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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Sept 8, 2018 22:01:55 GMT
The age old question asked so many times across the generations....should I kill the hot witch's Mom just because she asked me to? You're tasked with getting your hands on Flemeth's grimoire. The fight is hard, and the quest itself has 3 resolutions...
- Kill her and steal the book - Pretend you killed her, letting her escape and receiving the book in return for her life - Refusing altogether and fessing up to Morrigan.
What are the repercussions of each action? If you do decide to fight her, when should you do it and who should you take along with you? What's the best strategy?
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Post by TabithaTH on Jan 15, 2019 14:28:47 GMT
I feel it's important to mention that whether you kill her or pretend to kill her won't matter for DA2 and DAI. I assume it's the same for ignoring it entirely. So I say do what feels right for your warden.
My first warden wanted to help Morrigan, but after getting massacred the first time, I decided to just let her go. Admittedly I felt bad when Morrigan then talked about never having had a friend who'd do something like that for her.
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Post by Ieldra on Jan 15, 2019 16:49:51 GMT
If not doing it and confessing to Morrigan, will that impact her romance?
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Post by Blaze on Jan 15, 2019 18:34:22 GMT
well i came with a party equipped to fight a mage, only for her to turn into a dragon. so my advice: first get spare pants, and be ready to fight a dragon. as dragon fight goes, she is an easier fight than the dragon at the mountain. if your char not a healer, bring wynne. as for which option? well i always RP, so it's char based for me. bare in mind that flemeth took precautions and as such you won't really kill her. also she goes easy on the warden. so you don't actually kill anyone by going along with it. If not doing it and confessing to Morrigan, will that impact her romance? you know, i never tried. thing is, if you refuse the quest she leaves, and if you take the grimoire and let flemeth go, than i don't know if you can confess to morrigan or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 10:17:14 GMT
I always end up killing Flemeth...for some reason, I get the impression she wants you to and would look down on you if you didn't try. Morrigan is my favorite female party member and I like how my friendship (as a female warden) and my romance (as a male warden) works out. I always want to keep her in my party, so I wouldn't refuse to do it and I would feel too guilty about lying to her when I gave her the grimoire if I didn't, so yeah, I always do battle with Flemeth's dragon.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 17, 2019 17:30:20 GMT
I suppose it depends if your Warden has scruples about lying to Morrigan. I never refuse her and most of my Wardens do end up taking on Flemeth but my ambitious Cousland had no trouble doing the deal with Flemeth and lying to Morrigan. After all, he only had Morrigan's word for it that Flemeth did want to possess her and it had been clear from the outset that Morrigan didn't have much affection for her mother, so he felt fully justified in lying to someone who would want to murder her own mother. Also, if you kill her, I believe Morrigan does admit that it might not be permanent, so she wouldn't even be surprised if Flemeth did turn up again at a later date. Anyway, he also refused to do the Dark Ritual, so Morrigan ended up running out on him in the end. It made him doubly glad he hadn't done as she had asked about Flemeth.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jan 19, 2019 0:00:11 GMT
I always do it. I have no reason to believe that Morrigan is lying or misinformed. She's working with the best information she has, and so am I.
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 19, 2019 18:15:35 GMT
I usually do, because I’m usually inclined to try and be a genuine friend to Morrigan and help her.
I am also hard pressed to turn down the opportunity to slay a dragon
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Post by Gwydden on Jan 20, 2019 1:53:29 GMT
The main reason I can think of not to do it is that, y'know, Flemeth saved the Warden's life. Hardly ever go for it, though.
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Post by melbella on Jan 20, 2019 17:21:05 GMT
The main reason I can think of not to do it is that, y'know, Flemeth saved the Warden's life. Hardly ever go for it, though.
That's one reason. The other reason for me is, the more I play DA, the less I like Morrigan, so every time through DAO I'm less likely to believe a word she says or do anything she wants.
