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Post by jros83 on Jul 17, 2018 15:26:31 GMT
I can't seem to get a clear answer as what exactly to do to keep her alive. She just died again. She died the last time I played ME3 and she just died now...
I am using an import male Shepard (1 2 3).
ME2:
Miranda loyal
Miranda survives (LOL duh)
Miranda romanced
ME3:
Met Miranda in person at the docks *but broke it off because I want Ashley again* (some guides say this is it, some guides say that doesn't matter!)
Talked to Miranda via hologram in Spectre office, Shepard *automatically warns her about Kai Leng, I didn't even need to make him do it, he mentions it 'himself'*
Talked to Miranda in person again in her apartment and *gave her alliance access*
I had read Kai's Dossier as soon as Hacket emailed it to me
I successfully used "I can be reasonable" on her father, he agreed and pushed Oriana away, Miranda then put him throw the window
Miranda dies
What the heck? Every guide I read says I did it right, only variable is most guides say dumping her isn't a problem while a very small handful say dumping her IS a problem.
The only oddity is, I think I met her in her apartment without first getting her message to do so. But regardless, I met her at every turning point: docks, Spectre hologram terminal, apartment, read Kai Leng's dossier, and Shepard ON HIS OWN said to Miranda to be careful for Kai Leng during the Spectre terminal conversation.
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Post by jros83 on Jul 17, 2018 15:32:16 GMT
Oh... wait... is it because I didn't do Horizon IMMEDIATELY after Thessia? I did an N7 mission inbetween...
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Post by themikefest on Jul 17, 2018 15:59:19 GMT
Miranda will die if you break up with her, if in a relationship. She will die if not loyal, but will survive even if the player sides with Jack in ME2 because her loyalty mission has been completed. Just have to make sure she survives the suicide mission. She will die if Shepard doesn't talk to her 3 times, one of those times telling her about Leng. She will die if the player refuses to give her access to Alliance resources. This will occur the third time the player talks with her. Even if the player does everything correctly, she will still die if the player's reputation isn't high enough, or refuse to choose the blue or red dialogue, and ignore the interrupt.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 17, 2018 16:30:28 GMT
Dude, you broke up with Miranda. A heartbroken woman will die without her man. Just ask Padme. I digress. I suppose you could say she lacked focus after the breakup, if you're looking for in-game speculation, and so was less able to defend herself against Kai Leng. themikefest is better at the game mechanics aspect, as he explains in the post above. |
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Post by jros83 on Jul 17, 2018 16:59:42 GMT
So it really is the breakup... ugh that's lame.
Thanks all.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 18, 2018 7:02:13 GMT
Be kinder to the people around you. No one should be dumped just because an old flame comes along. No wonder so many people don't want exes in their partner's lives.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jul 18, 2018 12:28:05 GMT
Wouldn't have had this problem if Ash was in ME2...  Yeah, in general, I never romance someone and then dump them later in the games. Just makes me feel scummy. Plus, Ash can't be beaten by the other choices anyway. |
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 18, 2018 23:25:05 GMT
Wait, wait, wait... You had your Shep dump hot Miranda for that dumbass bitch, Ashley?!?!?!?!
Dude, seriously?! 😕
Your Shepard should have died instead of Miranda.
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Post by melbella on Jul 21, 2018 16:57:40 GMT
So it really is the breakup... ugh that's lame. Thanks all.
If you want to switch back to Ashley but keep Miranda alive, don't break up with Miranda at any point - just avoid the topic. Get back together with Ashley before meeting Miranda at the apartment - the romance path will be closed off, as if it never happened. If you never talk about your relationship status with Miranda, she will not die.
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Post by warden on Jul 21, 2018 22:21:48 GMT
you wanted to keep a threesome, cunning boy. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2018 22:27:32 GMT
So it really is the breakup... ugh that's lame. Thanks all.
If you want to switch back to Ashley but keep Miranda alive, don't break up with Miranda at any point - just avoid the topic. Get back together with Ashley before meeting Miranda at the apartment - the romance path will be closed off, as if it never happened. If you never talk about your relationship status with Miranda, she will not die.
That works? Nice. It is stupid how many ways there are to kill off one of the most popular romance choices in the the game.  Without metagaming what chance do you have? |
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 22, 2018 4:04:51 GMT
That works? Nice. It is stupid how many ways there are to kill off one of the most popular romance choices in the the game.  Without metagaming what chance do you have? Very true. Who would have guessed that lack of loyalty missions would have had such a dire impact on ME2? |
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Post by melbella on Jul 22, 2018 16:02:19 GMT
That works? Nice. It is stupid how many ways there are to kill off one of the most popular romance choices in the the game. Without metagaming what chance do you have? Very true. Who would have guessed that lack of loyalty missions would have had such a dire impact on ME2?
