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Post by SofaJockey on Jul 11, 2018 19:23:30 GMT
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Post by PillarBiter on Jul 12, 2018 6:47:04 GMT
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jul 12, 2018 7:02:00 GMT
I thought this was interesting (though much went over my head) These guys know their things, since early 2000 been following their stuff on Beyond3d forums and so on. Excellent breakdown as usual. Techporn for GPU afficinados  |
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Post by helios969 on Jul 12, 2018 9:24:21 GMT
I learned a lot. I wouldn't have noticed 99% of those things. It just straight up looks great to me.
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Post by Sanunes on Jul 12, 2018 12:13:47 GMT
I think the question that they couldn't answer is how accurate this is for the console version of the game. EA was being vague like normal and who really knows what they are aiming for. The missing aspects they were talking about I could see still being available for the PC release and everything was configured to be as accurate as can be example of what consoles will get.
Of course I plan on getting one of the new 11 series nVidia cards when they are available and hopefully that happens before the launch of Anthem.
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Post by Sartoz on Jul 12, 2018 14:27:31 GMT
Well, we know it ran on PC hardware with two graphics cards.
The artifacts his talking about may be due to the unoptimized game and graphic drivers and the OS it ran on (ie: DX 11 or DX 12) which forced them to do some fiddling with the graphic details. What is obvious is that the latest consoles cannot meet the power of the PC hdw and that brings up the next question. "How good will the console game be (graphic wise)?".
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Post by hivemind on Jul 12, 2018 19:59:21 GMT
The question, that DF asked and that unlikely will ever be answered by EA or BW, is why was there a need to butcher graphical settings on a PC footage?
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Post by Sanunes on Jul 13, 2018 0:50:37 GMT
The question, that DF asked and that unlikely will ever be answered by EA or BW, is why was there a need to butcher graphical settings on a PC footage? My guess is to prevent Xbox and PS owners from doing the "you promised us it would look like this, graphical downgrade!". |
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Post by river82 on Jul 13, 2018 1:28:11 GMT
The question, that DF asked and that unlikely will ever be answered by EA or BW, is why was there a need to butcher graphical settings on a PC footage? My guess is to prevent Xbox and PS owners from doing the "you promised us it would look like this, graphical downgrade!". Unlikely. Gamers know games run better and look better on PC ("ultra settings PC master race" etc) |
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Post by Sanunes on Jul 13, 2018 4:49:40 GMT
My guess is to prevent Xbox and PS owners from doing the "you promised us it would look like this, graphical downgrade!". Unlikely. Gamers know games run better and look better on PC ("ultra settings PC master race" etc) I really don't know, I just find people online tend to complain about a lot of things anymore. Heck there were two or three days where people were upset at The Witcher 3 because it was scaled down. I guess I just have a very negative outlook towards how anonymity will impact reaction anymore. I still remember the articles about Modern Warfare 2 and all the people that were playing it in a Steam group called "Boycott Modern Warfare 2". |
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Post by river82 on Jul 13, 2018 5:13:30 GMT
Unlikely. Gamers know games run better and look better on PC ("ultra settings PC master race" etc) Heck there were two or three days where people were upset at The Witcher 3 because it was scaled down. Well, even though the Witcher 3 probably wasn't "downgraded" so to speak, the outcry was because the visuals on PC "ultra settings" were different to what was demonstrated before release. I don't know why it happened, it's not like the dudes at CDProjekt did it intentionally, but I try to stay out of these sorts of discussions cause I don't know much about it. Anyway, if you look at the image below you'll see an image of Witcher 3 on PC ultra settings and people's complaints about it. I don't know why people were boycotting MW2 but I doubt it'd be because console graphics look worse than PC. Gamers tend to understand that consoles don't look as good as PC, especially the longer into a console cycle you go (old hardware).  |
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jul 14, 2018 1:37:23 GMT
Well, we know it ran on PC hardware with two graphics cards.
