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Post by gangrelbeckett on Aug 2, 2018 8:45:05 GMT
I know they are minor Characters but i would love to see if some of the kidnapped City-Elves from Origins make an Appearance in DA 4. After all they abducted to Tevinter.
The City Elf Father Cyrion Tabris and the Elder Valendrian are good candidates but i would prefer Soris fiancee Valora.
In contrast to Cyrion and Valendrian Valora always been shipped off to the Tevinter. Regardless of the Origin.
Also she isn´t that old. She could live in the Time when DA 4 start.
I don´t say that Valora should be a important character in DA 4 but Bioware could use her as a Questgiver. And the City Elf Players are getting some Reference to this Origin.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 2, 2018 8:49:25 GMT
Sure, I guess. It would be a neat little easter egg for the people who care and it wouldn't affect me at all.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Aug 2, 2018 9:08:34 GMT
Sure, I guess. It would be a neat little easter egg for the people who care and it wouldn't affect me at all. For the Players who haven´t played the City Elf Origin it doesn´t matter if if Elven Slave Nr. 16 is named Valora and moans about Ferelden and Soris.
But for those who know Valora it would a nice reminder that Bioware haven´t forget this minor characters.
I am aware that Valora isn´t Fenris or even Feynriel who are more important and worthy of mention.
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 2, 2018 12:50:21 GMT
And Soris ditched her for a human. That's a typical cowardly beta male with no backbone.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 2, 2018 15:22:47 GMT
And Soris ditched her for a human. Well to be fair he could hardly march into Tevinter to get her back. Even if he sold himself into slavery there is no guarantee he would end up in the same place that she did. I think he only met and married his human wife after the events of DAO so may be he had accepted the fact he would never see Valora again and moved on. After all, it wasn't a love match but a practical arrangement between families/alienages, so he had little emotional attachment and effectively the agreement was no longer binding. |
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 2, 2018 15:28:14 GMT
I did think at one time that if they did a elven slave origin story then you could have been sent to Tevinter as a child as part of that shipment authorised by Loghain, which would give a nice little link back in time. Then your personal side-quest could involve tracking down other people who were enslaved with you, one of which could be Valora. However, there is no guarantee we will even be able to play separate races next time round.
A little cameo by Valora wouldn't do any harm though, as a nod to those who played the city elf origin.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Aug 2, 2018 15:53:42 GMT
I did think at one time that if they did a elven slave origin story then you could have been sent to Tevinter as a child as part of that shipment authorised by Loghain, which would give a nice little link back in time. Then your personal side-quest could involve tracking down other people who were enslaved with you, one of which could be Valora. However, there is no guarantee we will even be able to play separate races next time round. That would be cool but i doubt that Bioware will ever consider this for DA 4.
Also its an easy Cameo for Bioware. Valora would regardless of the Origin always be in Tevinter.
Her Charactermodel isn´t that unique and her Voice Actress could also be changed. The only Variable would be if she mentions the City Elf Warden in DA 4. But this isn´t necessary.
Interessing Note it won´t be the first Time that Erin Matthews would be replaced. She was the original Voice Actress for Merrill (DAO)
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Post by thats1evildude on Aug 2, 2018 17:49:12 GMT
And Soris ditched her for a human. That's a typical cowardly beta male with no backbone. He's a cowardly beta male because he married for love, regardless of societal expectations?
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 3, 2018 18:18:44 GMT
And Soris ditched her for a human. Well to be fair he could hardly march into Tevinter to get her back. Even if he sold himself into slavery there is no guarantee he would end up in the same place that she did. I think he only met and married his human wife after the events of DAO so may be he had accepted the fact he would never see Valora again and moved on. After all, it wasn't a love match but a practical arrangement between families/alienages, so he had little emotional attachment and effectively the agreement was no longer binding. That is NO excuse. Even if he didn't want her as a wife he still would have done something. He's just a cowardly person who rather have relations with a human, rather than to help his own people. |
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 3, 2018 18:22:39 GMT
And Soris ditched her for a human. That's a typical cowardly beta male with no backbone. He's a cowardly beta male because he married for love, regardless of societal expectations?
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 3, 2018 18:56:14 GMT
That is NO excuse. Even if he didn't want her as a wife he still would have done something.
