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Post by lucidae on Feb 5, 2023 19:55:01 GMT
With the exception of MAYBE Fenris or Francesca, I want all fresh faces as companions. But I'd like many returning characters tagging along for relevant quests or playing an advisory role.
I think Fenris is a great foil for Solas and he is unknown to him too. I also think Varric could convince him to join the cause. He could have escaped again or been freed again if given back to Danarius. And if he had died.... well Lelianna and Meredith are also fine thanks to lyrium 😂
Francesca is new enough and an interesting character. I think she could be a great help in Tevinter too.
Since the crows seem to be an important faction in the next game, I'd like to see Zevran make a cameo.
If Fenris isn't a companion, then I'd like him to be a guest in a major storyline quest.
I'd like a side quest related to Anders simply because it's been a long time since DA2 and I think we shouldn't just pretend that character stopped existing. Despite the road he went down I still like the character.
Dorian of course in some sort of advisory role. And I think Varric will be too.
I'd like Harding and/or Charter to accompany us on a few major quests.
While I didn't really like Sera, she is also a great foil to Solas and there was speculation that she could be harboring an elvhen like Flemeth. Seeing her and Fenris on the same mission would be entertaining. I'm ready for the anti-magic anti-elvhenan elves to team up 😂
Now how about returning companions as ANTAGONISTS? Velanna comes to mind for me. I could see her following Solas. Could Cole join Solas depending on your choices in DAI?
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Feb 5, 2023 22:50:07 GMT
It's been suggested by a few people on the forum that Rook could actually be the name of the player character? That was my personal opinion, as well. However, they went to great lengths to blur the name on the character inventory screen, etc. So I am not sure if it's mere sloppiness or just someone else. Rook sounds like a codename to me rather then a real name, if it was the PCs codename then they'd still have a player given name that the leaker would want to obscure to protect their identity. Since the person who actually watched the full video thought rook was the female dwarf WITH the pc that would tend to make me think that's more likely. On the otherhand using a Rook on that joplin book could suggest that the codename is particularly important...
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Post by eaglepursuit on Feb 5, 2023 23:56:14 GMT
The possible reason that </spoiler>Rook</spoiler> is blurred on the character screen is that they may have a customized personal name attached to that surname. EA would be able to use their internal testing software to figure out who used that name and fire the leaker. When things are blurred in leaks, it's almost always to protect the leaker from retribution. Censoring anything else goes against the entire conceit of leaking.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Feb 6, 2023 0:14:01 GMT
The possible reason that Rook is blurred on the character screen is that they may have a customized personal name attached to Rook surname. EA would be able to use their internal testing software to figure out who used that name and fire the leaker. When things are blurred in leaks, it's almost always to protect the leaker from retribution. Censoring anything else goes against the entire conceit of leaking. I agree this has to be the main reason. But this also mean that in leak demo the tester can only play as elven grey warden. I bet if the the testers had the option to pick others race they won´t pick that often a male elven protagonist.
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Post by eaglepursuit on Feb 6, 2023 0:20:29 GMT
The possible reason that Rook is blurred on the character screen is that they may have a customized personal name attached to Rook surname. EA would be able to use their internal testing software to figure out who used that name and fire the leaker. When things are blurred in leaks, it's almost always to protect the leaker from retribution. Censoring anything else goes against the entire conceit of leaking. I agree this has to be the main reason. But this also mean that in leak demo the tester can only play as elven grey warden. I bet if the the testers had the option to pick others race they won´t pick that often a male elven protagonist.