The artifacts his talking about may be due to the unoptimized game and graphic drivers and the OS it ran on (ie: DX 11 or DX 12) which forced them to do some fiddling with the graphic details. What is obvious is that the latest consoles cannot meet the power of the PC hdw and that brings up the next question. "How good will the console game be (graphic wise)?".
Here, let me reignite the console war. Consoles are stupid antiquated things that have long past their use and should be abandoned immediately. There are absolutely no gaming peripherals that will not work with a PC, the current gen consoles are either dumbed down PCs or dumbed down Android (which is remarkable tbh) They will never catch up, this will always be a problem, you can build an upgradeable PC with equivalent tech to a current gen console for only a little more money, and it is a much longer term investment. I have owned, in this order: Apple //c, SuperNES, PlayStation, PlayStation 2, PS3, and I have an nVidia Shield TV. I also currently own 4 operating PCs, one with a GTX460. That PC, 8 years old, will outplay most current gen consoles. WTF?  |
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Post by simit on Jul 14, 2018 1:40:39 GMT
Partial tae some brown sauce with my console thnx
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Just a flip of the coin.
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Post by Sanunes on Jul 14, 2018 5:51:53 GMT
Well, we know it ran on PC hardware with two graphics cards.
The artifacts his talking about may be due to the unoptimized game and graphic drivers and the OS it ran on (ie: DX 11 or DX 12) which forced them to do some fiddling with the graphic details. What is obvious is that the latest consoles cannot meet the power of the PC hdw and that brings up the next question. "How good will the console game be (graphic wise)?".
Here, let me reignite the console war. Consoles are stupid antiquated things that have long past their use and should be abandoned immediately. There are absolutely no gaming peripherals that will not work with a PC, the current gen consoles are either dumbed down PCs or dumbed down Android (which is remarkable tbh) They will never catch up, this will always be a problem, you can build an upgradeable PC with equivalent tech to a current gen console for only a little more money, and it is a much longer term investment. I have owned, in this order: Apple //c, SuperNES, PlayStation, PlayStation 2, PS3, and I have an nVidia Shield TV. I also currently own 4 operating PCs, one with a GTX460. That PC, 8 years old, will outplay most current gen consoles. WTF? That has always been the case since they started to use USB. I remember modding a Xbox Controller and making it into a USB controller back in the dark ages. Even though to people the differences might be small, the differences are important to them. I know for one of my friends "only a little more money" varies based on where you live. He priced out the differences between a console and a PC at the start of the generation and the cost of buying Windows with the slightly higher cost of the hardware was too much for them at the time. |
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jul 14, 2018 17:21:47 GMT
He priced out the differences between a console and a PC at the start of the generation and the cost of buying Windows with the slightly higher cost of the hardware was too much for them at the time. I understand this, and I am no master economist. However, I am aware of terms like depreciation, and of concepts of cost over time. If one PC, with greater initial investment, can outlive one generation change, even in his case there would have been a net savings. Especially if he was an early adopter of the platform, because the consoles always come down in price (because manufacturing becomes cheaper over time, and using deprecated technology). Financially, I still argue consoles make no sense, especially if there isn't backwards compatibility built in. |
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jul 14, 2018 17:32:47 GMT
Was anyone else triggered by the Mass Effect OST music off the jump? Talk about audiovisual dissonance!
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Post by lennybusker on Jul 14, 2018 17:53:55 GMT
Was anyone else triggered by the Mass Effect OST music off the jump? Talk about audiovisual dissonance! Yes it actually made me quite mad. I don't know if I'll ever recover from Mass Effect dying for this game. |
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Post by correctamundo on Jul 14, 2018 19:48:36 GMT
Was anyone else triggered by the Mass Effect OST music off the jump? Talk about audiovisual dissonance! Not in the slightest. |
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jul 14, 2018 20:28:28 GMT
Was anyone else triggered by the Mass Effect OST music off the jump? Talk about audiovisual dissonance! Are you talking about the orginal game? If yes, then no. Also, in general, no. |
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Post by AI BaGGs on Jul 15, 2018 9:09:54 GMT
In a recent chat with a developer I was told they got some things very wrong, but for the most part they were on spot with their analysis!