He did do something in the city elf origin; he helps you rescue them. However, in the later episode the elves are being lied to. They are told the elves are being quarantined because they have some sort of plague. There are armed guards on the door to keep them out. Elves are not permitted to possess any weapon bigger than a knife so they are at a considerable disadvantage in trying to get in.
Also, if you don't do the city elf origin then Soris is thrown in jail and we rescue him from there, by which time his fiancée has already been despatched to Tevinter. I seem to recall that it is only with this outcome that he ends up marrying a human. I'm pretty sure it doesn't happen if the Warden is a city elf unless Soris is allowed to take the blame for breaking into the castle and rescuing the women because in that event he also ends up being jailed and never gets to marry her.
Still, even if I am wrong and he always ends up marrying a human, how does that make him a spineless coward? He didn't ditch Valora in order to marry the human. Valora was already beyond his reach because she had been sent to Tevinter. That would give him the option of either waiting to be hooked up with someone else by the elder or marrying the woman of his choice. It may be that the elven community regarded him as permanently married to Valora even after her abduction but we are not told that. Nor is it apparent exactly how he met his human wife but whatever the case, his feelings for her are genuine and it takes a fair bit of courage by both of them to actually marry in view of the attitude of both communities to such a union. |
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 3, 2018 19:07:14 GMT
That is NO excuse. Even if he didn't want her as a wife he still would have done something. He did do something in the city elf origin; he helps you rescue them. However, in the later episode the elves are being lied to. They are told the elves are being quarantined because they have some sort of plague. There are armed guards on the door to keep them out. Elves are not permitted to possess any weapon bigger than a knife so they are at a considerable disadvantage in trying to get in. Also, if you don't do the city elf origin then Soris is thrown in jail and we rescue him from there, by which time his fiancée has already been despatched to Tevinter. I seem to recall that it is only with this outcome that he ends up marrying a human. I'm pretty sure it doesn't happen if the Warden is a city elf unless Soris is allowed to take the blame for breaking into the castle and rescuing the women. That is still no excuse. He would've asked around and go to the Grey Warden for help, or look for Zeveran to help him find her. But he rather marry a human and have kids with, and top of ALL that when that prick offered me money to spare his life, Soris trying to convince me to take the money. What kind of man does that? That is the definition of a cowardly weak beta male. |
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 3, 2018 19:15:49 GMT
and top of ALL that when that prick offered me money to spare his life, Soris trying to convince me to take the money. What kind of man does that? Sorry I don't recall this happening on my run at all. You clearly made different dialogue choices to me. He would've asked around and go to the Grey Warden for help, or look for Zeveran to help him find her What Grey Wardens? They were all dead except for the PC, Alistair and Riorden (who was also in prison). As for Zevran, he doesn't even know him. I seriously doubt Zevran would risk his neck by going into the Tevinter underworld in order to seek out the wife of a perfect stranger to him. Tevinter is a huge country so the chances of finding one slave are negligible unless you have the right contacts and neither Zevran nor Soris would. Besides Zevran has his own problems as evidenced in DA2. If he sticks around for any length of time at all it is because of his connection with the Warden (either as good friend or lover) and he still has to leave eventually because the Crows are on his tail. |
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 3, 2018 19:23:11 GMT
and top of ALL that when that prick offered me money to spare his life, Soris trying to convince me to take the money. What kind of man does that? Sorry I don't recall this happening on my run at all. You clearly made different dialogue choices to me. He would've asked around and go to the Grey Warden for help, or look for Zeveran to help him find her What Grey Wardens? They were all dead except for the PC, Alistair and Riorden (who was also in prison). As for Zevran, he doesn't even know him. I seriously doubt Zevran would risk his neck by going into the Tevinter underworld in order to seek out the wife of a perfect stranger to him. Tevinter is a huge country so the chances of finding one slave are negligible unless you have the right contacts and neither Zevran nor Soris would. Besides Zevran has his own problems as evidenced in DA2. If he sticks around for any length of time at all it is because of his connection with the Warden (either as good friend or lover) and he still has to leave eventually because the Crows are on his tail. He could've done something. And my point still stands that he's a coward. |
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Post by davesin on Aug 3, 2018 20:00:39 GMT
and top of ALL that when that prick offered me money to spare his life, Soris trying to convince me to take the money. What kind of man does that? Sorry I don't recall this happening on my run at all. You clearly made different dialogue choices to me. Soris asks CE PC something like: "What if Vaughan has a good idea? Maybe we should accept the money to avoid possible bloodshed." You probably went straight ahead with killing Vaughan, without letting him speak. That's the low point of Soris. Valora being enslaved on the other is beyond his control. |
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Aug 3, 2018 20:06:54 GMT
He could've done something. And my point still stands that he's a coward. What should he do if he don´t know exactly where Valora is in Tevinter? I think that Soris did Enough for an ordinary Elf with little to none Fighting Experience. If he was really the Coward you made him why on Earth did he volunteer to save the Women from Vaughan? That makes no Sense.