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Post by Dukemon on Jan 24, 2019 1:30:52 GMT
After some playthroughs most of my decisions in Origins and Awakening based on which part gives more xp. My impression is that fighting to Flemeth gives xp.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jan 31, 2019 10:54:07 GMT
most of the time I've let Flemeth go (because I had no idea how to kill her back then), it's just been my past few playthroughs where I've killed her for me personally it makes more sense during her dialogue with Hawke in DA2 Flemeth: just know that you may have saved my life, just as I once saved yours the dialogue itself(imo), seems to imply that the Warden killed her also I don't want to imagine two Flemeth's one day meeting up and somehow fusing back together
as for Morrigan, I kind of like her as a character and the fact she views the Warden as her sibling (if not romanced) is just a nice touch as wel
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Post by ergates on Feb 7, 2019 14:13:21 GMT
I can't bring myself to lie to Morrigan, it just feels far too underhand and rotten - so I kill her. I don't feel particularly good about killing her either, but I rationalise it by reminding myself that Morrigan had said 'I doubt she will truly be dead'.
Around level 11 seems to be the optimal level to fight her, as long as I have Wynn in the party with the Forcefield ability and both healing spells. I typically use a three ranged/one tank setup. Sten, configured as a pure archer, using the Sorrows of Arlathan bow, the Warden also attacking with a bow, and Alistair tanking with plenty of potions and a Greater Warmth Balm. When she uses her grab attack I forcefield him and heal him up while he's invulnerable, and then have him manually taunt her. The other three stay well back and attack from range while Wynn keeps health topped up.
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Post by Iddy on Feb 7, 2019 15:28:57 GMT
The only repercussion is approval points.
As for decision itself, you will have to weigh in your character's morality and his/her relationship with Morrigan.
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Post by operationathena on Jul 1, 2019 23:11:12 GMT
I ended up letting her go after repeatedly getting destroyed in the fight. Sorry, Morrigan.
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Post by melbella on Jul 2, 2019 1:59:08 GMT
I ended up letting her go after repeatedly getting destroyed in the fight. Sorry, Morrigan.
Sometimes I'm just too lazy to bother so I get the book, which is what Morrigan really wants, and let Flemeth be. I specifically don't pick the option to tell Morrigan I killed her, but rather the one about doing her dirty work for her. Let her believe what she wants. I didn't lie to her.....exactly.
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Post by talyn82 on Jul 5, 2019 19:34:56 GMT
I love Morrigan she is one of my all time favorite female companions and love interests. But I am not her blind servant we do butt heads. Like when deciding whether or not to purge the circle. She says yes I say no. In this instance I agree to kill Flemeth because Morrigan is my boo. But when I confront Flemeth we work out a deal. She gives me the Grimoire and I let her go. Both Morrigan and future mother in law are happy.
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Jul 16, 2019 18:02:13 GMT
I don't particularly like or trust Flemeth *or* Morrigan, but I assumed that Morrigan was telling the truth about Flemeth repeatedly raising daughters just to take over their bodies, and neither of my Wardens was inclined to let something like that continue even if they weren't sold on actually killing Flemeth. Instead of just telling Flemeth "I'm here to kill you," I usually just manipulate the dialogue choices so that it eventually goes south after it's clear that Flemeth has no inclination to change her ways. I can't remember now if the Warden still has to be the one to initiate combat, but with an unvoiced protagonist, it's easy enough to headcanon that Flemeth starts it.
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Post by phoray on Jul 18, 2019 5:01:38 GMT
First Warden (blind Playthrough) I showed up ready to fight Flemeth, but fretting because I expected it to be a hard fight. Flemeth was all like, "Morrigan finally sent you to murder me, did she? That inccorigable youngin' of mine!" and it totally threw me so off, she sounded so reasonable and like Morrigan had blown things way out of proportion and I just...caved. I was swayed. So I faked that I killed her.-----------only to go through like, the most extreme guilt trip I've ever been accidentally given by a digital character when Morrigan said I was her best friend, sister, ever with her voice cracking and everything. (the 2nd heaviest guilt trip ever was my first pt of DAI, I thought really hard, and sacrificed my own Hawke. Just to cave when Varric practically melted into sadness. I reloaded.)
so 2nd PT (hadnt played DA2 yet, so didnt know she would come back), even though it was a different warden I would not let myself be swayed, I would be the friend sister Morrigan thought me to be, and I slayed Flemeth. 3rd PT, I was playing a shrewd mage who didn't get along with Morrigan, and essentially Morrigan threatened to leave if she didn't do it. So my 3rd Warden Begrudgingly showed up to not so much slay Flemeth as get some deets. And it was super amusing, because Flemeth was all like, "here to kill me? and I was like "nah, just here to talk and ask questions." and Flemeth was surprised which was a nice touch. It was a business deal- get the book to keep Morrigan around kinda thing. Cant remember what my 4th Warden did. I think just slayed her with little preamble, very simple Dust town Dwarf that one. Shed been given a job, and the job was to kill, and she would do it.
