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When talking with Tali on the Citadel, in ME3, she will say its been exactly 3 years since she was attacked by assassins just before meeting Shepard. So with 24.5 months with Shepard being dead, 6 months under house arrest, there's about 5.5 months to complete ME1, ME2 and about half of ME3. Good catch... so with Shepard being able to accomplish all of that within that short of time frame, traversing the galaxy many, many times and taking the hours and days out of that to walk, drive and fight through all those missions... and given the fact that no one in the galaxy knows anything really about the Reapers (even how many there are for example) nor do they know anything about the nature of dark space nor do they know anything about the nature of 99% of the galaxy itself... Is it a logical assumption on their part that shutting down the Alpha Relay bought them any real time at all... let alone all the assertions Kenson makes in her conversation with Shepard? If the Reaper's are "legion" and "more advanced" than the species of the Milky Way, I would assume that they'd be pursuing multiple ways to exit dark space and begin the harvest at multiple points in the galaxy simultaneously. Furthermore, they built the relays... all of them, including the 99% of the them we know nothing about. The Reapers purport to harvest all advanced life in the galaxy, but we know of only 1% of those possibilities. By virtue of the gap alone, the Reapers have to be harvesting or attempting to harvest life in places we don't even know about inside the ME Trilogy. |
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Post by themikefest on Oct 24, 2018 16:26:38 GMT
When talking with Tali on the Citadel, in ME3, she will say its been exactly 3 years since she was attacked by assassins just before meeting Shepard. So with 24.5 months with Shepard being dead, 6 months under house arrest, there's about 5.5 months to complete ME1, ME2 and about half of ME3. Good catch... so with Shepard being able to accomplish all of that within that short of time frame, traversing the galaxy many, many times and taking the hours and days out of that to walk, drive and fight through all those missions... and given the fact that no one in the galaxy knows anything really about the Reapers (even how many there are for example) nor do they know anything about the nature of dark space nor do they know anything about the nature of 99% of the galaxy itself... Is it a logical assumption on their part that shutting down the Alpha Relay bought them any real time at all... let alone all the assertions Kenson makes in her conversation with Shepard? If the Reaper's are "legion" and "more advanced" than the species of the Milky Way, I would assume that they'd be pursuing multiple ways to exit dark space and begin the harvest at multiple points in the galaxy simultaneously. Furthermore, they built the relays... all of them, including the 99% of the them we know nothing about. The Reapers purport to harvest all advanced life in the galaxy, but we know of only 1% of those possibilities. By virtue of the gap alone, the Reapers have to be harvesting or attempting to harvest life in places we don't even know about inside the ME Trilogy. I should correct myself. It's not 5.5 months for ME1, ME2 and half of ME3 to play out but 4.5 months because at the beginning of ME2, the destruction of the SR1 takes place about a month after Saren was defeated.
Here's what I said in the things that don't make sense thread about the timeline of ME.
Another thing is you mentioned that Arrival can be completed anytime after Horizon. Look at Leviathan. The dlc can be completed as early as possible yet Shepard will still ask Vendetta 'who is the master?'. Shouldn't the dlc be completed after Thessia?
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Good catch... so with Shepard being able to accomplish all of that within that short of time frame, traversing the galaxy many, many times and taking the hours and days out of that to walk, drive and fight through all those missions... and given the fact that no one in the galaxy knows anything really about the Reapers (even how many there are for example) nor do they know anything about the nature of dark space nor do they know anything about the nature of 99% of the galaxy itself... Is it a logical assumption on their part that shutting down the Alpha Relay bought them any real time at all... let alone all the assertions Kenson makes in her conversation with Shepard? If the Reaper's are "legion" and "more advanced" than the species of the Milky Way, I would assume that they'd be pursuing multiple ways to exit dark space and begin the harvest at multiple points in the galaxy simultaneously. Furthermore, they built the relays... all of them, including the 99% of the them we know nothing about. The Reapers purport to harvest all advanced life in the galaxy, but we know of only 1% of those possibilities. By virtue of the gap alone, the Reapers have to be harvesting or attempting to harvest life in places we don't even know about inside the ME Trilogy. I should correct myself. Its not 5.5 months for ME1, ME2 and half of ME3 to play out but 4.5 months because at the beginning of ME2, the destruction of the SR1 takes place about a month after Saren was defeated.
Here's what I said in the things that don't make sense thread about the timeline of ME.
Another thing is you mentioned that arrival can be completed anytime after Horizon. Look at Leviathan. The dlc can be competed as early as possible yet Shepard will still ask Vendetta 'who is the master?'. Shouldn't the dlc be completed after Thessia?
