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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 18, 2018 20:23:38 GMT
For years, after a suicide attempt in 1998-1999, I was on anti-depressants. I don't recall them actually making much of a difference. I tried a few different ones and finally gave up and told the doctors what I thought they wanted to hear. Thing is, when I weaned myself off of them, I didn't feel any different. When I quit drinking, and whatever else I was doing, my mood started to improve. I found that I could face problems, fears, etc. without medication. I also learned that everyone experiences ups and downs and that trying to remove the downs is a disservice. Always looking to be "happy" is a recipe for self-destruction.
I'm aware that some people can't survive without medication. I'm also aware that for some it is useful for alleviating a temporary mood problem. Thing is, I see lots of people on these anti-depressants forever when they could have just got the "bump" needed to get them out of the depression, at which point they could slowly stop.
What I wonder is, why is this rarely done? Why are we medicating away our lives when maybe we don't always have to?
Not sure why this all came to mind. Mother died recently and it's only just starting to feel it. Only, I don't want to use meds. I want to experience the lows and the highs. Opinions, even if they aren't listed in the poll?
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Post by copper on Jul 18, 2018 23:07:16 GMT
I think it varies case by case. But I think a big problem, at least in the U.S., is how mental health often isn't taken as seriously as physical health.
I recently watched that One Day at a Time reboot on Netflix (kinda cheesy in parts, but I enjoyed it). There's a part where one of the characters struggles with wanting to go off her antidepressants, but whenever she tries her depression worsens. She complains to another character about how she'll be stuck on her pills forever, and dismisses the 2nd character when he says her pills are comparable to his glasses. His response was to take off his glasses and ask her if she wanted to go for a drive. I'm not describing it well but that response kind of stuck with me. Things that help us physically function in society, like glasses or wheelchairs, aren't looked down on the same way as things that help us function mentally. And there isn't a good reason for this to be the case.
I'm rambling and I'm not sure how much this contributes to the discussion, but I guess my point is that as a society we need to take mental health more seriously and equate it to physical health. So while some people can get off their medication when symptoms improve, if people do need antidepressants for their whole lives they shouldn't feel ashamed.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jul 19, 2018 4:43:57 GMT
I'm rambling and I'm not sure how much this contributes to the discussion, but I guess my point is that as a society we need to take mental health more seriously and equate it to physical health. So while some people can get off their medication when symptoms improve, if people do need antidepressants for their whole lives they shouldn't feel ashamed. The best analogy I've heard is diabetes - some cases can be controlled with lifestyle changes, and others need mediation forever. Only unlike with diabetes there's no typing so the only way to find out what kind of depression you have is trial and error.
I know I'm a lot calmer and have less suicidal ideation on SSRIs, and that my symptoms have gotten worse every time I've tried to taper off, so I'm happy to stay on them for the foreseeable future.
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Post by Inquisitor Recon on Jul 19, 2018 6:25:17 GMT
I've taken anti-depressants for most of my life and have they haven't killed me yet so I don't see the problem. When there have been problems trying to find a combination that worked my mental state was erratic, to say the least. It keeps me functional day-to-day and that's a lot better than the alternative.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Jul 19, 2018 6:35:46 GMT
I've taken anti-depressants for most of my life and have they haven't killed me yet so I don't see the problem. When there have been problems trying to find a combination that worked my mental state was erratic, to say the least. It keeps me functional day-to-day and that's a lot better than the alternative. They will kill your liver or kidneys. I mean Amoxicillin is like a miracle for 40% of my problems, but I only eat a 10 pill set every 2 weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 7:07:48 GMT
Well maybe your depression was caused by environmental factors rather than a chemical problem in your brain. I don't really know much about this subject, but I assume that the medicine only really helps for people who are suffering due to a chemical imbalance. It's not going to make your life less shit if its just environmental factors, or you feeling like shit due to your train of thought. I never took meds, all my depression shit was environmental and cognitive stressors due to being socially isolated and having shit self-esteem.
Honestly, for people who don't have a chemical imbalance it's easier just to take happy pills or to drink then to deal with your demons internally and externally. Afterall, for some people, you can't just confront and it will all be better. Some people live in abusive environments that they can't leave, have anxiety that they can't rationalize away, and some people have trauma they can't escape from. In that scenario you need something to help you cope.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jul 19, 2018 13:27:43 GMT
Medicine can be useful... Till it is misused, misdiagnosed or human/computer error... The latter in my case. Mis-prescribed an anti-depressant. Instead caused depression. Even a suicidal state for a while. Gone med free since and feel better than ever compared when taking any sort of medication. Over the counter or not.
