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Post by Nightscrawl on Jul 29, 2018 3:42:50 GMT
So then I say, "I'm sure whatever Solas is doing, he has good reasons!" *doubt doubt* And then Cole is like, "Dude, you're blind. I'm giving you a downvote" At least, I think it was Cole... Lol I thought it was just the opposite? Or is that only if you've romanced him and pick the "I love him!" option? Cole is like, "Yay!" and everyone else gives a downvote to say, "Okay this girl has serious issues / Are you fucking serious?"
Of course most people probably don't see many approval changes by that point, as you're locked at max approval.
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Post by phoray on Jul 29, 2018 3:46:55 GMT
Lol I thought it was just the opposite? It may have been! I just remember Cole sticking out as being different from the rest. He likes the loyalty
Of course most people probably don't see many approval changes by that point, as you're locked at max approval.
I was definitely not maxed on everyone. I couldn't even FIND Viv my first pt, I think I forgot cole existed for half the game, though did manage to do his quest. So it may have been ONLY him that had any reaction and then I forgot which one.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 29, 2018 4:01:56 GMT
Until you get wise to his ultimate plan, either he exposes himself Ultron style/ The Inquisition informs you or anothercharacter familiar with Solas does the same. The problem I see with this is so many people at end of Trespasser wanted to join Solas, but it sounds like in this scenario, a defection is required. So you only get to help him, "in ignorance" ? for a bit before yet again being forced to oppose him. but also because you have to play a character oblivious to that while you as the player aren't until the reveal. This is also a problem. yet a third problem is that once again, Solas will know your in's and out's, you being his underling and all, so you no longer qualify as the person he doesn't know. - we the players knew all along by that point who Solas was ...ummm... I mean, I knew he was a powerful magic user who killed flemeth, but the first tim eI played through, I was quite ignorant about the Dalish, hadn't been that close to Merril, hadn't played a Dalish or researched one... so I was honestly surprised to learn he was the Dread Wolf.... Oh I could easily see the final choice in the game being between to help him or not. In one way or another. As to your other point that is...well a good one that I hadn't considered before which just blows that all to hell. I just want some time to get to know Solas as the 'bad guy' and let him marinate properly in his new role (and be well written) rather then just be another Corypheus or Archon. Which granted I liked both villains but in Cory's case there was so much wasted potential. The best villains BioWare has ever done are Saren and the Arishock. One of whom you got a lot of time to know by working with them and talking with them.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 29, 2018 5:03:01 GMT
The problem I see with this is so many people at end of Trespasser wanted to join Solas, but it sounds like in this scenario, a defection is required. So you only get to help him, "in ignorance" ? for a bit before yet again being forced to oppose him. This is also a problem. yet a third problem is that once again, Solas will know your in's and out's, you being his underling and all, so you no longer qualify as the person he doesn't know. ...ummm... I mean, I knew he was a powerful magic user who killed flemeth, but the first tim eI played through, I was quite ignorant about the Dalish, hadn't been that close to Merril, hadn't played a Dalish or researched one... so I was honestly surprised to learn he was the Dread Wolf.... Oh I could easily see the final choice in the game being between to help him or not. In one way or another. As to your other point that is...well a good one that I hadn't considered before which just blows that all to hell. I just want some time to get to know Solas as the 'bad guy' and let him marinate properly in his new role (and be well written) rather then just be another Corypheus or Archon. Which granted I liked both villains but in Cory's case there was so much wasted potential. The best villains BioWare has ever done are Saren and the Arishock. One of whom you got a lot of time to know by working with them and talking with them. If only there was a way that we could have had a whole game with him as friends with the protagonist, only for the two to have to face each other as enemies in the second game allowing that game to explore him as an antagonist.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 29, 2018 5:07:21 GMT
Oh I could easily see the final choice in the game being between to help him or not. In one way or another. As to your other point that is...well a good one that I hadn't considered before which just blows that all to hell. I just want some time to get to know Solas as the 'bad guy' and let him marinate properly in his new role (and be well written) rather then just be another Corypheus or Archon. Which granted I liked both villains but in Cory's case there was so much wasted potential. The best villains BioWare has ever done are Saren and the Arishock. One of whom you got a lot of time to know by working with them and talking with them. If only there was a way that we could have had a whole game with him as friends with the protagonist, only for the two to have to face each other as enemies in the second game allowing that game to explore him as an antagonist. Indeed. It would 'solve' these issues. And probably create a few more. On the flip side too at least as far as my personal Inquisitor is concerned it actually does make a lot of sense too for her to oppose Solas in the next Dragon Age game considering the simularities between both characters. Kind of like they are twisted mirrors of eachother.
