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Post by SofaJockey on Sept 9, 2018 8:53:27 GMT
Since Casey Hudson started hinting about there being more Mass Effect in the future: "...we hear loud and clear the interest in BioWare doing more Dragon Age and Mass Effect, so rest assured that we have some teams hidden away working on some secret stuff that I think you’ll really like – we’re just not ready to talk about any of it for a little while…"many people have been concerned about the wisdom of continuing this franchise at all. But we don't really have a thread where you can just come and share your concerns and/or bitterness about continuing this franchise, so here it is. Just to be clear, not every post needs to be 'full on doom and gloom', but posters are welcome to share their skepticism. We're not looking to get into fights with fan-boys/girls in this thread, mostly ignore them if they swing by, or direct them to their own thread: The Mass Effect 5 Hype Train - bsn.boards.net/thread/15774Occasionally we'll move other skeptical posts or threads in here that didn't really justify being a thread in their own right. That's it, I hope you will gain comfort, discussing your fears with other people who are legitimately concerned about a return to Mass Effect and what such a game would end up like.
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Post by cloud9 on Sept 9, 2018 10:25:13 GMT
Ever since they confirmed they're working on another Mass Effect, I was getting even more worried that they're going to mess it up even more. Me personally, the only way they could save the franchise is to allow CD Projekt Red to create a Mass Effect game, similar to Obsidian made Fallout: New Vegas.
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Post by isaidlunch on Sept 9, 2018 11:03:51 GMT
The MEA squad/crew were atrocious and I'm not sure how Bioware can fix that in a sequel. At the very least, I think that the really shitty characters like Gil and Liam need to go.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 9, 2018 12:05:31 GMT
I believe that if Ryder returns, that means the asari, Kosta and my face is tired will return. If the Little Duck has to return, I like for Bioware to give the asari and Kosta the Emily Wong treatment and just not have the my face is tired show up at all in the game.
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Post by emissaryoflies on Sept 9, 2018 12:08:25 GMT
if they continue with Ryder, I hope he hardens the fuck up. I get what they were going for, but the character comes across as a milquetoast, people pleasing, jackass for the overwhelming majority of the game. And I particularly hated the dialogue wheel in Andromeda. Paragon/Renegade was better in almost every possible way, and mostly because....you had like 3 other options besides those two, some of which actually mattered in the outcome. if professional/casual/emotional/logical is the absolute best that they can come up with, best to forget it and act like it never happened.
They should stop taking unnecessary risks and stick to what has been shown to work in the franchise. I honestly wouldn't be mad if they put out ME2 with a new crew and story. And I'm not sure if it's a failing on my part, but I didn't care for the Andromeda companions. I didn't care about them at all. I'm sure that I was supposed to, but it just didn't hit. There was no Virmire Ashley or Kaiden, or Urdnot Wrex standoff that actually gave clarity and brought home the fact that you care about these people or that you should. No tension that actually translated to anything meaningful. And the few miraculous times that Ryder manages to accidentally ruffle feathers, it becomes water under the bridge with no consequences a cutscene later. They all just get along and understand each others differences far too quickly. But I will say that the actual ship crew was a lot more palatable for some reason (Lexi, Suvi, Kallo, Gil). It could be that Kallo and Gil bickering actually leads to something approaching conflict, and that the others are used a lot better and don't wear out their welcome.
But at least the combat was good (didn't like the three buttons thing, but it felt smooth and powerful overall). I hope they can find a way to combine that with the original trilogy's penchant for proper story telling and giving the player agency.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2018 15:01:29 GMT
Like others have said I don't think some of MEA's issues can be simply fixed in the sequel. One of the reasons it failed for me personally was that the characters, something I thought was a generally consistent highlight of the first three games, were pretty mediocre or even atrocious depending on where you stand. That, and considering the protagonist and the bland story, BioWare is going to have to significantly up their game, especially if they do return to Andromeda. Its so much that quite honestly, I doubt it'll be worth getting excited over.
