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Post by cloud9 on Aug 3, 2018 22:37:38 GMT
He could've done something. And my point still stands that he's a coward. What should he do if he don´t know exactly where Valora is in Tevinter? I think that Soris did Enough for an ordinary Elf with little to none Fighting Experience. If he was really the Coward you made him why on Earth did he volunteer to save the Women from Vaughan? That makes no Sense.
The Difference between Vaughans Castle and Tevinter is simple. The Castle is in Denerim within his reach. Tevinter is a totally different Story. The big Mistake of your Thoughts is Soris Situation compare to our Real Life. I am not talking that DA is a Game but its Medieval rather than our Modern World.
Soris is an Elf, he is poor, has no clue where Valora is and is a inexperienced in Fighting.
Also he didn´t love her. Its an arrage Marriage. So why should he risk his Life or become a Slave himself? Soris and Valora don´t have the Options to change their Situations.
Last but not least i honestly believe that Soris have waited a few Years before he married this Human. Life goes on. Maybe Valora is married to another Elven Slave? I'm not buying that. It's not the fact that he helped my character to the castle, but is the fact that his cowardly actions by convincing me to take the money and leave. And he should've talked to someone to get someone to help him track her down, but he didn't because he doesn't care. I.E. he's a coward.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 3, 2018 22:57:46 GMT
Three posts in and a non-troll thread is derailed. Has to be some kind of record.
Anyway, yes it would be a neat little nod if they showed her. I doubt they will though because of how minor a character she is.
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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 3, 2018 23:01:38 GMT
I'm not buying that. It's not the fact that he helped my character to the castle, but is the fact tgat his cowardly actions by convincing me to take the money and leave. And he should've talked to someone to get someone to help him track her down, but he didn't because he doesn't care. I.E. he's a coward. Er, you've made the same point in 5 posts now, is there something behind this, er, level of focus...?
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 3, 2018 23:16:20 GMT
I'm not buying that. It's not the fact that he helped my character to the castle, but is the fact tgat his cowardly actions by convincing me to take the money and leave. And he should've talked to someone to get someone to help him track her down, but he didn't because he doesn't care. I.E. he's a coward. Er, you've made the same point in 5 posts now, is there something behind this, er, level of focus...? Good. I thought I have to repeat myself more often to get my point across. That took some serious effort and patience on my end.
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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 3, 2018 23:33:06 GMT
Good. I thought I have to repeat myself more often to get my point across. That took some serious effort and patience on my end. I'm pleased that's out of your system now. Though might I add that the 'test' of having got your point across is that it is displayed on the page for people to read. If you further require that people agree with you before you can feel that your point has succeeded, that can go beyond sharing and heads towards bullying behavior. I trust that wasn't what you had in mind...
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 3, 2018 23:43:09 GMT
Good. I thought I have to repeat myself more often to get my point across. That took some serious effort and patience on my end. I'm pleased that's out of your system now. Though might I add that the 'test' of having got your point across is that it is displayed on the page for people to read. If you further require that people agree with you before you can feel that your point has succeeded, that can go beyond sharing and heads towards bullying behavior. I trust that wasn't what you had in mind... If someone agrees or disagrees that's cool with me. And I was being sarcastic.
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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 3, 2018 23:56:17 GMT
If someone agrees or disagrees that's cool with me. And I was being sarcastic. Cool. Poe's Law is a bitch... On with the discussion about Valora and other possibly returning minor characters...
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 4, 2018 0:54:42 GMT
Sorry I don't recall this happening on my run at all. You clearly made different dialogue choices to me. Soris asks CE PC something like: "What if Vaughan has a good idea? Maybe we should accept the money to avoid possible bloodshed." You probably went straight ahead with killing Vaughan, without letting him speak. That's the low point of Soris. Valora being enslaved on the other is beyond his control. And he married a human woman and having children with her, which tells me that he doesn't even care. Soris is a disgrace because of that.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 4, 2018 1:04:02 GMT
Soris asks CE PC something like: "What if Vaughan has a good idea? Maybe we should accept the money to avoid possible bloodshed." You probably went straight ahead with killing Vaughan, without letting him speak. That's the low point of Soris. Valora being enslaved on the other is beyond his control. And he married a human woman and having children with her, which tells me that he doesn't even care. Soris is a disgrace because of that. Why is he a disgrace for marrying a woman he loves and having a family with her?