The Difference between Vaughans Castle and Tevinter is simple. The Castle is in Denerim within his reach. Tevinter is a totally different Story. The big Mistake of your Thoughts is Soris Situation compare to our Real Life. I am not talking that DA is a Game but its Medieval rather than our Modern World.
Soris is an Elf, he is poor, has no clue where Valora is and is a inexperienced in Fighting.
Also he didn´t love her. Its an arrage Marriage. So why should he risk his Life or become a Slave himself? Soris and Valora don´t have the Options to change their Situations.
Last but not least i honestly believe that Soris have waited a few Years before he married this Human. Life goes on. Maybe Valora is married to another Elven Slave? |
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Aug 3, 2018 20:21:39 GMT
Soris asks CE PC something like: "What if Vaughan has a good idea? Maybe we should accept the money to avoid possible bloodshed." You probably went straight ahead with killing Vaughan, without letting him speak. That's the low point of Soris. Is it really? Taking the Money from this Bastard Vaughan sounds bad but the alternative could be worse. Killing Vaughan the Son of Arl of Denerim isn´t something that has no consequences for all Denerim Elfes. Its a Grey Area. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2018 20:25:45 GMT
I think it would pretty cool if we could resolve this story line in a positive way. I hope you get your wish Gangrel.
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Post by davesin on Aug 3, 2018 20:38:07 GMT
Is it really? Taking the Money from this Bastard Vaughan sounds bad but the alternative could be worse. Killing Vaughan the Son of Arl of Denerim isn´t something that has no consequences for all Denerim Elfes. Its a Grey Area. Soris and CE already slaughtered half of the arl's castle when Vaughan makes his offer. Humans going out killing elves was pretty much unavoidable at that point. The only way to avoid riots was to let Vaughan have the women for himself or to at least chicken out once it was clear that violence is the only option here. Also, Vaughan doesn't seem as trustworthy fellow. And he certainly doesn't think much about elves - why would he keep a word given to knife-ear? |
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Aug 3, 2018 20:39:15 GMT
I think it would pretty cool if we could resolve this story line in a positive way. I hope you get your wish Gangrel. Thanks. 
But i don´t think Valora gets an Happy Ending. This isn´t Twelve Years a Slave. |
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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 3, 2018 21:40:12 GMT
I know they are minor Characters but i would love to see if some of the kidnapped City-Elves from Origins make an Appearance in DA 4. After all they abducted to Tevinter. It's a really nice idea. As a slight aside, Vaughan Kendells was probably the only character (where I had a choice) that got shanked by mine in every single playthrough entirely irrespective of the logic of the origin story. Let you out of this bedchamber alive? let you out of this cage alive? I don't think so...   |
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Aug 3, 2018 21:57:29 GMT
Also Thank You. If you like this idea how about this Guy?
Frandlin Ivo
I know its a bit far-fetched but my Dwarf Noble really want to kill this Traitor. He could be hiding in Tevinter Ambrosia if Harrowmond is elected as King. But the Chances are very slim.
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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 3, 2018 22:22:17 GMT
For similar reasons, I could never support Bhelen, that back-stabbing brother...  |
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 3, 2018 22:22:26 GMT
And Soris ditched her for a human. That's a typical cowardly beta male with no backbone. Is this how you whined at some guy on old BSN for having a white girlfriend?  What in God's name are you talking about?? |
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Aug 3, 2018 22:29:27 GMT
For similar reasons, I could never support Bhelen, that back-stabbing brother... Bhelen argued this Coup that their Father Endrin also have done the same thing to his Brother. "Endrin was only the second child of King Ansgar Aeducan but became heir to the throne when he convinced his elder brother to fight in a Proving against a convicted murderer, thus resulting in his brother's death. According to Bhelen, Endrin was responsible for the poison found on the murderer's blade." |
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