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Post by mybudgee on Jul 19, 2018 18:44:05 GMT
As a rule, I try to avoid pills whenever possible Cannabis is more effective and has less shitty side-effects
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Jul 19, 2018 19:02:09 GMT
As a rule, I try to avoid pills whenever possible Cannabis is more effective and has less shitty side-effects
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 8:32:40 GMT
eh idk. I've never been diagnosed with depression (surprised? I'm surprised by it myself!) so idk. But if i did, i'd probs get meds for it, like i got meds for my ADHD.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Jul 20, 2018 8:41:14 GMT
Yeah, I'm too energetic and furious and laugh a lot on stupid news every day to be considered depressed tbh But I like memes a lot, so who knows?
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jul 20, 2018 8:47:27 GMT
Get a cat, I say! A cute little kitty to cuddle! eh idk. I've never been diagnosed with depression (surprised? I'm surprised by it myself!) so idk. But if i did, i'd probs get meds for it, like i got meds for my ADHD. IF THAT DOES EVER HAPPEN... Make sure that all the medications don't interact and cause something worse like suicidal thoughts and or actions. Yeah, I'm too energetic and furious to be considered depressed tbh But I like memes a lot, so who knows?  You never know when it can strike. Depression can be a like a great white shark lurking beneath the waves. It is there and will strike when you least expect it... Just stay away from stress, alcohol, non-frugal and bad sleeping habits among others.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 8:59:04 GMT
eh idk. I've never been diagnosed with depression (surprised? I'm surprised by it myself!) so idk. But if i did, i'd probs get meds for it, like i got meds for my ADHD. IF THAT DOES EVER HAPPEN... Make sure that all the medications don't interact and cause something worse like suicidal thoughts and or actions. Yeah i know. It'd be like getting redalin again. You know, i have aspergers and that's more likely to get depression than any other disorder out there. But i haven't devolved any thus far. So i guess I'm lucky?
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jul 20, 2018 9:05:49 GMT
IF THAT DOES EVER HAPPEN... Make sure that all the medications don't interact and cause something worse like suicidal thoughts and or actions. Yeah i know. It'd be like getting redalin again. You know, i have aspergers and that's more likely to get depression than any other disorder out there. But i haven't devolved any thus far. So i guess I'm lucky? I know someone with Aspergers as well (The Super Human Focus version). Don't know if it helps any but they eat spaghetti with sour cream mixed in every day and it seems to normalize them some what.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 9:07:52 GMT
Yeah i know. It'd be like getting redalin again. You know, i have aspergers and that's more likely to get depression than any other disorder out there. But i haven't devolved any thus far. So i guess I'm lucky? I know someone with Aspergers as well (The Super Human Focus version). Don't know if it helps any but they eat spaghetti with sour cream mixed in every day and it seems to normalize them some what. I like eating rice with butter on it.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jul 20, 2018 9:11:18 GMT
I know someone with Aspergers as well (The Super Human Focus version). Don't know if it helps any but they eat spaghetti with sour cream mixed in every day and it seems to normalize them some what. I like eating rice with butter on it. I have not had butter in decades... ever since I had to get alot of oils out of my diet. I like rice too... Hear me first -then throw up please... I like rice......... With ketchup.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Jul 20, 2018 9:20:25 GMT
No. Rice with KEBAB! I know someone with Aspergers as well (The Super Human Focus version). Don't know if it helps any but they eat spaghetti with sour cream mixed in every day and it seems to normalize them some what. I like eating rice with butter on it.
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Post by Sweet FA on Nov 20, 2018 9:31:58 GMT
For years, after a suicide attempt in 1998-1999, I was on anti-depressants. I don't recall them actually making much of a difference. I tried a few different ones and finally gave up and told the doctors what I thought they wanted to hear. Thing is, when I weaned myself off of them, I didn't feel any different. When I quit drinking, and whatever else I was doing, my mood started to improve. I found that I could face problems, fears, etc. without medication. I also learned that everyone experiences ups and downs and that trying to remove the downs is a disservice. Always looking to be "happy" is a recipe for self-destruction.
I'm aware that some people can't survive without medication. I'm also aware that for some it is useful for alleviating a temporary mood problem. Thing is, I see lots of people on these anti-depressants forever when they could have just got the "bump" needed to get them out of the depression, at which point they could slowly stop.