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Post by melbella on Jul 29, 2018 15:49:27 GMT
So then I say, "I'm sure whatever Solas is doing, he has good reasons!" *doubt doubt* And then Cole is like, "Dude, you're blind. I'm giving you a downvote" At least, I think it was Cole... Lol I thought it was just the opposite? Or is that only if you've romanced him and pick the "I love him!" option? Cole is like, "Yay!" and everyone else gives a downvote to say, "Okay this girl has serious issues / Are you fucking serious?"
Of course most people probably don't see many approval changes by that point, as you're locked at max approval.
I though I remembered reading somewhere that they actually raised the approval limit, just so Cole could approve of that response? Or maybe they just thought about it?
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Post by TabithaTH on Jul 29, 2018 16:19:00 GMT
You forgot the part where Cassandra reads Varric’s book . I thought I remembered reading somewhere that they actually raised the approval limit, just so Cole could approve of that response? Or maybe they just thought about it? I don’t understand why they even had approval changes in Trespasser. I mean, it’s not like they were going to leave you or anything. It seems like it’s only fluff to make you know that they (dis)agree with your decision regarding Solas. They aren’t even with you when you actually talk to Solas and make the choice that ultimately carries over to the next game.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jul 29, 2018 19:37:39 GMT
I don’t understand why they even had approval changes in Trespasser. I mean, it’s not like they were going to leave you or anything. It seems like it’s only fluff to make you know that they (dis)agree with your decision regarding Solas. There was a Patrick Weekes tweet about it. I'm pretty sure this is the exact reason. He just wanted to show all these reactions (esp. Cole). I thought it was pretty humorous.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Jul 29, 2018 20:42:57 GMT
I don’t understand why they even had approval changes in Trespasser. I mean, it’s not like they were going to leave you or anything. It seems like it’s only fluff to make you know that they (dis)agree with your decision regarding Solas. There was a Patrick Weekes tweet about it. I'm pretty sure this is the exact reason. He just wanted to show all these reactions (esp. Cole). I thought it was pretty humorous. Yep. He also mentioned what a PITA it was to make it work, all for a little easter egg. I for one appreciate the effort.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 30, 2018 20:09:07 GMT
Re reading the last few posts...does coles approval in Tresspasser amount to some kind of easter egg?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 30, 2018 20:11:58 GMT
but also because you have to play a character oblivious to that while you as the player aren't until the reveal. This is also a problem. yet a third problem is that once again, Solas will know your in's and out's, you being his underling and all, so you no longer qualify as the person he doesn't know. Exactly. Like I said, building a connection to Solas with a new PC causes the exact same situation that some argue as evidence why the Inquisitor can't be the one. Yet if you leave that character having no connection to Solas, he becomes just another crazy mage who wants to destroy the world. Hence the best way from a writing standpoint is to have the Inquisitor continue.
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Post by TabithaTH on Jul 30, 2018 22:59:41 GMT
This is also a problem. yet a third problem is that once again, Solas will know your in's and out's, you being his underling and all, so you no longer qualify as the person he doesn't know. Exactly. Like I said, building a connection to Solas with a new PC causes the exact same situation that some argue as evidence why the Inquisitor can't be the one. Yet if you leave that character having no connection to Solas, he becomes just another crazy mage who wants to destroy the world. Hence the best way from a writing standpoint is to have the Inquisitor continue. Honestly I feel like they’ve painted themselves into a very tight corner. They should have dealt with trespasser differently or made another DLC for DA:I. I think that no matter what they do, a bunch of people are going to be disappointed. Probably more than if they had made sure they could start with a clean slate.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 30, 2018 23:26:28 GMT
Exactly. Like I said, building a connection to Solas with a new PC causes the exact same situation that some argue as evidence why the Inquisitor can't be the one. Yet if you leave that character having no connection to Solas, he becomes just another crazy mage who wants to destroy the world. Hence the best way from a writing standpoint is to have the Inquisitor continue. Honestly I feel like they’ve painted themselves into a very tight corner. They should have dealt with trespasser differently or made another DLC for DA:I. I think that no matter what they do, a bunch of people are going to be disappointed. Probably more than if they had made sure they could start with a clean slate. Not sure what they could've done given what they traditionally do.
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Post by phoray on Jul 31, 2018 0:35:52 GMT
Honestly I feel like they’ve painted themselves into a very tight corner. They should have dealt with trespasser differently or made another DLC for DA:I. I think that no matter what they do, a bunch of people are going to be disappointed. Probably more than if they had made sure they could start with a clean slate. Not sure what they could've done given what they traditionally do. Confused. What they traditionally do?