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 4, 2018 3:02:38 GMT
And he married a human woman and having children with her, which tells me that he doesn't even care. Soris is a disgrace because of that. Why is he a disgrace for marrying a woman he loves and having a family with her? I would've understood that he left the Alienage in the beginning of the game to marry someone, but outright abandon his fiancé by not even put forth an effort to look for her, and marrying a human like he doesn't give a shit? Look, there is no nice way to say this. He's a punk.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Aug 4, 2018 3:46:09 GMT
Why is he a disgrace for marrying a woman he loves and having a family with her? I would've understood that he left the Alienage in the beginning of the game to marry someone, but outright abandon his fiancé by not even put forth an effort to look for her, and marrying a human like he doesn't give a shit? Look, there is no nice way to say this. He's a punk. So, you argue that since it was impossible to get his fiance back, he should have made up for it by staying single?
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 4, 2018 4:54:25 GMT
I would've understood that he left the Alienage in the beginning of the game to marry someone, but outright abandon his fiancé by not even put forth an effort to look for her, and marrying a human like he doesn't give a shit? Look, there is no nice way to say this. He's a punk. So, you argue that since it was impossible to get his fiance back, he should have made up for it by staying single? 😂😂😂😂😂🙄😏 This is why I repeat myself to people.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Aug 4, 2018 4:56:55 GMT
So, you argue that since it was impossible to get his fiance back, he should have made up for it by staying single? 😂😂😂😂😂🙄😏
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 4, 2018 9:38:20 GMT
Bhelen argued this Coup that their Father Endrin also have done the same thing to his Brother. "Endrin was only the second child of King Ansgar Aeducan but became heir to the throne when he convinced his elder brother to fight in a Proving against a convicted murderer, thus resulting in his brother's death. According to Bhelen, Endrin was responsible for the poison found on the murderer's blade." You know despite the number of times I played DAO I do not recall reading this. Like father like son, eh? It sort of confirms the idea that the real reason Endrin didn't want Bhelen to succeed him wasn't what he did to his siblings but that fact that Bhelen was not a traditionalist. I always think it sucks that if you want the dwarves to get out of the rut of traditionalism and prosper in the future, you have to choose Bhelen. So without meta-gaming I opt for Harrowmount because he seems to have more integrity but with hindsight I'm prepared to overlook Bhelen's crimes because of the long term benefits for the dwarves.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 4, 2018 9:45:00 GMT
Soris asks CE PC something like: "What if Vaughan has a good idea? Maybe we should accept the money to avoid possible bloodshed." You probably went straight ahead with killing Vaughan, without letting him speak. Yep, when I finally get to Vaughan I show no mercy. It is one of those rare times when I don't think there is any point in giving him a chance to speak because there is nothing he could say to justify what he had done. He broke up a wedding, kidnapped the women, raped my friend and (if I am female) has already resulted in the death of my fiancé. I couldn't kill him fast enough. I'll admit that if I had known that was Soris reaction to the offer of "blood" money I would think less of him than I did but in my world state it never happened and so his reputation is safe.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Aug 4, 2018 11:23:11 GMT
I think he only met and married his human wife after the events of DAO so may be he had accepted the fact he would never see Valora again and moved on. I take it this is in one of the lore books, or something? This was totally new info for me. I did think at one time that if they did a elven slave origin story then you could have been sent to Tevinter as a child as part of that shipment authorised by Loghain, which would give a nice little link back in time. Elves aren't my thing, but this is pretty clever! I would definitely appreciate that sort of minor connection to a previous game. It's also vague enough that you can still headcanon most of your background (family, traumas, etc).
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Post by Nightscrawl on Aug 4, 2018 11:33:31 GMT
moans about Ferelden and Soris Would she, though? It will probably have been at least 15 years by that point. I mean, I suppose it could be in the vein of " sigh This is the life I could/should have had." But given that she had only just met Soris and it was an arranged marriage, it seems unlikely that she would be pining away for him after all that time.