. Yes, that is probably among the default character conditions for the particular build seen here.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Feb 6, 2023 16:52:55 GMT
Ok with Davrin we already one human male warrior as possible companion, then there is the female dwarven rogue who still could be Harding. So who are the others? First i believe that we only get one female dwarf and not two. Second no male dwarven rogue (Varric is out as option) and third a male dwarven warrior is still an option. Next female Qunari: i am pretty convinced that we get one for the party. Like a female dwarf (i know Sigrun was the first) is would make it more unique than other male Qunari. Speaking of a male Qunari i am not so sure that we are getting one this time. A male dwarven warrior has a better chance than a male Qunari. So the class of female Qunari i hope not another Warrior i am fine with rogue or mage. Skullguy aka Ghostrider from the conceptarts i know conceptarts doesn´t mean anything but i would argue that´s guy / thing does too specific and "cool" but be cut as a boring idea for potential companion. He stands out that´s for sure. Also we always someone who is possessed or a spirit / demon. Class? Why not another warrior like Justice. Tevinter mage: The party needs someone from Tevinter. Could be male or what i would prefer female (Calpernia?  ) but the race would be human the best guess. Another human male which isn´t a warrior. Rogue or Mage would should it be? Another human female because i can´t imagine that we get only one. In previous games it always has been two atleast. Any preferences? I personal would find it interesting to explore the Fog Warriors more. It says Warriors but i see the Fog Warriors more as rogues. Edit: But she could be also Lady Crow A transgender companion: I think this time for the first transgender companion in a Bioware game. I would prefer Maevaris. Elven companion: Could be anything because there has to be atleast one elf in the DAD party. A female Dalish Warrior like Ariane would something special would be interesting. Another elven companion: Of any non human race i find it most likely that we get two. One female and one male. Class: male elven mage?
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 6, 2023 17:32:32 GMT
Depending on how many companions they intend offering us, it would actually be good if they had one of each sex for each race but I definitely feel we are due a female dwarf, since there has been none since Sigrun, and also a female Qunari (given the amount of concept art and the reaction of one of the Devs to the enthusiasm shown for her). I imagine they will have to give us a human male and female companion and probably an elf as well. That would make 6 companions, so if they do decide to go with a transgender companion that would make a lucky 7, or a spirit again in place of one of the others. That would allow for two from each class plus one over, mostly likely an extra rogue but it is possible that one of the elves could be a Veil Jumper, which may well be a cross-class type, probably an Arcane Archer. Then the PC would make a line up of 8, as hinted at in the 2020 video.
Let's see, that could mean: Human warrior: Grey Warden (male - Davrin) Human mage: Tevinter origin (female - Calpernia? or transgender - Maevaris) Dwarf rogue: Kal-Sharok (female - Bellara) or Inquisition (female - Harding or male - Varric) Qunari rogue: Tal-Vashoth (female - unnamed) or Qun (female - Rasaan) Elf mage/arcane archer: Veil Jumper (female - unnamed - may have one by issue 3 of comic series) Elf warrior: Sicarri (male) Spirit Warrior: Nevarra (male?)
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Feb 6, 2023 17:41:45 GMT
Depending on how many companions they intend offering us That´s a good question. I think with standard companion system 9 would be a fine guess but if they really went with only 2 at the time plus One NPC for certain quests 8 oder 10 seem to be more likely. No crow companion aka no Lady Crow?  Also why no one human for each gender? Sorry i don´t think that we only get one female human. DAO has 3 (Leliana, Morrigan and Wynne), DA2 (Aveline and Isabela / Bethany doesn´t count) and DAI (Cassandra and Wynne) So why only one female human? Does male really matter? But its not that unlikely that Morti could be Audric Felhausen.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 7, 2023 8:29:41 GMT
No crow companion aka no Lady Crow? Yes, I realised whilst typing that I had left her out. That would make another rogue but would have to replace one of the others unless I extend the roster of companions to 8. May be that line up of 8 was hinting at the number of companions rather than the overall team including the PC. Also why no one human for each gender? Sorry i don´t think that we only get one female human. The problem I was seeing develop was that there would be too few male companions, let alone worry about the number of humans. Remember at least some of them are also going to be potential romances. I remember the bad old days of Baldurs Gate 2 when there were 3 different options for female romance partners but only one male (there should have been 2 but they cut one owing to time constraints). Of course, the opposite was true in DAI but at least everybody had a degree of choice available to them no matter what their sexuality, even if personally some of them just didn't appeal to me. Looking at my initial list, and discounting the spirit, there are only 2 male characters. Unless they are both going to be bisexual, someone is going to feel left out when it comes to potential romances and if they are bisexual then there may well be complaints about that too. Of course, they could go down the route they did with DAI and Andromeda, where they increase the number of romance choices by including non party members into the mix. Still, if you are going simply by race, if you want more female humans, you are going to have less of either sex in the other races. I thought there was a general consensus on the boards that people want a female dwarf and female qunari. So, no female elf? I thought it bad enough that in DAI the female elf was unavailable to my male elf character but to have no female elf at all? Having no male elf character would at least remove temptation from me as I tend to be a sucker for them and whilst I got burned by Solas and tried to resolve "never again", no doubt I will fall prey once again if the opportunity presents itself.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Feb 7, 2023 9:23:58 GMT
Speculation based on some of the unconfirmed leaks below ... So far it looks like the factions the player can choose are Grey Warden, Lord of Fortune and Mourn Watch. We've got no way of knowing if this will hold true in the released version, of course, but assuming for the moment that it does: we seem to have a companion representing the Grey Wardens (Davrin) and also one from the Mourn Watch (the glowing skull entity that may or may not be Audric Felhausen.)