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Post by melbella on Jul 31, 2018 0:51:03 GMT
They've had a new PC each game. They could have just not had Solas in Trespasser at all. It could have been just a qunari threat for the Inquisition to discover on its own and deal with amidst the political shitshow of the Exalted Council. Without the confrontation at the end with Solas, the end of DAI and Solas just "disappearing" still stands as the last we've seen/heard of him. Without forcing the Inquisitor to decide to stop/redeem him, there wouldn't be an argument for "it has to be the Inquisitor now." Which is where we're at.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 31, 2018 2:51:09 GMT
Not sure what they could've done given what they traditionally do. Confused. What they traditionally do? Bridget DLCs which wrap up the events of one game or set up the plot for the next one. Arrival, Legacy, Witch Hunt, Tresspasser. Sure they may have written themselves into a corner but the only way to have them not do so would've been to kill the Inquisitor off.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Jul 31, 2018 4:25:24 GMT
Confused. What they traditionally do? Bridget DLCs which wrap up the events of one game or set up the plot for the next one. Arrival, Legacy, Witch Hunt, Tresspasser. Sure they may have written themselves into a corner but the only way to have them not do so would've been to kill the Inquisitor off. I think there were plenty of other options besides killing off the Inquisitor. The could have done as Melbella suggested. The could have allowed the Inquisitor to follow Solas through the mirror, as they did with Morrigan. There are surely others, but it's late and I'm sleepy. Instead, they chose to have the Inquisitor claim personal responsibility for the Solas situation. Repeatedly.Whether they intend to make good on that claim or not, we will have to wait and see.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jul 31, 2018 7:55:37 GMT
Re reading the last few posts...does coles approval in Tresspasser amount to some kind of easter egg? Yes and no. Cole's reaction is Cole, but PW (and the coders, of course) finagled it to show regardless of whether you had max approval, or not, otherwise you'd miss it. Since it can safely be assumed that most people have max approval by the third DLC, extra steps had to be taken.
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Post by TabithaTH on Jul 31, 2018 9:42:20 GMT
They've had a new PC each game. They could have just not had Solas in Trespasser at all. It could have been just a qunari threat for the Inquisition to discover on its own and deal with amidst the political shitshow of the Exalted Council. Without the confrontation at the end with Solas, the end of DAI and Solas just "disappearing" still stands as the last we've seen/heard of him. Without forcing the Inquisitor to decide to stop/redeem him, there wouldn't be an argument for "it has to be the Inquisitor now." Which is where we're at. When talking about trespasser, someone mentioned that the whole DLC was designed to wrap up two specific loose ends. They needed to remove the anchor from the inquisitor. And they wanted to make sure that the inquisitor knew Solas was the Dread Wolf, just like the player does at the end of the main game. Thus they would never have made a story in which you did not meet Solas.
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Post by eliscous on Jul 31, 2018 11:25:44 GMT
I don't think we will see the Inquisitor as a activ character in the next installment. At the end of Tresspasser he has no more anchor and lost his forearm, the Inquisition can be disbanded and he explains clearly that they need to find other people for stoping Solas. It is pretty clear for me that Bioware wants the Inquisitor out of the picture. And this time Bioware tries to find a better reason that for the warden( looking for a cure! lol. ) I suppose that the people we see at the end of Tresspasser (Cassandra, Cullen, Leliana, Josephine Harding and the Inquisitor) will play a role but not as activ character. The only one I see having a bigger involment is Dorian because whater your choices are, he will be in Tevinter at the end of the game and we know that the next DA will take place in Tevinter.
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Post by duckley on Jul 31, 2018 16:17:39 GMT
I do think the Inquisitor needs to be referenced in some way. He/she could be talked about, read about, could be a NPC, or what might be really cool, is that we play as the Inquisiotr for a brief period of time at the beginning, or perhaps the end of the game ... kind of like what Ciri and Geralt in Witcher 3.
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Post by Starfang on Aug 1, 2018 4:49:39 GMT
In all seriousness though, I do think at least a cameo of sorts is inevitable like I imagine the new hero may have questions for the Inquisitor regarding the Fade, Corypheus, Solas, etc. So as long as we get to recreate them or even better yet simply upload the character from an existing DAI save then I'm all for it. I do enjoy the trend of playing as new characters each time, except for DA:A, wherein my HoF always survives (f%^k death ok) to save the world again.
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Post by Sifr on Aug 1, 2018 6:56:37 GMT
Don't know how useful One Armed Inq would be in a fight if he/she returned. You could have the Inquisitor join us for a section where we're sent into the Fade (mentally, like in DAO and DA2).