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 4, 2018 14:28:54 GMT
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 4, 2018 14:30:31 GMT
People are also assuming that she had a bad time of it but after the initial shock it may be she accepted the situation and did her best to prosper under it. Whilst Dorian's comments about slavery versus the alienage annoyed me, particularly his rather patronising comments directed at my Lavellan, it has to be acknowledged that some slaves are valued by their owners and have jobs of trust within their households, for example educating the children or managing the running of the place. They can also earn their freedom through their master/mistress wishing to reward their faithful service.
It would have been rather ironic if Soris had gone to the trouble of tracking down Valora, only to have her send him packing because she was now enjoying a far better life in Tevinter than she had in the alienage, including having found her own replacement life partner.
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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 4, 2018 17:00:38 GMT
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Post by Serza on Aug 4, 2018 17:12:57 GMT
I believe I have the perfect meme for this.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Aug 5, 2018 1:47:11 GMT
I did think at one time that if they did a elven slave origin story then you could have been sent to Tevinter as a child as part of that shipment authorised by Loghain, which would give a nice little link back in time. Then your personal side-quest could involve tracking down other people who were enslaved with you, one of which could be Valora. However, there is no guarantee we will even be able to play separate races next time round. A little cameo by Valora wouldn't do any harm though, as a nod to those who played the city elf origin. That would be awesome actually.
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 5, 2018 8:06:30 GMT
People are also assuming that she had a bad time of it but after the initial shock it may be she accepted the situation and did her best to prosper under it. Whilst Dorian's comments about slavery versus the alienage annoyed me, particularly his rather patronising comments directed at my Lavellan, it has to be acknowledged that some slaves are valued by their owners and have jobs of trust within their households, for example educating the children or managing the running of the place. They can also earn their freedom through their master/mistress wishing to reward their faithful service. It would have been rather ironic if Soris had gone to the trouble of tracking down Valora, only to have her send him packing because she was now enjoying a far better life in Tevinter than she had in the alienage, including having found her own replacement life partner. That's like saying she's happy to be held captive under slave master despite being kidnapped from her home. That's ridiculous.
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Don't knock the little winds. They're important - for morale.
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Post by correctamundo on Aug 5, 2018 9:48:10 GMT
Cameos like these give us somewhat more connection to the game world. Which is cool. But they also in a way make the world smaller. Which is uncool. Either way I'm game. 😎 For similar reasons, I could never support Bhelen, that back-stabbing brother... Every Brosca so far have supported Bhelen. I doubt I will change any time soon. 😉 Oh, yeah. Kendalls. That's what shivs are for. 😎 👌
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 5, 2018 10:54:07 GMT
That's like saying she's happy to be held captive under slave master despite being kidnapped from her home. That's ridiculous. This was in fact exactly my reaction when Dorian suggested that being a slave in Tevinter was better than living in a slum or alienage in southern Thedas. However, it has to be acknowledged that some slaves seem to make the best of their situation. Naturally she would never be happy with the means by which she was sent to Tevinter but it is still possible that she might actually have greater status as a slave than she did as an alienage elf. Strangely enough, as the property of someone, she might have greater protection from those outside her residence than as a free serf. Whilst DAO never made this explicit, apparently the associated table top game made the point that in Ferelden it was apparently a crime to kill someone in defence of an elf. This was presumably why Duncan did nothing to stop Vaughan. So naturally non-elves have cart blanche to treat elves as they wish and the elves are not even allowed self-defence as a justification for fighting back. DAO did make it clear that you needed a special licence to travel between alienages and elves trying to make a success of their lives outside the alienage were invariably attacked by the human neighbours and lost whatever they had gained. Yet Ferelden is meant to be one of the better nations when it comes to their treatment. Certainly in Kirkwall a city guard could get away with raping an elven girl and Guard Captain Averline didn't think it a serious enough rumour to look into. Elven children could be preyed upon by a criminal without anything being done about it precisely because they were elves. Meanwhile in Orlais an honest elven merchant was murdered by a noble and again nothing was done to bring him to account by those in authority locally. Also let us not forget Zevran's mother, who was forced into prostitution by the Crows in order to pay off her husband's debts, even though they had been the ones who had murdered him. Given these facts, being well clothed and fed and protected by a considerate owner, who doesn't take advantage of his power over you, might not seem such a bad situation, particularly after your previous experience of being in constant fear of your human neighbours, being kidnapped and nearly raped on your wedding day and then being sold off by your nation's erstwhile leader in order to fund his war effort.
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