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 7, 2023 11:02:53 GMT
That leaves 'Hollix', the non-binary rogue from Tevinter Nights whose real name and race we don't know ... The non-binary/gender fluid Hollix would certainly be a talking point but I have a feeling they are more likely to play safe and have someone like Mateo, from Genetivi Dies in the End, if it is going to be someone we have already encountered in associated media. I think he would be classed as a warrior but could possibly be a rogue. He is tough, resourceful and has a "genuine appreciation of history", so would be useful in unearthing information about Solas. In fact he could even be the figure they included in the concept art, who would fit the description they gave of him in the story. 
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Feb 7, 2023 11:14:10 GMT
That leaves 'Hollix', the non-binary rogue from Tevinter Nights whose real name and race we don't know ... The non-binary/gender fluid Hollix would certainly be a talking point but I have a feeling they are more likely to play safe and have someone like Mateo, from Genetivi Dies in the End, if it is going to be someone we have already encountered in associated media. I think he would be classed as a warrior but could possibly be a rogue. He is tough, resourceful and has a "genuine appreciation of history", so would be useful in unearthing information about Solas. In fact he could even be the figure they included in the concept art, who would fit the description they gave of him in the story.  Hmmmmm, I would certainly not mind getting to know Mateo better  . In all seriousness, though, he seems like a good choice - they could absolutely use a field historian.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Feb 7, 2023 11:25:09 GMT
Remember at least some of them are also going to be potential romances... Of course, they could go down the route they did with DAI and Andromeda, where they increase the number of romance choices by including non party members into the mix. I don´t worry that much of romances. There is still the Josephine and Cullen route and second its safe to assume that Davrin, female dwarf, female qunari and a human female (could be Lady Crow) are romances. That´s 4 and also don´t forget that Cullen and Solas romance were only possible because of the extra time. So we don´t always have 8 romances. I don´t want more female humans but the previous games are speaking for themselves. Maybe like in DAO which has only Alistair as male main companion (Loghain doesn´t count as second human he is an Alistair replacement so no)
Also i don´t know what change so much with a female dwarf and female qunari. They simple replacing or dwarven companion (Oghren and Varric) and female Qunari is our new Sten / The Iron Bull. Not a big deal. And Morti is our new Cole & Justice. Could happen. Again DAO which has only Zevran has only elven companion. So it´s not that unlikely.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 7, 2023 11:30:20 GMT
Brought this over from the Twitter thread: Grey Warden Guardian seemed to be a subclass of the Warrior archetype, also includes Lords of Fortune Berserker and The Mourn Watch Reaper (magic based I think). I wonder if the Mourn Watch Reaper is really a sort of Spirit Warrior. The leaker could have been unfamiliar with the concept if they hadn't played DAA, as it hasn't been seen since then, but we have speculated that it could fit someone from the Grand Necropolis. That would be cool because in that case, if it works like DAI, we could be a spirit warrior too. You don't have to be a spirit, just have a good relationship with them, and someone from the Mourn Watch would be ideal to introduce us to them. I might actually play a warrior if I could be a Spirit Warrior and they fully realised its potential.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 7, 2023 12:00:32 GMT
Could happen. Again DAO which has only Zevran has only elven companion. So it´s not that unlikely. Still he was bisexual, so as long as you didn't mind your male elf being the same (or simply gay) there was an elf option for either sex. Whilst you couldn't romance her, Velanna replaced Zevran as your elf companion in DAA, which balanced it out. Now in DA2 elf romancers were really spoiled for choice, having both Fenris and Merrill (both player sexual). Then DAI had Solas and Sera, although male elves got the short straw on that one with neither being available to them for romance. So I don't mind if there is only one elf companion but, if so, if they available for romance, then I hope they are bisexual. As for human female companions, I know we had 3 in DAO, two of whom could be romanced, out of a total roster of 8 (including dog), with Alistair/Loghain being interchangeable and only 1 elf, 1 dwarf and 1 Qunari. However, the situation had evened out more in DAA, with 2 human (both male, as Mhari was only temporary), 1 elf (female), 2 dwarf (one of each sex) and 1 spirit to choose from. DA2 also had a more even spread, if you discount your sibling, with 3 human (one male/two female), 2 elves (one of each), and 1 dwarf companion (male). Now in DAI we had 4 human companions (2 male, 2 female); 2 elves (one male/one female), 1 dwarf, 1 Qunari and 1 spirit. So there was something of a bias towards human, although there were actually 5 non-humans in total. I suppose much depends on the number of companions we are going to have to choose from. Do you think they will have as many as 9 again?
