone I don't like, I would have my dick out before they even finished that sentence. In what world is "sub-par sex vs. FUCKING DYING" a difficult choice to make? That said, I always make Alistair do it, primarily because Wardens are otherwise barren and it might be useful to secure a blood heir down the line for when he dies and Ferelden completely falls to pieces again. "Oh, it's cruel to make him sleep with a woman he doesn't like!". Yeah, maybe it is. You know what's worse? Letting a young man die when the means of saving his life is so incredibly, ridiculously simple. Imagine that scenario in real life: "My husband has terminal cancer, but the doctors say he can be cured by another woman's magical vagina. I'm just going to keep that information to myself, because I would legit prefer that he died." To be fair, if you take the Dark Ritual scene as originally presented, without meta-gaming or later Dragon Age material, it does carry some disturbing long term implications. A powerful mage with the soul of an Old God and possible connection to darkspawn, raised in secret with Morrigan's attitudes? Sounds like a recipe for Thedas' equivalent of the Antichrist. Sure, you get to live a few more years, but how many would suffer when such a being rises to power? What's the point in saving the world now, only to doom it later? The fact that Bioware ultimately dropped that plot doesn't affect how some people roleplay that scene.
As I've stated, I never saw Morrigan as "evil" or a threat to Thedas, and I never believed her goal was to cause any sort of harm. |
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Post by Walter Black on Jun 26, 2018 17:15:32 GMT
To be fair, if you take the Dark Ritual scene as originally presented, without meta-gaming or later Dragon Age material, it does carry some disturbing long term implications. A powerful mage with the soul of an Old God and possible connection to darkspawn, raised in secret with Morrigan's attitudes? Sounds like a recipe for Thedas' equivalent of the Antichrist. Sure, you get to live a few more years, but how many would suffer when such a being rises to power? What's the point in saving the world now, only to doom it later? The fact that Bioware ultimately dropped that plot doesn't affect how some people roleplay that scene.
As I've stated, I never saw Morrigan as "evil" or a threat to Thedas, and I never believed her goal was to cause any sort of harm. Doesn't mean you couldn't RP as someone who thought that. The great thing about Origins is how many layers it reveals from different perspectives, as opposed to only running self inserts over and over. |
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Post by Lazarillo on Jun 26, 2018 18:28:52 GMT
It isn't just about sex. At least not to me. Morrigan wants help with using a newborn child as a lab rat, before it ever gets the chance to give consent for such a thing. Key point, this. Plus, even putting aside the feelings of the father or the child, the DR is not simply about "cheat on your lover in order to live (or have Alistair cheat for you)". It's about preserving the Archdemon. Basically, it's betraying the one thing you're supposed to do as a Warden. Morrigan says "ah, don't worry, it won't be evil anymore", but even if you're inclined to take her word for it, it's not her word, it's Flemeth's, and if you've been trusting Morrigan the whole game, then you presumably were also trusting her when she said that she found out Flemeth had been lying to her and was far more malevolent than she imagined. |
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Post by Catilina on Jun 26, 2018 18:33:38 GMT
It isn't just about sex. At least not to me. Morrigan wants help with using a newborn child as a lab rat, before it ever gets the chance to give consent for such a thing. Key point, this. Plus, even putting aside the feelings of the father or the child, the DR is not simply about "cheat on your lover in order to live (or have Alistair cheat for you)". It's about preserving the Archdemon. Basically, it's betraying the one thing you're supposed to do as a Warden. Morrigan says "ah, don't worry, it won't be evil anymore", but even if you're inclined to take her word for it, it's not her word, it's Flemeth's, and if you've been trusting Morrigan the whole game, then you presumably were also trusting her when she said that she found out Flemeth had been lying to her and was far more malevolent than she imagined. It was clear, this isn't the Archdemon. Nothing about to betray the Grey Wardens's duty. The Grey Wardens aren't some knights. Morrigan offered a solution. The Warden can consider, it worth to try. It risky, but what isn't about the Grey Wardens and the Blight? I never thought Morrigan's evil. |
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Post by Iddy on Jun 26, 2018 19:10:23 GMT