Well, if you get the consort's email, she pretty much tells you they will:
From: Consort Sha'ira
Commander --
I thought that my gift of words had been incorrect -- an embarrassing notion -- but my contacts tell me you yet survive. I am pleased to hear that your journey continues, though I sense that you head toward an even deeper darkness. When you fought Saren, only your resolve was tested, but now I fear you cannot rely only on your own strength. Take whatever steps you must to ensure that those battling at your side fight with clear minds and glad hearts.
Be well,
Consort Sha'ira
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 22, 2018 17:40:00 GMT
Very true. Who would have guessed that lack of loyalty missions would have had such a dire impact on ME2?
Well, if you get the consort's email, she pretty much tells you they will:
From: Consort Sha'ira
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I thought that my gift of words had been incorrect -- an embarrassing notion -- but my contacts tell me you yet survive. I am pleased to hear that your journey continues, though I sense that you head toward an even deeper darkness. When you fought Saren, only your resolve was tested, but now I fear you cannot rely only on your own strength. Take whatever steps you must to ensure that those battling at your side fight with clear minds and glad hearts.
Be well,
Consort Sha'ira
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Post by obbie1984 on Jul 23, 2018 2:33:14 GMT
It is stupid how many ways there are to kill off one of the most popular romance choices in the the game. Why is there no way to kill of Liara then? |
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 23, 2018 2:39:12 GMT
It is stupid how many ways there are to kill off one of the most popular romance choices in the the game. Why is there no way to kill of Liara then? Was she really the most popular with fans or just with BioWare? I saw BioWare because she's the ONLY one who can ninjamance you in ME1. Never happens with Kaidan or Ashley. Liara is also the one and only squadmate who can't die until the beam run. There's no way she could possibly be that popular that she was unkillable. As was said, Miranda was extremely popular (if only for her ass - she was a total bitch in the early parts of ME2) so she ought to have been a little more difficult to kill her. |
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Post by obbie1984 on Jul 23, 2018 2:54:43 GMT
Why is there no way to kill of Liara then? Was she really the most popular with fans or just with BioWare? I saw BioWare because she's the ONLY one who can ninjamance you in ME1. Never happens with Kaidan or Ashley. Liara is also the one and only squadmate who can't die until the beam run. There's no way she could possibly be that popular that she was unkillable. As was said, Miranda was extremely popular (if only for her ass - she was a total bitch in the early parts of ME2) so she ought to have been a little more difficult to kill her. I think a while ago I remember seeing most popular romances for the males and females. I think Garrus was most popular for girls. And I think Liara was just behind Tali. But I'd imagine since she can be romanced by either gender, this would give her more possibility to be popular than most. But I still think Liara was just behind Tali. I think she is pretty popular among most fans as well. And yes, you can kill her on the beam run, but doesn't that also effectively kill Shepard too since your EMS is low? And I had no idea Miranda was popular romance. I thought because she wasn't a fangirl of Shepard right away (and most did automatically assume she was a bitch incorrectly so), she would be unpopular. And also, while she gets the most content in ME3 as far as ME2 squadmates go, I think its still lacking in many regards if she was that popular. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 8:31:01 GMT
It is stupid how many ways there are to kill off one of the most popular romance choices in the the game. Why is there no way to kill of Liara then? That's my point, they give plot armour to one but not the other. |
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Post by opuspace on Jul 23, 2018 9:32:18 GMT
Was she really the most popular with fans or just with BioWare? I saw BioWare because she's the ONLY one who can ninjamance you in ME1. Never happens with Kaidan or Ashley. Liara is also the one and only squadmate who can't die until the beam run. There's no way she could possibly be that popular that she was unkillable. As was said, Miranda was extremely popular (if only for her ass - she was a total bitch in the early parts of ME2) so she ought to have been a little more difficult to kill her. I think a while ago I remember seeing most popular romances for the males and females. I think Garrus was most popular for girls. And I think Liara was just behind Tali. But I'd imagine since she can be romanced by either gender, this would give her more possibility to be popular than most. But I still think Liara was just behind Tali. I think she is pretty popular among most fans as well. And yes, you can kill her on the beam run, but doesn't that also effectively kill Shepard too since your EMS is low? And I had no idea Miranda was popular romance. I thought because she wasn't a fangirl of Shepard right away (and most did automatically assume she was a bitch incorrectly so), she would be unpopular. And also, while she gets the most content in ME3 as far as ME2 squadmates go, I think its still lacking in many regards if she was that popular. Personally? I think it was overcompensation for how difficult it was in ME2 to kill Miranda that they made her so easy to die in ME3. I do recall one of the criticisms about her was her wanting to put a control chip in Shep's head and her Cerberus apologetic stance. As for Liara, you can't kill her without killing Shepard as well. The closest to making sure the galaxy isn't taken down alongside her as well is to choose Control. You have to tolerate her taking up a flashback memory because of course Shep's last thoughts should involve her. If you refuse, you have to watch a cutscene of her time capsule where she's explaining that the crucible failed. |
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Post by themikefest on Jul 23, 2018 12:06:17 GMT
In one playthrough Miranda was the only squadmate to die during the suicide mission. I didn't do her loyalty mission. Took her to fight the proto-reaper. That's the easiest way to have her die. Depending on the playthrough, and what the player chooses to do for the suicide mission, she can die holding the line even if she is loyal.