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Post by fylimar on Jul 21, 2019 17:18:48 GMT
I hate Morrigan, but love Flemeth, so of course I never kill that lovable old hag. And lying to Morrigan - bonus
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jul 21, 2019 21:33:37 GMT
I hate Morrigan, but love Fkemeth, so of course I never kill that lovable old hag. And lying to Morrigan - bonus gotta love Alistair and Zevran's comments when you pick that option
Alistair: yes, tricking Morrigan...oh who am I kidding, that does sound like fun...I'm a bad, bad man Zevran: oh I don't know, random killing can be fun...but this is good too (or something to that effect, can't remember...my recent Warden killed Flemeth, though...might let her go again next time...we'll see)
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Post by Pounce de León on Aug 12, 2019 9:40:16 GMT
I tried to kill Flemeth but had to reload quite quickly and from there picking the other choice seemed like the unproblematic option.
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Post by Noxluxe on Nov 6, 2019 6:46:15 GMT
I always kill her. My characters tend to be on good terms with Morrigan. And while the latter fights at your side for weeks and months throughout the game, no doubt saving your life several times, you're only ever told that Flemeth saved you and never given a clear picture of how or why, making it rather hard to feel grateful.
And this is a fantasy world that discriminates rather heavily against malicious-seeming witches hiding out in the woods manipulating people's lives for Maker knows what reason. Human and mage PCs have without a doubt been prejudiced against mages exactly like her, even if they have the good breeding to be polite to her face.
The same could be said for Morrigan, of course, but she's young and beautiful and spends aforementioned months actively defending you in battle. Caustic attitude or not, most would be more likely to forgive her for what she is than they would Flemeth.
Aside from that, every Origin has something that could be said to parallel Morrigan's apparent situation with her mother.
A Dwarven noble like my current canon, or a Cousland for that matter, might feel a kinship over familial betrayal and exploitation, and feel compelled to help protect her from it. Dwarven and Elven commoners might deeply understand her need to break free from her mother's oppressive power. And any Mage would understand the magic Flemeth apparently uses to be evil and corrupt, and in need of vanquishing, remembering Jowan's flirting with blood magic and the ancient Tevinters' dark rituals the effects of which have been threatening the world ever since.
And that a shemlen witch has been vulgarly imitating the ancient elves' immortality by murdering and exploiting others and needs to be put down would surprise no Dalish hunter ever. Certainly not one who hasn't made the connection between "Flemeth" and "Asha'bellanar", which I don't remember if she ever introduces herself as in Origins.
Also, it's the only time in the game that your dragonbone plate armor from the high dragon actually gets to shine with its fire resistance.
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Post by Sonya on Dec 12, 2019 14:57:37 GMT
During 1st PT killed Flemeth, but after playing DA2 and DAI in particular and knowing who she really is I just take the book + Flemeth saved me and that Alistair even if she had her own reasons for that. The reason: I see no point in killing Flemeth as she is still alive, Hawke in DA2 bring that amulet during DAO events (I suppose as Flemeth still knew what Morrigan wanted to do) + I really like FLemeth: can think she says some nonsense, but she is more prophet-style character. It's not because I don't like Morrigan (she is different from others and I really like her because of that, like dialogues with her, like to watch character-changes, she is still a bitch but it doesn't mean it is bad). So, what's the point of killing Flemeth if she is still alive and moreover Morrigan says nothing at all if you just take the book (IIRC there is a cut content there so it looks stange for me), but still I help her (even if Morrigan never understood Flemeth plans correctly "The soul is not forced unwillingly. You were never in danger from me" e.g.).
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Post by daelonduluc on Dec 20, 2019 21:41:54 GMT
If you can, sure, it makes DA2 more interesting IMO and you get some good stuff, but, since I'm terrible at fighting dragon's in DAO, I usually just let her live.
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