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Feb 7, 2023 12:21:45 GMT
Still he was bisexual, so as long as you didn't mind your male elf being the same (or simply gay) there was an elf option for either sex. No problem with that. Also after Solas this would make sense. Does it? DAO and DAA are seperated games more or less. I don´t see why this a reason against having one elven male again. This could repeat itself. With Skullguy is 4-5 human like characters. Davrin, Skullguy, Crow Lady? and other human female plus maybe other human male. It depends how many companion the player can have in their active party. 2 or 3? If they stick with 3 again. When it´s 9. But with its 2. Well 8 or 10.
By the way i don´t believe that we will get an full fleshed out animal companion. Maybe somelike Harding has some pet falcon or maybe the DA 2 Mabari but no DAO Mabari. Also i don´t think we will get some unique as with Shale. The most unique companion is Skullguy.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Feb 7, 2023 13:17:29 GMT
I suppose much depends on the number of companions we are going to have to choose from. Do you think they will have as many as 9 again? I think that depends on how big the party is - if it's down to the PC + two companions, then they might go as low as six, which is what ME1 and ME3 (Javik DLC aside) both had.
However, I think that would mean putting in a couple of non-companion romances since I think there will probably be at least six of those unless all the companions are bi again (which I doubt they'll do) and I can't imagine every single companion being a romance option.
If six companions, we're probably looking at Davrin, Skull Guy and the female dwarf rogue who's probably Harding. Plus maybe Maevaris and some combination of Crow Lady and/or the Qunari woman and/or a Veil Jumper, whatever that is, and/or someone representing the Lords of Fortune. (That's assuming that the Qunari woman isn't a Lord of fortune herself ...) I would actually like to see them include all of those things and give us eight companions in total.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Feb 7, 2023 14:36:53 GMT
I think that depends on how big the party is - if it's down to the PC + two companions, then they might go as low as six, which is what ME1 and ME3 (Javik DLC aside) both had. Well Six is pretty low. I mean 6 is a good number for an Addon like Awakening which we will never get again and 3 (if the whole party is complete new) for DLC. Again replacement characters doesn´t count in my opinion because Lelianas song have 4 (but Silas is a replacement for Tug) What you don´t want to romance Skull guy? 8 is a good number and sounds reasonable for DAD budget but my bet is right now 10.
One more than DAI doesn´t sound that crazy and you can make an argument that the 3 advisors are somewhat of romances.
So why not 10 companions and 2 advisor / major NPCs this time? For Mass Effect i would have argue that 10 would too much and 6-8 plus 2-4 support are more of a fine number. But Dragon Age isn´t (shouldn´t be!!!) Mass Efect. And 9 work pretty well so why not 10?
But to be fair i wouldn´t argue that much against 8 or 9 either.
Edit: Speaking of Harding: If she isn´t in the party do you think that we get someone else from Inquisition (game and also faction) as companion? Or is Harding the only possible choice for an Inquisition companion? What about companions (i like to call them bridge companions) had in previous games connected the games aka Oghren, Anders / Justice and Varric?
