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Post by alanc9 on Aug 30, 2018 5:34:47 GMT
Finally picked up the ME3 DLC pack, so this is an issue again for me. We've got a lot of freedom for when to do these. I was wondering how you folks felt about the sequence.
I'm one of those RP guys who always has to do something if the PC would do it. I've always found it hard to skip BdtS when the Normandy is flying right through that cluster, for instance.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Aug 30, 2018 7:03:00 GMT
I usually do Omega/Leviathan right after the Cerberus Coup attempt. The Citadel DLC I almost always do right before the final mission or shortly before it so I can have all the possible characters show up.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 30, 2018 16:50:00 GMT
Right after Horizon, then? Yeah, makes sense.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 30, 2018 18:17:23 GMT
From Ashes I play after Citadel coup to bring A/K on the mission. To get the most dialogue from Javik, play the dlc before heading to Menae. Leviathan after Thessia Citadel after Horizon Omega I usually play after Citadel coup
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 30, 2018 18:30:50 GMT
From Ashes I play after Citadel coup to bring A/K on the mission. To get the most dialogue from Javik, play the dlc before heading to Menae. Leviathan after Thessia Citadel after Horizon Omega I usually play after Citadel coup I do some of this. If I do From Ashes before Menae, I can't have A/K with me on Eden Prime. It's also my preference to take A/K to EP because this is the place where it all started and A/K were part of it.
Leviathan I do in spurts. I start at some point and split it up over the course of the game. I'm mostly indifferent about when Omega happens. Citadel is also after Horizon for me to maximize who can attend the party.
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Post by melbella on Aug 31, 2018 1:31:37 GMT
Finally picked up the ME3 DLC pack, so this is an issue again for me. We've got a lot of freedom for when to do these. I was wondering how you folks felt about the sequence. I'm one of those RP guys who always has to do something if the PC would do it. I've always found it hard to skip BdtS when the Normandy is flying right through that cluster, for instance.
Omega You can talk to Aria about this pretty early on (after first visit to Citadel, I think) but I try to save the initial meet up for it until after I've recruited all the mercs for her. Then I talk to her about Omega. I save the actual mission until after the coup.
Leviathan This has 3 stages. Initial investigation on the Citadel, which leads to the first mission. I do this pretty early on, then the mission while out gathering war assets. More investigating, which leads to the second mission. This one I do mid-game, after the coup but probably before starting Rannoch. I do the final investigation after returning from Rannoch and the last mission I leave for after Thessia.
Citadel Main mission after completing Rannoch arc. Meet-ups and mini-quests here and there until everything is done except Cronos. Party right before Cronos Station.
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Post by RedCaesar97 on Aug 31, 2018 1:37:42 GMT
Typically...
First playthrough: 1. From Ashes as soon as possible. I want Javik early.
2. On return to Citadel after Menae (second time on Citadel after all floors open up): a. Meet Dr. Bryson in his lab to start Leviathan DLC. b. After getting Aria's second email, meet with Aria at Dock 42. Since I'm in the middle of a Citadel tour to get my journal cluttered updated with quests, I might as well get more journal entries added and get a little extra XP in the process.
3. After The Shroud but before the Citadel Coup, play the Omega DLC. I'm sufficiently leveled by this point and no mainline squaddies can go with you so might as well do it now.
4. After the coup -- at any time -- play Leviathan DLC and Citadel DLC missions. If Tali is alive and I want to use her at all, I'll wait until after the Geth/Quarian arc since that arc is seen as 'urgent' (even though it really isn't). If Tali is dead or I don't care about her, I'll play them after the Geth/Quarian arc but typically before Thessia. (At the latest, I'll play them just before Chronos Station.)
5. Citadel DLC party last thing before hitting Chronos Station.
NG+ playthroughs, when trying to maximize credits for purchasing weapon upgrades: 1. No DLC missions until after playthrough of Vancouver+Mars > Menae > Sur'Kesh > Utukku (Missing Krogan Scouts) > N7 missions > The Shroud > Citadel Coup > Ardat-Yakshi Monastery. After the monastery, I should now have +10% store discount.
From there, I can play the DLC in any order I choose, although I tend to stick with the same order: 1. From Ashes. 2. Omega 3. Leviathan 4. Citadel DLC.
If I want Tali in my squad, I may do Omega first since regular squadmates don't matter.
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Post by melbella on Aug 31, 2018 2:00:13 GMT
I forgot about From Ashes, I guess because I had Javik from the start so never considered him DLC. I usually pick him up after Menae but occasionally wait until VS is available if I want to bring them to Eden Prime. I picked up Javik before Menae once but he's not able to go on that mission so there's really no point in doing it that early.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 31, 2018 14:16:50 GMT
Even though the dlc is completed with Shepard knowing the Leviathan created an intelligence, he/she will still ask Vendetta, 'So who is the master?" Another is the player doesn't encounter Banshees until Thessia, if playing only the main story. It's on Thessia that Liara will say that they look like her people. I don't recall if she says that in the dlc. I believe it's James that makes a comment about them as well as Ashley.