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jul 15, 2018 17:55:52 GMT
Was anyone else triggered by the Mass Effect OST music off the jump? Talk about audiovisual dissonance! Are you talking about the orginal game? If yes, then no. Also, in general, no. I'm talking about the background music in the DF video in the OP. What a weird choice! |
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jul 15, 2018 17:58:09 GMT
Are you talking about the orginal game? If yes, then no. Also, in general, no. I'm talking about the background music in the DF video in the OP. What a weird choice! Ok.... Yes, I agree. Jarring. |
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jul 15, 2018 18:01:49 GMT
In a recent chat with a developer I was told they got some things very wrong, but for the most part they were on spot with their analysis! I think all the stuff about checkerboarding was suspect -- meaning, I think DF got it wrong. What was that based on? Unless it was raw screenshots taken directly from the demo rig, who knows what kind of compression and transcoding happened between there and what they analyzed? If it was from a YouTube video frame, my opinion of DF drops a level. On the other hand, I think the demo vid exaggerates the quality average gamers are going to see. For example, DF mentioned how little LOD and asset pop-in there was. Probably because the demo rig had scads of VRAM and maybe a warm-up run to load everything into memory. Maybe the build was tuned for caching as well. I don't think it's reasonable to expect that much FOV and visual distance to be free of LOD and asset management artifacts. |
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Post by lennybusker on Jul 15, 2018 18:24:17 GMT
In a recent chat with a developer I was told they got some things very wrong, but for the most part they were on spot with their analysis! I think all the stuff about checkerboarding was suspect -- meaning, I think DF got it wrong. What was that based on? Unless it was raw screenshots taken directly from the demo rig, who knows what kind of compression and transcoding happened between there and what they analyzed? If it was from a YouTube video frames, my opinion of DF drops a level. On the other hand, I think the demo vid exaggerates the quality average gamers are going to see. For example, DF mentioned how little LOD and asset pop-in there was. Probably because the demo rig had scads of VRAM and maybe a warm-up run to load everything into memory. Maybe the build was tuned for caching as well. I don't think it's reasonable to expect that much FOV and visual distance to be free of LOD and asset management artifacts. The sawtooth edges that DF points out are typically artifacts of checkerboard rendering, not Youtube's video compression. However they didn't outright claim it to be CBR (just stated it's indicative), hence their mentioning confusion over seeing those coupled with statements that the demo was captured from a PC. |
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jul 15, 2018 18:53:18 GMT
I think all the stuff about checkerboarding was suspect -- meaning, I think DF got it wrong. What was that based on? Unless it was raw screenshots taken directly from the demo rig, who knows what kind of compression and transcoding happened between there and what they analyzed? If it was from a YouTube video frames, my opinion of DF drops a level. On the other hand, I think the demo vid exaggerates the quality average gamers are going to see. For example, DF mentioned how little LOD and asset pop-in there was. Probably because the demo rig had scads of VRAM and maybe a warm-up run to load everything into memory. Maybe the build was tuned for caching as well. I don't think it's reasonable to expect that much FOV and visual distance to be free of LOD and asset management artifacts. The sawtooth edges that DF points out are typically artifacts of checkerboard rendering, not Youtube's video compression. I understand, but my point is that we can't rule out that those artifacts weren't introduced by something else. I don't know exactly how YT does compression, particularly for 4K, but that's the point, nobody does. Plus there's the compression that happened before YT, like during capture. Furthermore, a PC rendering 4K could generate those artifacts also. There's no law against PC's using similar temporal filtering techniques, even if there's a patent or two that needs to be worked around. So the suspicion that the scene wasn't rendered on PC is on shaky ground to begin with. |
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