In regards to t'soni. She should have been killed on Thessia instead of being thrown across the screen. Leng is an assassin. So be an assassin. Kill the asari. Even though she can only be killed on the beam run, the galaxy does rebuild. It just takes longer. As said above. She will appear in the middle flashback, if not a LI, no matter what.
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Post by obbie1984 on Jul 23, 2018 22:09:33 GMT
I think a while ago I remember seeing most popular romances for the males and females. I think Garrus was most popular for girls. And I think Liara was just behind Tali. But I'd imagine since she can be romanced by either gender, this would give her more possibility to be popular than most. But I still think Liara was just behind Tali. I think she is pretty popular among most fans as well. And yes, you can kill her on the beam run, but doesn't that also effectively kill Shepard too since your EMS is low? And I had no idea Miranda was popular romance. I thought because she wasn't a fangirl of Shepard right away (and most did automatically assume she was a bitch incorrectly so), she would be unpopular. And also, while she gets the most content in ME3 as far as ME2 squadmates go, I think its still lacking in many regards if she was that popular. Personally? I think it was overcompensation for how difficult it was in ME2 to kill Miranda that they made her so easy to die in ME3. I do recall one of the criticisms about her was her wanting to put a control chip in Shep's head and her Cerberus apologetic stance. As for Liara, you can't kill her without killing Shepard as well. The closest to making sure the galaxy isn't taken down alongside her as well is to choose Control. You have to tolerate her taking up a flashback memory because of course Shep's last thoughts should involve her. If you refuse, you have to watch a cutscene of her time capsule where she's explaining that the crucible failed. Its not that hard to kill Miranda though if you know how the game's mechanics work. It makes sense she is immune until the final areas because she is the second in command. You can also side with Jack in the fight and take her with you to the final fight as well and she will die. And honestly, neither of those two things are that bad compared to the things Liara does. At least Miranda is up front and honest about it. And her being a Cerberus apologist is greatly exaggerated just like Kaidan being a whiner and Ash being racist. She actually also explains her feelings about Cerberus in a very rational and calm manner (and not some extremist). And by the end of the game, she sides with Shepard over TIM. Ew, that's gross if a flashback memory is forced on you. I don't get why this damn series is so adamant about shoving Liara in your face all the time. I thought this series was about choice and building your own character? I am sort of tempted to try this beam run thing out. But I'd have to play offline because I play MP and I'd get the best ending all the time. Also, I'd have to do it with a Shepard I don't care as much about because I wouldn't want to get a Liara flashback with any Shepard I actually like (on top of them dying of course). Still, its lame that the only way to kill her is to have Shepard die as well. |
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Post by opuspace on Jul 24, 2018 3:08:38 GMT
Its not that hard to kill Miranda though if you know how the game's mechanics work. It makes sense she is immune until the final areas because she is the second in command. You can also side with Jack in the fight and take her with you to the final fight as well and she will die. And honestly, neither of those two things are that bad compared to the things Liara does. At least Miranda is up front and honest about it. And her being a Cerberus apologist is greatly exaggerated just like Kaidan being a whiner and Ash being racist. She actually also explains her feelings about Cerberus in a very rational and calm manner (and not some extremist). And by the end of the game, she sides with Shepard over TIM. Ew, that's gross if a flashback memory is forced on you. I don't get why this damn series is so adamant about shoving Liara in your face all the time. I thought this series was about choice and building your own character? I am sort of tempted to try this beam run thing out. But I'd have to play offline because I play MP and I'd get the best ending all the time. Also, I'd have to do it with a Shepard I don't care as much about because I wouldn't want to get a Liara flashback with any Shepard I actually like (on top of them dying of course). Still, its lame that the only way to kill her is to have Shepard die as well. Miranda never really offended or angered me for wanting a control chip and as for her idealistic view of Cerberus, well, it made sense. Cerberus was supposed to be controversial even though I disagree about how well it was implemented. The worst I could say was that Miranda had a sheltered view of the organization and with her