Reyes vs Sloane Discussion

Sloane is ruthless but Reyes is a liar and tries to use Ryder. I know what I'm getting with Sloane so I always save her life. She's hardened and disheartened by the events in Nexus Uprising, and I hope that Ryder's actions can soften her stance and improve relations between Kadara, the Angarans and the AI. Even before reading the book, Sloane was always my choice.

My memory is getting bad but if you speak to Drack after Reyes takes over at Umi's I am pretty sure he makes a comment about Sloane that was almost the complete opposite of the above, questioning her Loyalty due to her role in the uprising. Something about her switching sides and "loyalty counting".

Don't like Sloane. Never will. I was tricked into saving her my first game, and have only done so intentionally once (I think?) since then. I don't like the way High Noon plays out, but I prefer Reyes over her.

Drack isn't happy with either choice, saying negative things about both of them. 

Good, because neither do I so long as Tann is sucking air. I don't see why her not trusting AI leadership would raise a flag given the nonsense that went on during the PF's year of absence is one of the first things raised during the story, and there's very few innocents on either side as far as I'm concerned. It is also clear Tann and the leaders went over Sloane's head at the time - why WOULD you trust them? We're meant to believe it's all the exiles fault because we start on the Nexus and get their side of the story early (and hard). The only defense given against it is a few opinions and a chat with Sloane much later - by then most people already have a set opinion. If YOU trust the leadership of the AI, I worry for you.

Addison has a few skeletons in her closet, Kesh (whom I like) has her own priorities, Tann is Tann (but I believe the 'I'm just a boring/evil Salarian' is a front, and then you have Kandros who simply handles military matters (whom I also like). Doesn't matter in the end so long as Tann is playing overlord.

It's clear he's trying to puppet-master a loose-contingent of sub-leaders. I wouldn't be surprised if Tann was the benefactor. He's the last person on the Nexus I'd want running the place. He's made his stance on Krogan's clear already - hell he probably collaborated with Spender on the matter. So yes, when Sloane says Tann messed things up by roping in the Krogan and (intentionally or otherwise) initiating an uprising by not letting her do her job, I believe it. Sounds more like an elaborate plan than a lack of trust in her abilities seeing as she quite casually carved out a home for the exiles in response to quitting her job in disgust - an uprising would have been easier to manage.


Who did she murder then? Aside from Kett and Roekar - enemy factions? Sloanes people are the ones confused about murders in the street - because hey, that was Reyes' doing, either by his own hand or the collective. If you're going to call Sloane a murderer, then hey, Reyes is one too. The most definite case being murdering Sloane herself to take charge. Such words mean nothing in this debate as it's a matter of picking one of two evils (well, one of two greys, really - both had some good intent).


You're starting to sound like someone who has never listened to her dialogue. She set out to make something for her own people - exiles - after Tann's meddling caused a negative end to the uprising. They had to make a home. They took one from anti-alien Angara/Kett. She manages it via protection money. As for drugs - meh, it'd be like telling me off for smoking. Nobody is forced. I choose to smoke. I know it's an addiction, but I don't go to cigarette factories and complain about nicotine. I don't see anything psychopathic about her - she's clearly intelligent, sane and driven, but she's hardly a rabid psyco-lunatic outside of despising the Kett - which, hey, is a good thing.


Some could argue the Initiative gave up on her first, or at least Tann specifically. They went over her head and landed both sides in shit by not trusting her and getting the Krogan out of Cryo to handle things. Her response? Leave and prove herself by taking over a new home for the exiled. If she can do that against Kett/Roekar (whom they wouldn't have known much about at the time), she could have handled unsavoury people on the Nexus trying to get their own way.


Not many complain about her being the sole leader either.


See, this is one of those things we're meant to automatically flinch at, but think about it a little deeper and it's no different than taxes - and the difference is you actually see her results - she's not just taking money, she is legitimately defending those who pay. Even Cora herself gives you an example of this after the fact. Those who visit from the Nexus after Sloane is put in power can do so under her protection for a fee. It really is that simple. It's not like old-school gangster movies where armed thugs bust into houses extorting money. You want in on Kadaraa? Pay your tax then do what you want.

There are probably some truths in there, but Reyes has equal (maybe more) nasty things up his sleeve than the things you're mentioning.

Logic and Rope already said it best - we're meant to like Reyes and not like Sloane. But that's just it - I can respect someone who doesn't try to hide who they are. When I first met Reyes, I always got this weird vibe from him - something that made me scream, "Don't trust him!"

Not saying Sloane is better, but I'd rather her than Reyes really.

I don't have the energy really for this having discussed it several times before but since you have picked my last post apart and chosen select parts that make it seem out of context I will try. 