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Post by melbella on Sept 1, 2018 0:40:50 GMT
Even though the dlc is completed with Shepard knowing the Leviathan created an intelligence, he/she will still ask Vendetta, 'So who is the master?" Another is the player doesn't encounter Banshees until Thessia, if playing only the main story. It's on Thessia that Liara will say that they look like her people. I don't recall if she says that in the dlc. I believe it's James that makes a comment about them as well as Ashley.
This is another reason I put off the first Leviathan mission until after the coup and the monastery, and its final mission for after Thessia. The monastery is where we first encounter banshees but, as themikefest says, you won't see them in any of the main missions until Thessia. However, if I was only doing main missions, I wouldn't be doing Leviathan.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Oct 9, 2018 15:30:40 GMT
From Ashes and Omega I ten dto do early. Ashes I tend to do after I've picked up Garrus and Omega usually after I'v done the school run and mission on Surkesh to pick up guns like the Mattock and Scorpion. As I find the guns on those quests along with the Prothean rifle you get with Javik very useful on Omega. So generally after I've done those 2 I do Omega. I tend to do it early because as it doesn't really matter dialogue wise when you do it as you don't have your team with you.
Leviathan's missions I tend to split with the Quarian/Geth segment of the game as it works best there I find as you have your full squad with you by then and can even take Ashley/Kaidan with you then as well.
Citadel is pretty straightforward to me in that it slots in nicely just before the finale
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 17:28:33 GMT
I occasionally do From Ashes early, depending on what I want more - Javik early in the game or the Virmire Survivor to react to returning to Eden Prime. I sometimes wait to do From Ashes until quite late in the game since Javik's dialogue regarding Shepard's confidence changes. I also find it somewhat more cohesive sometimes if Liara is reacting on Thessia to Javik before she's really had any opportunities to get to know him. I usually do Omega fairly early for the same reasons sjsharp2010 listed. It also provides some good XP for leveling up. A disadvantage of playing it early is not having enough credits to buy some of the upgrades Harrot sells. I usually start Leviathan after doing the monastery mission, which is the mission on which I normally first encounter banshees. I sometimes do the first mission (in the lab) before doing the monastery (it doesn't involve banshees and starts the DLC so I can work several missions into a swing without returning to the Citadel. I normally do the entire Citadel DLC just prior to going to Chronos or I sometimes do it just prior to going to Horizon (depending on Miranda's status in that particular playthrough). I do usually do all of the Citadel DLC in a single stretch... someday I will have to try interspersing it with other missions.
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Post by burningcherry on Oct 9, 2018 17:29:33 GMT
From Ashes -- the first thing I do when it's possible, Javik's comments are too precious to miss any of them Omega -- I don't xD, I don't digest this DLC Leviathan -- before Priority: Perseus Veil, so I have a clear galaxy map when heading there Citadel -- not after Priority: Thessia, Shepard breaking down mentally over the war and then partying looks inconsistent
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Post by sageoflife on Oct 11, 2018 3:52:44 GMT
Leviathan needs to be done at some point after Thessia unless you want Shepard and Liara to look like goldfish.
Omega makes sense to me as retaliation for the coup.
I also like Citadel as that last shore leave before the final battle.
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Post by dmc1001 on Oct 13, 2018 16:03:17 GMT
Leviathan needs to be done at some point after Thessia unless you want Shepard and Liara to look like goldfish. Omega makes sense to me as retaliation for the coup. I also like Citadel as that last shore leave before the final battle. Goldfish? Maybe from a practical standpoint but in-game.
I always do Leviathan in bits and pieces rather than as a whole. It's the only DLC that allows for it.
Omega, yes, after coup but nothing particularly relevant to the game as to when you place it.
Citadel works best after Thessia but not from a practical standpoint. It makes the most sense for those of us who want to say that final goodbye to our heroes in a lighthearted way and maximize the number of current and former squadmates present (unless you killed them off).
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Post by sageoflife on Oct 14, 2018 4:41:44 GMT
Leviathan needs to be done at some point after Thessia unless you want Shepard and Liara to look like goldfish. Omega makes sense to me as retaliation for the coup. I also like Citadel as that last shore leave before the final battle. Goldfish? Maybe from a practical standpoint but in-game.
I always do Leviathan in bits and pieces rather than as a whole. It's the only DLC that allows for it.
Omega, yes, after coup but nothing particularly relevant to the game as to when you place it.
Citadel works best after Thessia but not from a practical standpoint. It makes the most sense for those of us who want to say that final goodbye to our heroes in a lighthearted way and maximize the number of current and former squadmates present (unless you killed them off).