dysfunctional upbringing, didn't see the similarities between how the Illusive Man and her father treated her. I still liked her for being able to be reasoned with and she was still killable if I didn't want her around. I think I heard something about how someone wanted Liara to be Mass Effect's mascot, but her promotion ended up creating a lot of out of character railroading in other characters. With ME3 being more cinematic and less RPG choice for players, it looks like they wanted a sort of canon consistency? Ew. Not my thing as well. I wanted my doucheShep to remain unlikable to certain teammates and she still ended up too friendly to Liara in those cutscenes. At least Garrus can be killed and I don't have to watch another forced buddy moment. I had to do a failShep run just to be sure she truly could die. It seemed too surreal, as though she was going to come back in another game and say she dodged Harbinger's beam and survived long enough for the Alliance to rescue her. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 24, 2018 3:45:33 GMT
Miranda never really offended or angered me for wanting a control chip and as for her idealistic view of Cerberus, well, it made sense. Cerberus was supposed to be controversial even though I disagree about how well it was implemented. The worst I could say was that Miranda had a sheltered view of the organization and with her dysfunctional upbringing, didn't see the similarities between how the Illusive Man and her father treated her. I still liked her for being able to be reasoned with and she was still killable if I didn't want her around. I guess Miranda did have a sort of sheltered view. She brushed off the events of ME1 by saying that was a rogue military faction of Cerberus. Of course, Cerberus lore was already fucked between ME1 and ME2 since it was VERY CLEAR in ME1 that Cerberus was a black ops brand of the Alliance that recently went rogue. IIRC, when sent on the mission to find Cpl. Toombs, Hackett even referred to the scientists as Alliance scientists - but we know they were Cerberus. Then, for some reason, they were all of a sudden an organization that appeared 26 years before the events of ME1. Even so, Cerberus was conducting experiments using husks (creating them, actually) in ME1, which we know were used in ME3. Miranda was exceptionally stupid and naive if she thoughts Cerberus were nothing more than an organization that wanted to promote humanity. All that said, I began to like Miranda as ME2 progressed. I really liked her character in ME3. The fact the we see her evolve over the course of these two games is what makes her exceptional. (Unlike Jack, who punches Shepard for trusting Cerberus, even though Jack did as much for Cerberus as Shepard did.) |
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Post by opuspace on Jul 24, 2018 11:07:28 GMT
I guess Miranda did have a sort of sheltered view. She brushed off the events of ME1 by saying that was a rogue military faction of Cerberus. Of course, Cerberus lore was already fucked between ME1 and ME2 since it was VERY CLEAR in ME1 that Cerberus was a black ops brand of the Alliance that recently went rogue. IIRC, when sent on the mission to find Cpl. Toombs, Hackett even referred to the scientists as Alliance scientists - but we know they were Cerberus. Then, for some reason, they were all of a sudden an organization that appeared 26 years before the events of ME1. Even so, Cerberus was conducting experiments using husks (creating them, actually) in ME1, which we know were used in ME3. Miranda was exceptionally stupid and naive if she thoughts Cerberus were nothing more than an organization that wanted to promote humanity. All that said, I began to like Miranda as ME2 progressed. I really liked her character in ME3. The fact the we see her evolve over the course of these two games is what makes her exceptional. (Unlike Jack, who punches Shepard for trusting Cerberus, even though Jack did as much for Cerberus as Shepard did.) I don't doubt that the Alliance would have some questionable activities if not an outright black ops section for the very illicit missions. Hackett has asked Shepard to do cover up missions from disabling bombs sent with probes (Yeah, really should not be lecturing the Turians for putting one on Tuchanka, Shep) to possibly negotiating with a warlord to keep unsettled worlds under control. With Cerberus...I don't think Miranda had to see the result of their failures because most of what was under her control I suspect was running smoothly and successfully and it was only when working with Shepard that she was exposed to the more callous side of the Illusive Man and the unethical experiments. Hence, the No True Scotsman fallacy she threw in Jack's face during their confrontation. What did bother me though was that an Akuze Shep couldn't get an explanation for that WTF stupidity with the Thresher Maws. No one could figure out how to lure something that eats metal and take samples from the wreckage?! |