It isn't just about sex. At least not to me. Morrigan wants help with using a newborn child as a lab rat, before it ever gets the chance to give consent for such a thing. Key point, this. Plus, even putting aside the feelings of the father or the child, the DR is not simply about "cheat on your lover in order to live (or have Alistair cheat for you)". It's about preserving the Archdemon. Basically, it's betraying the one thing you're supposed to do as a Warden. Morrigan says "ah, don't worry, it won't be evil anymore", but even if you're inclined to take her word for it, it's not her word, it's Flemeth's, and if you've been trusting Morrigan the whole game, then you presumably were also trusting her when she said that she found out Flemeth had been lying to her and was far more malevolent than she imagined. I've always wondered what would happen if OGB Kieran got tainted. |
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Post by copper on Jun 27, 2018 0:22:21 GMT
Key point, this. Plus, even putting aside the feelings of the father or the child, the DR is not simply about "cheat on your lover in order to live (or have Alistair cheat for you)". It's about preserving the Archdemon. Basically, it's betraying the one thing you're supposed to do as a Warden. Morrigan says "ah, don't worry, it won't be evil anymore", but even if you're inclined to take her word for it, it's not her word, it's Flemeth's, and if you've been trusting Morrigan the whole game, then you presumably were also trusting her when she said that she found out Flemeth had been lying to her and was far more malevolent than she imagined. It was clear, this isn't the Archdemon. Nothing about to betray the Grey Wardens's duty. The Grey Wardens aren't some knights. Morrigan offered a solution. The Warden can consider, it worth to try. It risky, but what isn't about the Grey Wardens and the Blight? I never thought Morrigan's evil. Eh, I doubt the Grey Wardens as an organization would accept the Dark Ritual. They don't understand all that much about darkspawn and archdemons aside from how to kill them after all. They would probably still do the ultimate sacrifice even if they knew about the dark ritual to play it safe. |
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Post by Catilina on Jun 27, 2018 0:33:35 GMT
It was clear, this isn't the Archdemon. Nothing about to betray the Grey Wardens's duty. The Grey Wardens aren't some knights. Morrigan offered a solution. The Warden can consider, it worth to try. It risky, but what isn't about the Grey Wardens and the Blight? I never thought Morrigan's evil. Eh, I doubt the Grey Wardens as an organization would accept the Dark Ritual. They don't understand all that much about darkspawn and archdemons aside from how to kill them after all. They would probably still do the ultimate sacrifice even if they knew about the dark ritual to play it safe. Morrigan offered a solution – and the Grey Wardens not that picky about the methods... |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 27, 2018 0:36:06 GMT
It was clear, this isn't the Archdemon. Nothing about to betray the Grey Wardens's duty. The Grey Wardens aren't some knights. Morrigan offered a solution. The Warden can consider, it worth to try. It risky, but what isn't about the Grey Wardens and the Blight? I never thought Morrigan's evil. Eh, I doubt the Grey Wardens as an organization would accept the Dark Ritual. They don't understand all that much about darkspawn and archdemons aside from how to kill them after all. They would probably still do the ultimate sacrifice even if they knew about the dark ritual to play it safe. I don't know. Considering their willingness to use any method to defeat the Blight, I could see them seeing the OGB as a valuable asset if it can be harnessed, similar to how they saw Corypheus. |
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Post by Iddy on Jun 27, 2018 0:56:26 GMT
It was clear, this isn't the Archdemon. Nothing about to betray the Grey Wardens's duty. The Grey Wardens aren't some knights. Morrigan offered a solution. The Warden can consider, it worth to try. It risky, but what isn't about the Grey Wardens and the Blight? I never thought Morrigan's evil. Eh, I doubt the Grey Wardens as an organization would accept the Dark Ritual. They don't understand all that much about darkspawn and archdemons aside from how to kill them after all. They would probably still do the ultimate sacrifice even if they knew about the dark ritual to play it safe. Exactly. When you talk to Alistair during the victory celebration, he says it is better to keep that a secret from the GWs. |
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Post by copper on Jun 27, 2018 0:56:58 GMT
Eh, I doubt the Grey Wardens as an organization would accept the Dark Ritual. They don't understand all that much about darkspawn and archdemons aside from how to kill them after all. They would probably still do the ultimate sacrifice even if they knew about the dark ritual to play it safe. Morrigan offered a solution – and the Grey Wardens not that picky about the methods... Would they see the dark ritual as a solution? I would think they would see it as preserving the archdemon for the sake of one soldier doomed to die to the calling anyway. Hanako mentioned they might study it, which I guess I could see them doing if they thought it was worth the risk. There's no way I could see them letting Morrigan keep the kid though. |
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