What I wonder is, why is this rarely done? Why are we medicating away our lives when maybe we don't always have to?
Not sure why this all came to mind. Mother died recently and it's only just starting to feel it. Only, I don't want to use meds. I want to experience the lows and the highs. Opinions, even if they aren't listed in the poll?
I know exactly were you're coming from my friend. I have had similar mental health issues since my early twenties. I've also had epilepsy since I was fourteen which I believe is the root cause of my issues, they both go hand in hand. I know for a fact my epilepsy medication has adverse psychological side effects but I'm stuck with it as the stuff I'm on just now is the "least bad" option, so it's a trade off between major seizures or mental health issues. My major seizure's are really controlled and stable at moment so I'm not changing my meds to make me feel "happier".
Personally I have always resisted anti-depressants as epilepsy medication can make you feel drowsy and tired anyway and anything on top of that would just make me feel like a zombie or octogenarian. Also a lot of my drivers of depression/anxiety are environmental and circumstantial factors outwith my control. Personally speaking I find that anti-depressants don't help me as they cannot remove me from my environment or circumstances. Conversely I have found that the occasional trip to a bar (not alcoholism)or even playing an RPG or painting/art can alleviate the low's by providing a little breathing space through escapism and respite from the real world. It's a really great feeling to get a couple of drinks, maybe catch a sports game or live band and leave your illness and personal baggage at the bar's front door.
Suicide: Yeah I've had that voice in my head, it can be very seductive. Fortunately I've always been able to pull myself back from the brink, I think through a certain rationalization by taking the focus off myself e.g. " it would be great to stop all this and give up, I'm so tired and can't take anymore...oh no that would absolutely devastate my family..how can I do this it's so selfish". I still hear that voice only recently I walked into the bedroom and it told me to hang myself with the leather belt that was on the bed but as soon as I had that thought it was gone in seconds. At least I'm fortunate enough to have family and relations to use as an anchor to this world. It must be exceptionally hard for people that are alone or estranged to hang on when times are tough.
I'm better at dealing with it now through experience as I now recognize that these are not my true feeling's but what I personally call "phantom emotions" illusion's possibly caused by epilepsy or epilepsy medication. I know I don't want to kill myself as I have been attacked by a gang in the past and remembered the strong instinctive will to survive and escape
the attack. Whenever I get suicidal thought's I also try to remember my past illnesses (really wishing to get better) and the time I was nearly run over by a car, I focus on remembering that instinctive survival adrenaline rush and I absolutely know that I want to live.
I'm thinking of giving the "voice" or thoughts a name (maybe Mr S) so I can try and disassociate them from my core true identity. Kinda like viewing "Mr S" as the drunken barfly who wants to be your best friend and talks shit when you're having a drink. Next time I'll tell that deceptive bastard to "stop bugging me and fuck off".
Ironically I once talked a suicidal young man round while I was doing my best impression of a barfly. I think he just wanted someone to give him the time of day, that he mattered and wasn't worthless. I sometimes wonder what if I'd stayed in that night and that guy had talked to the wrong type of person that night, I just went out on a complete whim it was a complete fluke that I talked to him. It's funny how things work out, life's weird and sometimes your life/future comes down to a toss of a coin.
BTW: What works for me, works for me. It may not be advisable or appropriate for somebody else. I'm not recommending anything here, everybody has different medical circumstances.
IDK this has always resonated with me
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Post by nanotm on Nov 20, 2018 13:08:16 GMT
For years, after a suicide attempt in 1998-1999, I was on anti-depressants. I don't recall them actually making much of a difference. I tried a few different ones and finally gave up and told the doctors what I thought they wanted to hear. Thing is, when I weaned myself off of them, I didn't feel any different. When I quit drinking, and whatever else I was doing, my mood started to improve. I found that I could face problems, fears, etc. without medication. I also learned that everyone experiences ups and downs and that trying to remove the downs is a disservice. Always looking to be "happy" is a recipe for self-destruction.
I'm aware that some people can't survive without medication. I'm also aware that for some it is useful for alleviating a temporary mood problem. Thing is, I see lots of people on these anti-depressants forever when they could have just got the "bump" needed to get them out of the depression, at which point they could slowly stop.
What I wonder is, why is this rarely done? Why are we medicating away our lives when maybe we don't always have to?