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Post by obbie1984 on Jul 24, 2018 21:59:05 GMT
Its not that hard to kill Miranda though if you know how the game's mechanics work. It makes sense she is immune until the final areas because she is the second in command. You can also side with Jack in the fight and take her with you to the final fight as well and she will die. And honestly, neither of those two things are that bad compared to the things Liara does. At least Miranda is up front and honest about it. And her being a Cerberus apologist is greatly exaggerated just like Kaidan being a whiner and Ash being racist. She actually also explains her feelings about Cerberus in a very rational and calm manner (and not some extremist). And by the end of the game, she sides with Shepard over TIM. Ew, that's gross if a flashback memory is forced on you. I don't get why this damn series is so adamant about shoving Liara in your face all the time. I thought this series was about choice and building your own character? I am sort of tempted to try this beam run thing out. But I'd have to play offline because I play MP and I'd get the best ending all the time. Also, I'd have to do it with a Shepard I don't care as much about because I wouldn't want to get a Liara flashback with any Shepard I actually like (on top of them dying of course). Still, its lame that the only way to kill her is to have Shepard die as well. Miranda never really offended or angered me for wanting a control chip and as for her idealistic view of Cerberus, well, it made sense. Cerberus was supposed to be controversial even though I disagree about how well it was implemented. The worst I could say was that Miranda had a sheltered view of the organization and with her dysfunctional upbringing, didn't see the similarities between how the Illusive Man and her father treated her. I still liked her for being able to be reasoned with and she was still killable if I didn't want her around. I think I heard something about how someone wanted Liara to be Mass Effect's mascot, but her promotion ended up creating a lot of out of character railroading in other characters. With ME3 being more cinematic and less RPG choice for players, it looks like they wanted a sort of canon consistency? Ew. Not my thing as well. I wanted my doucheShep to remain unlikable to certain teammates and she still ended up too friendly to Liara in those cutscenes. At least Garrus can be killed and I don't have to watch another forced buddy moment. I had to do a failShep run just to be sure she truly could die. It seemed too surreal, as though she was going to come back in another game and say she dodged Harbinger's beam and survived long enough for the Alliance to rescue her. Same here. It is understandable why she wants it, and her apologizing for it in ME3 (which seems like such a small thing compared to what is happening) is actually kind of sweet if you are romancing her and a nice gesture if you are just friends. And I agree with your views of Miranda. She can be reasoned with and her going against TIM was a good way to show Miranda has changed. Also, I think Miranda in general is more friendly than people let on. In your second conversation with her, she comes off more friendly and polite. And she appreciates your compliments of her if you decide to tell her she is more than just her genes. i just wish her ME3 romance was a bit more fleshed out. I still feel she could have shown a bit more emotion. On the final call to her on Earth, she doesn't even say she loves you or anything. Only if she dies. Which leads me to believe that is the arc they want or Miranda. Well, she may as well be the mascot of the series because of how much she is plastered all over the place. She is the only one to get cameos and references in games that don't even involve her (like Andromeda and Paragon Lost). She is more important than Shepard at times. None of my Shepards like Liara (even the nice ones). And you almost always come off as friendly. As much as I like Shadow Broker DLC, I actually refuse to do it now because of how much Liara pandering there is in that DLC. Like even if you recruited her last or hated her in ME1, you act like best buddies. I also hate that one of the most humanizing scenes for Shepard in ME2 comes from the end of DLC. But the final straw was a recent run I did. I was romancing Miranda. She and I were among the lone survivors of the SM. We obviously got close because of everything we went through in the entire game. But when the Yahg throws his desk at us, I jump to save Liara and not my bae? I'm sure any girl in that situation would be like "wth man?" Yeah, ew no thanks. Even though I feel Garrus is forced, I don't dislike him. In ME1 he can be avoided and in ME2 you don't have to interact with him at all and you can kill him. You at least have choices with him. A shame we cannot do this for Liara until the end of the series. But as you say, there will probably be some retcon and Liara will end up alive again. |
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