If you do the last part of Leviathan before Priority: Thessia, Shepard and Liara will ask Vendetta questions that Leviathan already answered. It really makes them look dumb.
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Oct 14, 2018 10:44:11 GMT
I vary them but I have a routine for Citadel DLC. I'm the kind of gamer that likes to have a little bit of this then a little bit of that. I get fidgety if I'm stuck in the Citadel chatting for too long, or roaming around too many planets in the mako.
I start Citadel right after my romance locks in. This gives me any romance dialogue of course, whilst letting me get access to the pistol that I'm rather fond of early on in the game. The romance lock in is different for every character, Ash was half way thru Rannoch so it was stupid to leave and go on shore leave at that point. I still did it because I was sick of the Quarians, but if you're for full immersion then perhaps you'd want to wait for an appropriate time after the lock.
So I do it early to get the pistol, but also because I like to visit the apartment every now and then during the rest of the game, between main missions, extra crap and Leviathan. It's fun having down time with squadmates between missions. If Miri will live I'll hold off on the party till after Horizon, if not then I'm more flexible.
Omega is purely triggered when I feel like doing it, after I get the pistol. I have no routine for that. Leviathan is a slow drip that I slot in between other things.
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Post by jukaga on Nov 9, 2018 18:18:07 GMT
I like to knock out OMEGA as soon as I've done Aria's standard recruit merc quests. It's liberating to have it out of the way before you even go to Tuchanka. CITADEL I start after the Quarian/Geth arc, but only to the point of defeating brooks and opening up the midway. Then I farm Armax Arena till I get the sweet armor that I use an N7 skin for. I won't do any Citadel meet ups yet. Then comes Thessia, afterwards I start LEVIATHAN. Occasionally stop by the CITADEL for a meet up or two. I clean up the outstanding standalone missions at this time. Complete LEVIATHAN then off to Horizon to get Miranda. At this point I finish the CITADEL meetups, throw the party then Cerberus HQ and Priority: Earth. However, this time I think I may leave LEVIATHAN till after the party. This way, I'll avoid the emotional punch to the gut that is playing the end right after the party. I'll have a few hours of a solid adventure before having to face 'You know, I was born in London'.
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Post by SwobyJ on Nov 9, 2018 21:19:09 GMT
Sometimes it's tricky. In fact, I think there's aspects of every DLC that put any position you decide in question. But.. this is what I prefer:
From Ashes - Basically as soon as possible. Sure you could wait further into the Tuchanka arc but why? Sure you could get a bit of different story after the Tuchanka arc but does that generally work? I suppose I'd do that maybe with a more xenophobe Shep. I guess.
Leviathan - I consider it a late-game arc to fill out the Rannoch-Thessia-Sanctuary stretch. You don't need to do them all at once, but I think there's enough narrative urgency (especially after the first mission) to do them at least close to each other. You could do the missions earlier, but I don't think things like the prevalence of banshees and answers about bigger lore flows well. I prefer to start it after Thessia, but perhaps continue the last 1 or 2 missions after Sanctuary. It's not the biggest deal, but try to lock in your romance if they're on the Normandy crew.
Omega - Some like to do it right after Aria's merc missions, but I don't think that flows well. Others like doing it late game and I don't strongly disagree, but I think that puts off Aria's message too long. My personal preference is as a mid-game challenge right after the Citadel Coup for a sense of revenge. Otherwise, after other missions Ex-Cerberus/Monastery, or after Rannoch arc. I like it before Leviathan, getting a more straightforward plot out of the way before the intrigue.
Citadel - Tricky tricky! You could do it all at once, split into 2-3, or gradual it, though the last option is quite a balance to do. Here's what I prefer: -Main arc is done around mid-to-late game. If you won't have Tali, like she died in ME2, then you could do it before the Rannoch arc. Otherwise, especially if you prefer Tali maximally present, you do it soon after the Rannoch arc. You don't interfere with late-game Thessia/Sanctuary/Leviathan, but can do it soon before it. LOCK IN YOUR ROMANCE BEFOREHAND, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE NORMANDY CREW. -Visits/Arena/Casino/Arcade/Dates get split up through the late game (which may include a put-off Monastery/Ex-Cerberus, or N7 missions, or a put-off Omega, or maybe Rannoch arc if it applies). Remember that options open up after every mission, and that Arena matches count as missions! Remember that missions open up Samara, Jacob, Kasumi, Zaeed, Tali. And especially remember that Miranda only opens up as late as Sanctuary. When you need to, just do Arena missions. -Once done EVERYTHING, including Arena missions, all Assignments, N7 missions, DLC, and Sanctuary, so I mean EVERYTHING, trigger the party. Enjoy that and immediately set out to Cronos and the ending.