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 8, 2023 8:25:42 GMT
8 is a good number and sounds reasonable for DAD budget but my bet is right now 10. I'm more inclined to go with 8, not all of them romances and the slack there being taken up with non party characters. We had 8 party members in DAO (I'd forgotten Shale when I previously said it was 7) and whilst we had 9 in DAI, may be their data collection showed that this simply resulted in one or two being very seldom used. A lot does depend on whether the party is going to comprise the PC and 3 others, as before, or only 2 others. Also, whilst I think the individuals shown were only placeholders to give the team an overall flavour for how it would look, the group line up in the Behind the Scenes video did show 8 people. Since they do seem to be keeping the identity of the PC very much under wraps, that would suggest that was effectively a shot of our companions line up. PW did say that nothing was set in stone at that point, so don't set your heart on a particular character, so it is possible they could have changed the number since then. In fact, given what they did with DAO, DA2 and ME3, possibly there will be an extra companion that you only get by downloading them subsequent to the main game (probably for an extra fee). Thinking about it overnight, if the leak about those warrior class characters is correct, they seem to be reviving some of the specialisms from DAA (although likely greatly revised), and the line up may be something like this: Warriors: Human male (Davrin) - Grey Warden Guardian; Human male (Mateo?) - Lord of Fortune Beserker; Spirit male? (Audric?) - Spirit Warrior/Reaper Rogues: Human/Elf female (Unnamed) - Crow Duelist; Dwarf female (Bellara) - Kal-Sharok Scout; Qunari female (Unnamed) - Ben'Hassrath Enforcer Mages: Elf male/female (Unnamed) - Veil Jumper Arcane Archer; Human female/Elf male (Unnamed) - Sicarri Blood Mage; Bonus content: Maevaris - Battle Mage - Lightning Whilst people have speculated the Crow lady is Teia, I think this unlikely as she is too high ranking in their Circles. I was actually wondering if it could be someone who lost out when the traitor Talon was removed from power. Viago said that the First Talon would destroy their house (family) in retribution but may be one of them escaped or perhaps was offered the chance to redeem themselves outside of Antiva. With Kal-Sharok Scout I was thinking of something similar to Legionnaire Scout but that was linked to the Legion of the Dead, which is an Orzammar group. However, the dwarves of Kal-Sharok had to be tough to survive and it has been hinted they have their own special qualities that allowed this; hence Kal-Sharok Scout. Harding and Varric will be contacts. The Qunari may be Tal'Vashoth or could be Rasaan, but as with Teia I think she is too high ranking, so I have settled for a Ben'Hassrath specifically charged with hunting down Solas. The Arcane Archer in the concept art and 2020 video looked female to me but they could change their minds on that and since they are always shown masked, it would be easy enough to do so. In fact, if they are connected with the Executors, perhaps they never remove their mask and TN said it was hard to tell from their voice if they were male or female, old or young. I had the brainwave that by making Maevaris bonus content, they would avoid having people moan about taking up a slot who didn't want her, but would probably make a fair return from all those that do. It's the cynic in me. 
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Feb 8, 2023 15:36:23 GMT
I'm more inclined to go with 8, not all of them romances and the slack there being taken up with non party characters. We had 8 party members in DAO (I'd forgotten Shale when I previously said it was 7) and whilst we had 9 in DAI, may be their data collection showed that this simply resulted in one or two being very seldom used. A lot does depend on whether the party is going to comprise the PC and 3 others, as before, or only 2 others. Well i remember the DA 2 times there some people were unhappy because of the options of mage companions. You barely have Bethany in Act 1 (without DLCs) then there is Merrill and Anders. Two companions who can easy be disliked by some. I mean a good thing that we have Dorian in DAI well if only had Vivienne and Solas i am pretty sure that this also would upset some folks. I believe DAI has the best system. The player are getting for each class 3 companions. In total 9 that´s fair. And 10 is the same as Mass Effect without DLC companion (Zaeed and Kasumi) I agree Not likely why? Besides Rasaan where are the other the known characters?