Since the body you have in the Fade isn't your actual one, only how you think you appear, what's to stop the Inquisitor from conjuring up their missing limb to help fight alongside us? We've seen in both the games and comics that dreamers can alter their appearance, so it wouldn't be lore-breaking. Nor does it diminish that outside of the Fade, there isn't such an easy fix available and the Inquisitor has had to learn to deal with the loss of a limb.
But I'd still love to see a scene of the real-world Inquisitor kicking someone's arse, reminding us that they never needed two arms or the Anchor to be a badass. They thwarted Corypheus at Haven completely hands-free, tricking him into monologuing and then kicking the trebuchet to get it to fire.
I don't really understand the whole 'inquisitor finished Hawke's villian' argument. Hawke did stop Corypheus. He was dead. The Hawke/Corypheus story was over. By the time Hawke found out he was back, he had apparently moved on and someone else was handling it. To be honest, I would have preferred it if Hawke had remained with the Inquisition after HLTA.
(Because I refuse to even entertain the fool notion that leaving Hawke in the Fade should have even been considered as an option)
It felt forced and out-of-character to have them simply abandon Varric and dealing with Corypheus to instead go play messenger for the Wardens. Especially when one of the many surviving Wardens at Adamant could easily have delivered the news to Weisshaupt themselves, rather than relying on the non-Warden outsider to do it for them?
It would have made more sense for Hawke to want to stay on as a member of the Inquisition. Not as a full-companion, but instead working in a capacity similar to Morrigan. Rather than joining us in the field, Hawke could have been like Sutherland and the Chargers, someone we could send out via war table missions.
At the very least, why not have Hawke present during the final fight that finally puts Corypheus down for good?
Sure, the Inquisitor was dealing with Corypheus now, but wasn't the entire point of DA2 that Hawke isn't someone who walks away from things... even when it would have been in their own best interests and personal safety not to get involved?
Varric stuck around because he felt immense guilt for having let the proverbial genie out of the bottle, even if all he did was lead Hawke to the prison. Yet Hawke, responsible for breaking the seals that bound Corypheus, doesn't want to stick around to make sure he stays dead this time?
I dunno about anyone else, but it feels OOC. Even a notorious jerkass like Red!Hawke wouldn't simply bail like that.
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Post by eliscous on Aug 1, 2018 7:54:36 GMT
In all seriousness though, I do think at least a cameo of sorts is inevitable like I imagine the new hero may have questions for the Inquisitor regarding the Fade, Corypheus, Solas, etc. So as long as we get to recreate them or even better yet simply upload the character from an existing DAI save then I'm all for it. I do enjoy the trend of playing as new characters each time, except for DA:A, wherein my HoF always survives (f%^k death ok) to save the world again. I am personally reluctant. On one side it seams logical and predictable that we will hear from the Inquisitor again because his / her story is not finished yet. In my opinion not as an activ character. But on the other side I do not want to hear from her again because I am satisfied with the end of Tresspasser. In my headcanon she retire from activ duty (disbanded the inquisitation) and retire with her LI and it is good for me. I do not need something else. I am afraid of what Bioware can do because they really did not handle the Warden very well. I was happy with the end of DAA and after that in DA2 I learn my husband call me "old ball and chain" (witty humor lol) but more seriously I litteraly disapear before the event of DAI. I am queen but I let my king alone with a war between templars and mages going on, as a warden I let the order handle by itself the false call and the threat of Corypheus and for what? A search of a cure? Ok but at this moment the Inquisition was more important than a cure sorry. It was not logical and I do not think it fits with a lot of headcanons.
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Post by Guardian on Aug 7, 2018 3:37:10 GMT
I don't know myself, really. DAI was the first time I didn't feel an attachment to the Main Character in a Bioware game. Will they show up in DA4? Maybe, probably in the same capacity as Hawke did in Inquisition. Do I want it to/care if it happen(s)? Eh....not really. I won't be upset if it does, but I won't be disappointed if it doesn't either. I would love for the Warden Commander to return (not going to happen) and would like to once again run as my Hawke (also not going to happen). But I'm also concerned who the main character will be in DA4. If it's some Tevinter cheerleader that wants/supports the return of the Old Gods, then yeah, give me the Inquisitor any day over that kind of character I was happy with the ending to Trespasser, and felt the Inquisitor's story was done (which is a first for any DA game I've played thus far - feeling both Hawke and the Warden Commander had much more story to tell). Still, I will wait and read all information that is released before deciding on if I get this game day one or wait for a few months. But to answer your question, while not a deal breaker, it doesn't affect whether or not I will play this game.
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