The missions that Silversun provides breaks to include not just Thessia and Sanctuary, but 3 Leviathan missions (though I only try 1 shore leave during this), maybe Monastery and Ex-Cerberus, any remaining N7s, and maybe Rannoch arc if applies, so between that and Arena missions, you have plenty of chances to 100% the side Citadel DLC activities before the party.
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Post by SwobyJ on Nov 9, 2018 21:46:51 GMT
Goldfish? Maybe from a practical standpoint but in-game.
I always do Leviathan in bits and pieces rather than as a whole. It's the only DLC that allows for it.
Omega, yes, after coup but nothing particularly relevant to the game as to when you place it.
Citadel works best after Thessia but not from a practical standpoint. It makes the most sense for those of us who want to say that final goodbye to our heroes in a lighthearted way and maximize the number of current and former squadmates present (unless you killed them off).
If you do the last part of Leviathan before Priority: Thessia, Shepard and Liara will ask Vendetta questions that Leviathan already answered. It really makes them look dumb. levi spoilers I could be wrong, but doesn't Leviathan say that there is an Intelligence that made the Reapers as its solution and so harvested the Leviathans, while Thessia speculates a master of the cycle, while those two things could be (theoretically) considered different things until the Catalyst shows and confirms? It's only the ending that the Catalyst seems to confirm that: the Catalyst is/in the Citadel, the Citadel is part of the Catalyst, the Catalyst is the Intelligence (basically), and it controls the Reapers and perpetuates the Cycle for X reasons.
Its weak but I think we can imagine that Shepard doesn't take the Catalyst and Intelligence as the same thing yet, at least that's what I'd imagine with the Leviathan script.
Also the Prothean info in Thessia can just be taken as a confirmation that they're on a same but lesser track of understanding that the Leviathans had. The more relevant info then would be that Shepard is close to learning what the Catalyst is but victory is yet snatched from him.
I think the 'Intelligence' stuff is to lead Shepard to assume it did its original job and is something or somewhere else, so its Thessia that more strongly suggests otherwise (that there's an active master than an observing AI), then the ending that proves otherwise, so we learn that it's been the master of the cycle all along. The "it still serves its purpose" could be taken as not it still existing, but that its legacy of the Reapers continues their jobs. The phrasing Leviathan uses for everything is "the Reapers" not "the Intelligence/Catalyst".
But yes, it all doesn't flow well so one is best to end Leviathan after Thessia.
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Post by ahglock on Nov 21, 2018 0:50:40 GMT
I do citadel a lot earlier than most. Mainly because I’m not paying attention and think I’m just doing a easy quest while on the citadel and then I’m locked in for a big chunk of it. The party I sometimes delay but after the mission that gets you to that point it kind of seems story wise a soon thing not a wait till the end thing.
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Post by dmc1001 on Nov 21, 2018 16:39:40 GMT
I can't do Citadel earlier. I need to maximize the number of current and former squadmates present.
Similarly, I can't do From Ashes until after A/K is acquired, just for the emotional connection those two have to Eden Prime. Had Ash and Kaidan bother survived Virmire - per some early drafts - Liara would never have stepped foot on the planet. She was wrong about so many things regarding the Protheans. Shepard is the true source of information based on a sum total of three beacons (two in ME1 and a third in ME2 depending on whether or not you played certain DLC). Oh, and not to mention the Thorian. No, Shepard is the expert and Liara essentially knew nothing.
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Post by ahglock on Nov 21, 2018 21:59:36 GMT
I can't do Citadel earlier. I need to maximize the number of current and former squadmates present. Similarly, I can't do From Ashes until after A/K is acquired, just for the emotional connection those two have to Eden Prime. Had Ash and Kaidan bother survived Virmire - per some early drafts - Liara would never have stepped foot on the planet. She was wrong about so many things regarding the Protheans. Shepard is the true source of information based on a sum total of three beacons (two in ME1 and a third in ME2 depending on whether or not you played certain DLC). Oh, and not to mention the Thorian. No, Shepard is the expert and Liara essentially knew nothing. I shoot Ashly before she has a chance to join me pretty often. But I get that idea. I’ll try that next time I have a shepherd that won’t instigate that. Citadel it’s just the quests make too much sense to do immediately but I feel like I’m shooting my self in the foot because like 5 people are at the party. They all seem to start with do you want to do this fun thing with a friend. So I’m like, well yeah I need a hour or two off. I guess I could put off the last part or whatever but by then I’m pulled in.
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Post by NotN7 on Nov 21, 2018 22:46:12 GMT
Me? I do Ashes as soon as possible if I did not romance ash/Kadin then I'll wait till I acquire them, Omega I do after the merc quest and that just to get it out of the way since I learned the chess set has nothing to do with Traynor's game night, Leviathan in sections, Citadel I do after Sanctuary so whomever is left alive can attend the party.
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