Where is the new DAA Oghren, DA 2 Anders / Justice and DAI Varric in your list? Or DA 2 Isabela and DAI Cassandra? The DAD party need atleast one from the previous games that is well known in the games and not through the other media. I don´t say this has to be Harding only it also could be someone else. But this person is not a writer pet like Rasaan, Maevaris or even Calpernia. I really don´t believe that DAD party has only new people in it. That´s a bit idea. Make Maevaris a full companion or don´t do it at all. I can understand people who would be mad in even as a bonus companion. Also what are bonus companions exatly? Sten, Fenris or Sera are also bonus characters if you will. They are totally optional if you don´t like them they don´t have to be in your party.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 8, 2023 17:20:11 GMT
I really don´t believe that DAD party has only new people in it. It would fit with the declaration in Trespasser: "We need new people Solas doesn't know". Also, my personal preference would be for a whole new roster rather than have Varric forced on me again and he is one of the few companions who isn't quantum, hasn't been pensioned off or was in a romance with the Inquisitor. Dorian would make more sense but was a romance and I think is more likely to be a contact/advisor. Where is the new DAA Oghren, DA 2 Anders / Justice and DAI Varric in your list? Or DA 2 Isabela and DAI Cassandra? Has anyone ever said they have to have a carry over? Besides with so many years between Trespasser and DA:D we might as well be in a new game, particularly if the game play is changing once again and the way we use our companions (assuming that assertion was true). Isabella was just a NPC we met briefly in DAO and Cassandra was pretty much the same from DA2, although with rather more prominence and it would seem her relevance to the game world was established in associated media. So, I do think it more likely that they will use characters that have previously been set up in comics and short stories because they are more active in people's minds than characters that were minor NPCs in DAI. Harding is the only non companion from DAI that I think would qualify as known enough to be a returning character in the party but she may well fill the same role as she did in DAI. Also what are bonus companions exatly? Shale in DAO: I loved her but she was an optional extra (I didn't have to buy the content but that could be because I came late on the scene); Sebastian in DA2: Again, he was an optional extra (you had to purchase the DLC), with content that was actually far more relevant to the events in Kirkwall, particularly Act 3, than Shale was in DAO. Zaeed and Kasumi in ME2: Zaeed was free in my copy, although I didn't bother downloading him, but I would have had to purchase Kasumi. Javik in ME3: Caused a lot of complaints because he was an optional character you had to purchase, yet was highly relevant to the plot. So, there has been a precedent to include extra companions as DLC you have to purchase. Considering EA had to give up on the multi-player element of their "live service", I wouldn't be surprised if this was the trade off.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Feb 8, 2023 18:17:18 GMT
It would fit with the declaration in Trespasser: "We need new people Solas doesn't know". Also, my personal preference would be for a whole new roster rather than have Varric forced on me again and he is one of the few companions who isn't quantum, hasn't been pensioned off or was in a romance with the Inquisitor. Dorian would make more sense but was a romance and I think is more likely to be a contact/advisor. Maybe from a story point of view but i think Bioware sell Dreadwolf aka the 4th game of the DA series with a complete new casts or even with characters known in side content? Also Trespasser is an optional dlc so why would this rule out known characters.
Bu it agree with they went with returning companion route again there is only Varric as an option but there have been a reason why also mentioned DA2 Isabela and DAI Cassandra. If returning companion aren´t option why not promote known secondary characters like Harding or other people?
But again we still talking about 4th game and you can call it fanservice but all previous main games including Awakening had atleast one known face which the average player knows. So why should DAD all the sudden be different than the rest? What does the gameplay have to be with the characterization and reuse of certain characters? This doesn´t make any sense. I would argue that DAI and DA 2 is also different in gameplay but this doesn´t stop them in reusing Varric. Why because all of the players also buying the other media and paying attention to other stuff.
There are players out there who simply playing just the games (maybe only 3 main ones) For those you also need someone familiar. Come on don´t give up so easy.  I don´t say the DAI MP characters but there also other options than Harding. I agree that she is the best for such a role but there are still other possible options for promoting secondary characters. What about Briala i don´t think or remember that she could be killed off so why not her?
And what about Gatt or Adorno Ciel Otranto if we allow more optional NPCs along with like Calpernia?
Maybe after Fairbanks why not promoted another minor Inquisition agent like Avvar Skywatcher Amund, Movran or Loranil?
Or why went crazy if a character who is barely a character? I mean to can make an argument that Sera already exists in DAO. So why bring another former child now adult in the party. For example Bevin?
