Reyes vs Sloane Discussion

Where is the option to rip out both their spines and beat them to death with them?

Along with the option to chew on their fat afterwards?

We like those options.

LOL yeah that had occurred to me too re the Outcasts and Collective jumping out and getting killed all over Kadara. I can't remember from the books how many people were on The Nexus but given most still are in Cryo it is pretty hard to justify the number of hostile people (Outcasts & Collective) and on Elaaden (Scavengers) that you end up killing. 

I think if we are going to pick holes in that, the other thing that always seemed unrealistic is that even if all 20,000 of Ark Hyperion went to EOS, Prodromos would be the size of a small town and then there is still the whole rest of the planet to settle. Kadara Port is taken by the Outcasts with a relatively small number of exiles, it couldn't have been more than say generously 2,000, let them have it. Its a planet why couldn't the Initiative settle somewhere else on Kadara or just focus on EOS. Aya is a planet yet the only habitable place requires a lottery to live there, either there are a lot of Angara there or its a very small habitable site and why would the Jardaan build a vault there for such a small population?

I agree I just don't understand why Sloane feels she's in such a strong position that she is so aggressive towards Ryder and why she feels that that is a good position to hold if that makes sense. Is I driven more by her own sense of entitlement to Kadara, why doesn't she see that re-aligning with the AI is the way to go.

And when Ryder is out of the picture, what happens? That outpost is no longer protected and Sloane does what she wants. Granted, Tann is likely to die (of old age) before Ryder does, but Ryder doesn't exactly follow a safe path. There's no guarantee the relationship will last.

Still much safer than putting the highly organized criminal syndicate in charge. Even if Ryder and Sloane both bite it, and some Outcast jerk seizes power, it won't be as dangerous a situation in the long term as we have with the Collective controlling Kadara Port.

I don't think Ryder's absence would necessarily end the arrangement. It's too beneficial for both groups. It could make it more difficult, though; particularly if Tann tried to insert himself unnecessarily into the situation. I have a feeling that he might be willing to stay out of Addison's way on this one. First of all, it's her job. Secondly, he knows how the exiles feel about him. He even felt sick about it himself, initially (but probably got over it in 10 minutes, salarian-style). I think Addison and Sloane could make it work. I do think Ryder is an asset for Sloane in regard to selling the exiles on the partnership. There's a lot of bad blood there, but the Pathfinder unquestionably acted on behalf of the exiles, gaining credibility the rest of the Initiative might mostly lack on Kadara. They'll likely follow Sloane's lead anyway; but buy-in always makes things easier.

That's because he thinks an Angara is in charge. He won't be amused when he learns the truth, and that Ryder chose not to share the facts with him. Sloane didn't treat the Angara any more shitty than anyone else. They just had the extra gripe that "this was our home first, and now she kicks us out if we don't pay". She didn't let them join the Outcasts because of the danger of Roekarr infiltration, which was very smart. With protection fees, exile to the badlands, and the Roekarr each a thing of the past, I don't imagine the Angara will have it particularly tough moving forward under Sloane. They may be resentful and butthurt for a while, but they'll get over it in time.

And again, just as with the Ai, the Collective is more dangerous to the Angara in the long run due to their goals, lofty ambitions and seemingly high-competence. They may dislike Sloane, but she's no threat to the Angara. She has no ambition beyond Kadara, the place most Angara profess to despise.

I like Reyes. He might be a rogue in the mold of Han Solo, or he might be a truly shady douche. It's hard to say with certainty. It's not really Reyes that I fear, but rather the Collective. If Reyes dies or falls from power, who assumes control? Do they become even less predictable and more dangerous? What happens to the Outcasts minus Sloane? I'm pretty sure they disperse.

Sloane's thugs aren't too scary without her (or even with her), since they don't seem overly ambitious or impressive. She may have some evil geniuses lurking in the Outcasts, but we don't see them or any of their plans for greater things. In contrast, Reyes' control of the Collective us so masterful that people assume the Charlatan is a group of people. (Maybe it is, in a limited way, if he has lieutenants to whom he entrusts some things.) The Collective seem much more competent in a broader sense. We see stolen satellites, now operated by the Collective, in systems across Heleus. We get a peak at their professionalism when we visit their semi-secret base. I'm sure Sloane has some polished pros, too, but I get the general sense that the Collective is superior in this way.

Basically, regardless of how one might feel about her motives or the likelihood of her eventually reintegrating with the Initiative, her "might makes right" knuckle-draggers are far less worrisome to me than Reyes' more sophisticated criminal enterprise.

Nicholas Boulton voiced Reyes OP, not Ramon Tikaram.

With that out of the way, I reluctantly went with Sloane.

I like and still like Reyes as a character (I found him too well written and portrayed not to) but as for the fate of Kadara I ultimately felt I knew what I’d be getting with when having Sloane run things.

Also I had read Nexus Uprising before even playing Andromeda, so had come to know and even warm to Sloane’s character long before even setting foot on Kadara or meeting the Shady Bastard, so instinctively stopped him from having her sniped since I had formed an attachment to the character and her arc. Like I said, I also feel in the long run she’s just better for Kadara.