Not sure why this all came to mind. Mother died recently and it's only just starting to feel it. Only, I don't want to use meds. I want to experience the lows and the highs. Opinions, even if they aren't listed in the poll?
it depends on a lot of factors but the primary driving ones always tend towards the wisdom and education of the doctor and how much there being paid to prescribe stuff and how much of a workload they have, my previous GP's drive was to keep me in the work place for as long as possible so he prescribed me all kinds of medication (hence why I'm in a wheel chair) rather than sending me for tests and having the broken bits fixed to some degree (better a pill head doing the job than an empty space needing a worker) and the kinds of things he prescribed would get a normal GP struck off (yay for military exemptions) my current GP nearly fell out of his chair in shock when he saw the repeat list I arrived with on transfer to his care, he wasn't being paid to overprescribe in the same fashion I had no job to do and he wanted to discover just what had been missed and if any of it was recoverable damage (shocker it was too late for that) on the other hand my wife who wasn't a soldier was under prescribed for many years becasue her GP didnt view her condition as "real" and thus refused to issue the high priced medications (since budgets) her new GP had a lower case load and greater wisdom and spent several sessions discussing the pro's and cons of various options, a few years later and she's barely medicated at all has developed a coping strategy (that tends towards venting at me about everything, but hey thats what marriage as all about- helping each other anyway you can) when I was clinically depressed I wasn't given medication to help but instead counselling, the counsellor suggested taking a change in medication and a few months later our sessions and the new meds came to an end becasue the rest was up to me (it takes a lot to make your change your fundamental outlook on life, i.e. if a job needs doing get it done, instead going through the motions of pretending your still capable but need a little time to prepare or some outside factor is preventing you from doing it... that shit is a serious downer) but your poll is ineffective it doesnt have enough options, and then of course there are the fact that despite 10,000 people al having the exact same symptoms every single one of them will have slightly different headspace issues and physiology, in one a simple mineral or vitamin pill may do the job whilst in others you need the sledge hammer effect of lithium tablets to plateaux them before starting any of the fixing work (those are the two primary extremes of physiological issues, the problem is your headspace can be anywhere from corner dwelling dribbler to amped up barbarian blood rage) the danger in most things medical is not having the right people for the job, them not having enough time for the patient load and the drug companies pushing hard to offload old stock (often paying or offering large premiums to prescribers for using their product, and when you consider those pills cost up to £25 each and come in boxes of several hundred those doctors can be getting rewards of £10-15 per pill prescribed whcih will often allow them to kick the problem down the road and hope the case load is diminished some in the future (and plenty of clinicians think hope is a viable strategy rather than the path of fools) this then allows people to fall through the cracks as it were and follow up appointments doing nothing more than blood pressure and still giving you the pills (these problems are a lot worse in the USA where the drug companies often push doctors to prescribing the wrong items based on HMO policies that their reps had written or external pressure on them becasue the drug company bought their debts... making them both greedy and stupid)
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Post by dmc1001 on Nov 20, 2018 20:06:42 GMT
Ultimately, yes, the poll doesn't account for all variables. It can't. It's why my original post said: Not sure why this all came to mind. Mother died recently and it's only just starting to feel it. Only, I don't want to use meds. I want to experience the lows and the highs. Opinions, even if they aren't listed in the poll? Fact is, what I went through didn't require medication. It required facing things. Also, there is a specific "until the depression is lifted" option. There are people who don't recover from certain psychological problems but I think that's the exception rather than the rule.
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Post by mousestalker on Nov 20, 2018 20:23:23 GMT
As others have said, taking medication really depends upon what the cause of the problem is. The other side of my Dad's family are all bipolar. That means that they require medication just to be semi-normal. Some people are depressed without any manic phase and they need something just to survive. But if you are sad or grieving because of a life event, medication can (sometimes) retard any long term coping.
My mother died three years ago. I still grieve. That will never stop, nor should it. But I, and my siblings, are learning to cope.
The issue is even more complicated. Sometimes the doctors push the pills simply because it's the easiest solution for them.
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Post by House Targaryen on Nov 20, 2018 20:56:16 GMT
Lived with depression all of my life. Never felt the need to get medication or see a quack about it. I'm moody, I go through mood swings and there are times that depression hits me so hard that its what I call dark. Feels like the world is caving in on you. A few hours later I'll be fine. Medication, I guess that depends on the person from case to case and how they deal with it.
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