My point is there are enough known and non quantum secondary characters which could work as DAD companions. I thought you something else with bonus characters than DLC. Speaking of DLCs the days of Companion DLC are over. With Javik the fans and media made it clear to Bioware / EA that they don´t want Day One Extra Companion DLC also no Kasumi Goto where they have to months to get her. Maybe we don´t get even DLCs at all. Singleplayer Story (not Item!!!) DLC compared to MP DLCs are pretty expensive and compared it to PS3 / Xbox 360 days well there aren´t that many SP Story DLCs any longer.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 9, 2023 8:39:01 GMT
If returning companion aren´t option why not promote known secondary characters like Harding or other people? If the statement about new people in Trespasser isn't relevant because it is an optional DLC, and we rule out associated media, then there are very few characters that we see sufficiently to be remembered by casual players after an interval of 8/9 years. To be honest, I only remember Charter because she was included in Trepasser, was mentioned in the epilogue and then used in both a comic series, a short story and had her own entry in WoT2. Had I only played DAI, she would not strike me as someone familiar and that goes for many of the other minor NPCs in the game. Yes, I know Isabella was only a minor NPC in DAO but we only had a 2 year gap between the games back then. She was also more likely to be remembered because you used her to train as a duelist. Harding is the only known ally of the Inquisition that most people would remember. I suppose you could also include Dagna (but she is in a romance with Sera if the Inquisitor wasn't), Bianca (please no and only appeared in optional side quest) or Sutherland (could be dead I seem to recall). Calpernia was a memorable adversary but only if you played the Templar path. Still, I do think the way they resolved that episode did leave open the possibility of her returning either as a reformed companion or back in opposition. (We may know more after the current comic series). Briala could be executed if you opted for Gaspard as Emperor. Gatt could be a possibility, although his appearance was very brief in one optional side quest. (First run I didn't even get offered it because my status with Iron Bull wasn't high enough to trigger it). Ortrano only appeared if you romanced Josephine. Most of the others you mentioned were minor characters in optional side-quests, although Amund Skywatcher did appear in the multi-player. Sadly, whilst several of the DAIMP characters were interesting, based off the entries in WoT2, many people would be unaware of them if they only played the main game, as I did. To be a relevant choice, they really need to have made enough impact to stick in the mind after this length of time and, to be honest, without referring back to WoT2 or the Wiki, most of them don't and I have a good memory. Otherwise, they might just as well be a new character when it comes to being a familiar face that players will identify with from the previous game.
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Post by fairdragon on Feb 9, 2023 9:50:39 GMT
gervaise21 Avatar 16 hours ago gervaise21 said: So, I do think it more likely that they will use characters that have previously been set up in comics and short stories because they are more active in people's minds than characters that were minor NPCs in DAI.
cuthbertbeckett Avatar Feb 9, 2023 1:34:11 GMT 1 cuthbertbeckett said:
Why because all of the players also buying the other media and paying attention to other stuff. There are players out there who simply playing just the games (maybe only 3 main ones) For those you also need someone familiar. I also think this time we will not see someone familiar from DAI simply returning. I would argue we have always someone returning, but it wasn't the same number in each game from the same medium. So i belive this time no DAI return. If we get someone than only a promotion. And i don't see Varric as Companion as well. why not promoted another minor Inquisition agent If we get an promoted character from DAI, what could be possible. I don't see this person part of the Inquisition. But a small side Character with no real conection to the Inquisition would work. A fetchquest giver, or a rebellmage from redcliff. A big yes from me. gervaise21 Avatar 16 hours ago gervaise21 said: I'm more inclined to go with 8, On one point the dev. said something about 3 choices for each. So if we only go 2 Companion slots. 3 choices would be six. And i know they talked about the classes, but every game i see come out had less and less companions. There was a time were i hope for 9 + 4, but now it looks like 6 + 4 if we are lucky.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 9, 2023 10:20:42 GMT
I mean to can make an argument that Sera already exists in DAO. Not really. It is the Red Jennies we make contact with, so people only assume the person behind the door is Sera. I don't count that as bringing back a minor character. So why bring another former child now adult in the party. For example Bevin? At this length of time? It will be 14/15 years from DAO by the time we play the game. Bevin was a very minor character. He would mean nothing to casual players. In fact, if they were going to bring him back, a cameo in Redcliff in DAI would have been better for recognition because of being associated with the location. Had they done so, there might have been a tenuous enough link for him to appear in a later game. As it is, I think it highly unlikely we will meet minor characters from DAO or even DA2, unless they had a specific connection to the lands in the north and even then I doubt it.
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