Re trusting the Initiative the statement is meant to highlight she is not interested in working with the Initiative going forward and that she thinks she would do a better job. Hell no one would trust Tann or Addison my Ryders never do but this is the frame work that Ryder needs to work with and just spitting the dummy like Sloane does is indicative of her lack of ability to move forward with the Initiative and of her leadership in general.

Murderous, well as leader she is responsible for what her hand picked subordinates do and there are Outcast people killing people all over the place and not to mention exiling people to the Badlands is pretty much a death sentence in itself and all because you can't pay your mob protection fees. And it is exactly like an old style gangster movie, the first scene you come upon when you enter Kadara is Sloanes thugs kicking the shit out of someone for not paying their protection fees and Ryder even says "what are you the mob?""

Borderline Psychopath she is, look what she condones and how she behaves towards Ryder. I have listened to her shit 16 times and if not a psychopath she is still a downright brutal dictator who enforces her rule through bribes and brutality and by favouring her own people over anyone else. And I would hope anyone would flinch at people being extorted and physically intimidated/beaten by exiles directed by their self imposed leader. Sloane condones it even if she doesn't do it herself. It is inherently different to taxes, not sure what country you live in but Australia does not send people around to your house to beat you for non-payment of taxes nor do we exile people for not being able to pay taxes. There is just no way you can justify the physical violence or even charging protection fees. Reyes gets around this by taxing cargo which seems a better way to do it than beating people or exiling them.

Sloane is complained about a lot by people in Kadara, I am not sure why you would have missed that in-game. After the change to Reyes I counted 21 instances of NPC's saying something positive about the change and so whether they said nothing previously is irrelevant really because they are happier after Reyes takes over. There are only two NPC's besides Kaetus that I remember that are upset if Sloane gets deposed by Reyes and they are two people in Krallas Song. There may be one other but it is eluding me, oh that's who it is Conrad Verners sister given she worships Sloane probably is but she disappears after the take over. And if ever there was an indicator that Sloane is a bad choice, having the support of Conrad's sister is probably it. 

I am well aware that Reye's lies to Ryder, he has murder holes where he tortures people and is in it mainly for himself. Its purely that when making the decision as to whom should rule Kadara I think Reye's methods of managing the people are better than Sloane's plus you get the added bonus that it gives the Angara a stronger voice which will help solidify the Angaran/Initiative alliance. I also agree with Reyes that "Sloane will bring war to Heleus and we don't have the people for that". She doesn't seem to have any solutions that aren't violent and is intolerant of anyone else's opinion. Which reminds me that SAM tells ryder that Sloane had issues in the Alliance as a "hothead", I can't remember the specific charges but I think they were altercations with superior officers.

Essentially neither is a good choice but it is my belief that Reyes genuinely wants the Initiative to succeed and is willing to work cooperatively even though he to hates Tan, I think he may state that at sometime but not sure.

Anyway its a game and I play games for fun, I really didn't like the way the Dev's made the whole Kadara situation play out to be honest. The player is forced to walk a very narrow path and life and those sort of situations aren't like that.

I love MEA and I truly hope we get a sequel or DLC at some stage that lets us know what takes place off the choice players make in Kadara. I am happy to be proven to have made the wrong decision but I am very comfortable personally with why I have chosen Reyes 14 times and Sloane twice.

I totally agree that Reyes is meant to be charming and we know he is a liar but that is him being himself so do you respect him to?

I'd rather not have a known hot head (her alliance career) who instructs her gang members to beat people for extortion fees or exile people (a virtual death sentence) in charge. I'd also personally rather not get the shit beaten out of me for not paying a protection fee if that's all the same. 

I'd much rather have someone who is a bit shady charging extra tax on cargo myself.

Does anyone else see the irony in that in regards to Sloane "exiling" people after she and her exiles having been exiled?

It's not about her being an ass. Nobody is denying she is. It's about a devil you can see vs a devil you can't.

Reyes plays you constantly, yet people seem happy to forgive his shenanigans on the simple basis that he's 'nice' in person (which was a mere charm offensive), whereas Sloane has more upfront/direct/noticeable methods. Reyes tries to overthrow this with equally shady methods behind the scenes, but I guess that's OK because he gives a wink and a smile. Is his plans for Kadara a bit more palatable than Sloanes? Yes, but his road to getting there is paved in shady shenanigans and an untrusting demeanour.

Well we'll just have to agree to disagree I think 

I thought BW should have given us more options for resolving the situation other than either allowing or not allowing an assassination to take place (I saved Sloane just because I don't approve of assassinations and I'm trying to establish some semblance of the rule of law). I didn't think that necessarily meant putting either her *or* Reyes in charge of the place, nor should it.