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Post by Catilina on Jun 27, 2018 1:07:00 GMT
Morrigan offered a solution – and the Grey Wardens not that picky about the methods... Would they see the dark ritual as a solution? I would think they would see it as preserving the archdemon for the sake of one soldier doomed to die to the calling anyway. Hanako mentioned they might study it, which I guess I could see them doing if they thought it was worth the risk. There's no way I could see them letting Morrigan keep the kid though. It's maybe a hard choice, and even dangerous, but I don't see this is worse than anything else that the Wardens did. They're not really saints. Not mentioned, depending on the Warden. I also have one, who chose the death instead – because of similar reasons, as your doubts. But the others didn't have any problem with it. |
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Post by copper on Jun 27, 2018 2:02:20 GMT
Would they see the dark ritual as a solution? I would think they would see it as preserving the archdemon for the sake of one soldier doomed to die to the calling anyway. Hanako mentioned they might study it, which I guess I could see them doing if they thought it was worth the risk. There's no way I could see them letting Morrigan keep the kid though. It's maybe a hard choice, and even dangerous, but I don't see this is worse than anything else that the Wardens did. They're not really saints. Not mentioned, depending on the Warden. I also have one, who chose the death instead – because of similar reasons, as your doubts. But the others didn't have any problem with it. I can play wardens that choose the dark ritual as well as wardens that choose the ultimate sacrifice. My point was just that that would be the choice of an individual warden who wants to stay alive; the dark ritual goes against the goals of the organization since it preserves the archdemon's soul in some way. |
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Post by Catilina on Jun 27, 2018 2:07:28 GMT
It's maybe a hard choice, and even dangerous, but I don't see this is worse than anything else that the Wardens did. They're not really saints. Not mentioned, depending on the Warden. I also have one, who chose the death instead – because of similar reasons, as your doubts. But the others didn't have any problem with it. I can play wardens that choose the dark ritual as well as wardens that choose the ultimate sacrifice. My point was just that that would be the choice of an individual warden who wants to stay alive; the dark ritual goes against the goals of the organization since it preserves the archdemon's soul in some way. The Wardens against the Blight, but the soul in the fetus – according to Morrigan – isn't tainted. So: this is already not the Archdemon's soul, but Urthemriel's non-blighted soul. |
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Post by copper on Jun 27, 2018 2:16:48 GMT
I can play wardens that choose the dark ritual as well as wardens that choose the ultimate sacrifice. My point was just that that would be the choice of an individual warden who wants to stay alive; the dark ritual goes against the goals of the organization since it preserves the archdemon's soul in some way. The Wardens against the Blight, but the soul in the fetus – according to Morrigan – isn't tainted. So: this is already not the Archdemon's soul, but Urthemriel's non-blighted soul. According to Morrigan, yes. The question is, would the Grey Wardens believe her? Or even see a difference between the two? I'm thinking they probably wouldn't care about the difference between the soul of an archdemon and that of Urthemial without the blight, which seems to be where we disagree. |
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Post by Catilina on Jun 27, 2018 2:18:11 GMT
The Wardens against the Blight, but the soul in the fetus – according to Morrigan – isn't tainted. So: this is already not the Archdemon's soul, but Urthemriel's non-blighted soul. According to Morrigan, yes. The question is, would the Grey Wardens believe her? Or even see a difference between the two? I'm thinking they probably wouldn't care about the difference between the soul of an archdemon and that of Urthemial without the blight, which seems to be where we disagree. Nobody asks the Grey Wardens – I suppose someone of them would agree, someone of them not. |
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Post by Iddy on Jun 27, 2018 11:30:17 GMT
I do not see where people are getting the impression that she and Alistair hate each other. "You're stupid!" "Oh yeah? Well you have your mother's nose!". Weak. If that's what you think hate looks like, then you've never actually faced hatred. To me, their interactions are indistinguishable from heterosexual flirting, circa 1990-early 2000s. It goes beyond harmless bickering. Alistair genuinely and literally believes Morrigan is evil. (read carefully) |
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Post by Iddy on Jun 27, 2018 11:32:30 GMT
Morrigan offered a solution – and the Grey Wardens not that picky about the methods... Would they see the dark ritual as a solution? I would think they would see it as preserving the archdemon for the sake of one soldier doomed to die to the calling anyway. Hanako mentioned they might study it, which I guess I could see them doing if they thought it was worth the risk. There's no way I could see them letting Morrigan keep the kid though. Hello? I just told you Alistair thinks it is better to keep a DR a secret from the Wardens and you ignored me, replying to Catilina instead. |
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Post by copper on Jun 27, 2018 18:46:31 GMT
Would they see the dark ritual as a solution? I would think they would see it as preserving the archdemon for the sake of one soldier doomed to die to the calling anyway. Hanako mentioned they might study it, which I guess I could see them doing if they thought it was worth the risk. There's no way I could see them letting Morrigan keep the kid though. Hello? I just told you Alistair thinks it is better to keep a DR a secret from the Wardens and you ignored me, replying to Catilina instead. I thought that because we seemed to agree that there wasn't much more we could discuss? I wasn't intentionally being rude though and I apologize if I came across that way. |
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Post by eliscous on Jun 28, 2018 9:55:21 GMT
According to Morrigan, yes. The question is, would the Grey Wardens believe her? Or even see a difference between the two? I'm thinking they probably wouldn't care about the difference between the soul of an archdemon and that of Urthemial without the blight, which seems to be where we disagree. Nobody asks the Grey Wardens – I suppose someone of them would agree, someone of them not. I pick up on what you said to ask another question: in DAI the Warden is looking for a cure. In case he / she is successfull what does this mean for the others wardens? If it is possible to remove the taint will it be the end of the order? How many will want to be cured? The futur wardens do not know for what they signed bevore doing it. After that they are bound to the Order (like the templars with the lyrium). How many will Change their mind? In case of a new Blight it will be problematic. Because for me removing the taint means not being a warden anymore and not being anymore able to kill an archidemon. |
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