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Post by amehzing on Sept 9, 2018 15:50:25 GMT
I don’t believe it’s happening at all.
It sounds like talk that will keep the public off their backs for a couple years before anyone realizes.
Anyway I’m not really interested in something that isn’t MEA2 because I hate prequels and they really can’t continue from ME3, and I think it’s fair to say Andromeda 2 won’t happen
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Post by natetrace on Sept 9, 2018 16:07:12 GMT
As someone who liked and defends Andromeda, if there was one thing that worries me over a sequel: 1. They still don't add enough aliens. To me this is the one thing that could totally turn things around. Once the rest of the MW races arrive, and we find more in Andromeda we should have plenty. But they need to pull all the stops out. Unusual aliens, new aliens as companions. Speaking of companions...
2. No companions. This goes for DA4 as well. If Anthem has our allies stay in the hub, would ME and DA do the same? I doubt it, but it's still a concern.
There are more but that's it for now
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 10, 2018 1:24:24 GMT
My only concern is them trying to go backwards and go back to the MW. We need to continue with Andromeda.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 10, 2018 2:39:36 GMT
Going back to the Milky Way is not going backwards, its going forward. A sequel to ME3 will move the franchise forward.
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Post by guanxi on Sept 10, 2018 4:29:40 GMT
I'm skeptical that BioWare are going to one day come out and say without a trace of irony during an EA conference that we've heard your criticisms of Anthem, Mass Effect and Dragon Age loud and clear now here's even more multiplayer focused content for our other franchises.
I'm worried the series is just going to become unbEArable. How much more nickel and dimeing bs can they stuff in, cut off and sell back to you. What's next... The quote unquote single player campaign is a gold deluxe edition Origin exclusive pre-order bonus. I can imagine their next conference: We're so proud of what our team at BioWare Guatamala have accomplished. As a consumer focused company we're proud to announce that all micro transactions sold to minors will be eligable for EA's little suckers discount. Sure they will be cosmetic only *but you'll only find starter gear in the base game. Don't forget to pre order the season pass which only contains on disc content and nothing released after 6 months. Here's a world exclusive first look at our first expansion oh wait we forgot to show you the teaser trailer first.
Starting this fall we are proud to announce EA premium subscribers who pre order the take my money I have no self control edition will have exclusive Beta access to the multiplayer 2 whole weeks before we announce a completely unrelated 6-8 month delay.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 10, 2018 7:37:27 GMT
Even if, for some stupid reason, they don't do an MEA2, I think returning to the MW is a bad idea. It would only work if they scrapped EVERYTHING about the MW. Sure, keep the existing races, but drop everything about the Citadel, the Reapers, the relays, the Collectors...it's all got to go. Otherwise we're stuff with comparisons and not being able to live up to the MET. Because it won't live up to the MET.
I honestly believe that had this same story taken place in some ass backward part of the MW that had no relays, we'd still get the same complaints. Then the complainers would have to come up with something other than "we need to be in the MW".
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Post by river82 on Sept 10, 2018 8:17:30 GMT
The Andromeda galaxy lacks civilisation, it lacks history, and that makes it fairly dull. Compare that with the Milky Way which was teeming with history and atmosphere. And life.
I doubt they can head back to the Milky Way, but I don't see how they can keep going with Andromeda. There's a lack of depth to the world that I find disheartening.
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Post by Gileadan on Sept 10, 2018 8:23:54 GMT
I wouldn't say that my feelings towards a potential ME5 qualify as skepticism, but they certainly aren't hype either, and since I can't be arsed to make my very own "Mass Effect Apathy" thread, here goes.
After enjoying most of the trilogy greatly I've been thinking for quite a while about what kind of Mass Effect game I would like to play next, and the answer I eventually came up with was "I have no frigging idea". They've written themselves completely into a corner in the Milky Way - I suppose that takes skill too - and the thought of prequels, sidequels and reboots generally leaves me cool and disinterested.
On the other hand, I wasn't very impressed with Andromeda and the Heleus cluster, I definitely don't like the Angara, and I don't feel very attached to Goofball Ryder and the Bland Brigade.
It is of course not impossible that BioWare comes up with something really cool for their next Mass Effect game, if there is ever going to be one, but for now my interest in the franchise as a whole is only lukewarm. Wouldn't mind a new game, wouldn't mind if this was it.
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 10, 2018 11:34:33 GMT
Going back to the Milky Way is not going backwards, its going forward. A sequel to ME3 will move the franchise forward. No it won't. Its re treading old territory.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 10, 2018 11:41:54 GMT
Going back to the Milky Way is not going backwards, its going forward. A sequel to ME3 will move the franchise forward. No it won't. Its re treading old territory. That old territory has a lot to offer for more ME games
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2018 11:42:52 GMT
Going back to the Milky Way is not going backwards, its going forward. A sequel to ME3 will move the franchise forward. I think people say this because they want Bioware to still fix the ending.
It's a coping mechanism for their grief, because they still can't accept that it is what it is.
If Bioware would create a sequel, they might be able to undue some of the damage. If left unchanged, the wound they perceive is still bleeding.
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 10, 2018 11:48:06 GMT
No it won't. Its re treading old territory. That old territory has a lot to offer for more ME games They can't go back without cannonizing an ending and imo that's a mistake.
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Post by Phantom on Sept 10, 2018 14:46:28 GMT
That old territory has a lot to offer for more ME games They can't go back without cannonizing an ending and imo that's a mistake. that is why a New Ending from a new Player Character POV that leads into the New Game
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 10, 2018 17:07:02 GMT
They can't go back without cannonizing an ending and imo that's a mistake. that is why a New Ending from a new Player Character POV that leads into the New Game And that would be the final nail for me anyway. Never change your artistic vision to please anyone. Do that and all respect I have is gone.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Sept 10, 2018 17:31:37 GMT
I wouldn't say that my feelings towards a potential ME5 qualify as skepticism, but they certainly aren't hype either, and since I can't be arsed to make my very own "Mass Effect Apathy" thread, here goes. After enjoying most of the trilogy greatly I've been thinking for quite a while about what kind of Mass Effect game I would like to play next, and the answer I eventually came up with was "I have no frigging idea". They've written themselves completely into a corner in the Milky Way - I suppose that takes skill too - and the thought of prequels, sidequels and reboots generally leaves me cool and disinterested. On the other hand, I wasn't very impressed with Andromeda and the Heleus cluster, I definitely don't like the Angara, and I don't feel very attached to Goofball Ryder and the Bland Brigade.
It is of course not impossible that BioWare comes up with something really cool for their next Mass Effect game, if there is ever going to be one, but for now my interest in the franchise as a whole is only lukewarm. Wouldn't mind a new game, wouldn't mind if this was it. This is ingenious. I am going to use that from now on lmao. But honestly, I agree with this sentiment really. In reality, I want the MW back, but I know it won't happen. What I know for sure, is I never want Andromeda or anything related to it, ever again. It was as bland and forgettable as it gets. As this point in time, I honestly see no future for ME. Maybe that will change someday, but right now? I just don't think there is anything they can do, that they are willing to do, that can really change my mind about the future.
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Post by samhain444 on Sept 10, 2018 17:39:24 GMT
Going back to the Milky Way is not going backwards, its going forward. A sequel to ME3 will move the franchise forward. No it won't. Its re treading old territory. Yeah, the Original Trilogy is done and BioWare didn't leave an obvious path to continue for a reason...they were done as well. "Andromeda" is the way forward for the series.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2018 18:57:51 GMT
that is why a New Ending from a new Player Character POV that leads into the New Game The press is going to love this.
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Post by PostGameParty on Sept 10, 2018 20:48:16 GMT
I don't care where or when it takes place, just stop with the open worlds and write better characters...
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