Agreed... which takes me back to my original statement. The premise is flawed... and not just at the Andromeda end of the series; but from the beginning. |
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Post by SwobyJ on Oct 25, 2018 2:51:46 GMT
A few points here: - The Armistice Day issue in ME1 is one of the few absolute logical fallacies in ME1. It simply is a writing mistake because we know ME1 takes place entirely in 2183 (we know that it starts in that year, we know that ME2 takes place in 2185 and Avina tells us exactly hw long we were not on the Citadel (over 2 years), so ME1 had to end before the end of 2183 as well. - While the reapers plan with the Citadel Relay was probably idiotic (because betting everything on one single reaper, i.e. Sovereign was), I don't really see the general problem with the premise as UpUpAgain describes it. For the premise, it is not necessary for Shepard and collegues to know any of the stuff the he brings up. The reapers using whatever plan they are using is on them. And keep in mind, even the plan as we "knew" it in ME1 was just Vigil's speculation on what the protheans on Illos thought the reapers were doing. It was all inferred, nothing was nailed down at that point. There were plenty of possibilities to make a great storyline out of it at the end of ME1. - The ODSY drive is a huge problem because it defeats the entire setup of the ME Milky Way. In most of ME1/2/3, going outside of the clusters surrounding the relays is a huge problem due to the lack of discharge sites. That's why the reapers are such a big threat in the first place. They control the relay network, they have access to it if their invasion goes according to plan and you can't just hide anywhere in the Milky Way. With the ODSY drive being a thing, that limitation falls away completely and the organics could just hide anywhere. - The second question is: Do the reapers have/know about ODSY drives as well? If no, we'd have had a massive advantage in the war and one would have to ask the question "why the hell doesn't the billion year old race have the tech that a bunch of cyclists came up with within a few centuries or less?" If so, the entire reason d'etre of the reapers falls apart because travel between galaxies is now possible. Inconvenient, sure but possible. So if the premise of the catalyst is that without the reaper cycles, synthetic dominance is inevitable, he must have considered that even if the reapers keep the cycles up in our galaxy, in another, synthetics would take over, evolve and eventually come to us. As soon as the Milky Way is no longer an isolated system, the reaper's reasoning becomes even more stupid than it was in the first place. That's one reason (by far not the only one) why Andromeda was such a messy retcon and therefore one more good example of why BioWare really would have done well to have at least one dedicated lore person on the team. Mac Walters certainly didn't give a shit. The thing about organics able to go anywhere is a good thing. Sovereign was supposed to intervene a good while ago and ODSY is just a sign that organics are already slipping the technological grip. I don't see a conflict there but instead something that fits the story. Not that I loveeeeee the scifi concept of space arks. Part of the harvest is to intervene in organics' otherwise Reaper-tech-assisted technological evolution, before they reach the point of tech that starts actually rivaling Reapers or their plans. Presumably this cycle was figuring some stuff out that it shouldn't have, and the Protheans were likely special in their level of resilience compared to harvest increasing proficiency. But 'normally', I'd suppose that no such ODSY type stuff would be close to development. Civilizations reach a *planned* apex, a nice status to be the best they can otherwise be, but not enough to stand a small chance of stopping the Reapers. All this stuff also goes with the likely political views of Bioware people that multicultural societies have the bigger toolbox to work with, and more possible (not inevitable, but possible) constructive outcomes; that a Citadel Council based galactic society was one that allowed enough push, with Humanity added to it, to explore the stars with the engineering of ODSY. Protheans more concerned with subjugating, etc. The Reapers would have better than ODSY. Pretty sure they go faster to the MW than the Arks leave it. ODSY is only prototype and part of the risk of leaving in the Ai. Only the dreamers went for it. Presumably give it some years/decades and it'd be norm. I imagine any good post-ME3 MW now would have canonized ODSY-like features in ships, thus escaping as much of a need for mass relays (still good for zipping). And yes, the point is that while the Reapers believe they are eternal, the Catalyst does not and instead has its imperative to eventually solve the organic/synthetic problem, with the agency to do something, anything to tackle it an even slightly different way. That's why it can be somewhat 'friendly' to Shepard, because Shepard offers another way. There is a clock ticking about this problem, even if on the scale that dwarfs almost any organic perspective. This is an experiment, evolution its tool, and experiments don't go on forever. I consider it possible that its been at least bounced around the writers, the idea that the Reaper 'sleep' in Dark Space is actually monitoring for invaders and with accessible countermeasures. Another thing that might convince the Reapers that they're the salvation of organics, the Harvest being only an at-worst-unfortunate effect of the purpose given to them by the Leviathans. But at this point I'm just guessing. |
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Post by SwobyJ on Oct 25, 2018 3:06:46 GMT
A few points here: - The Armistice Day issue in ME1 is one of the few absolute logical fallacies in ME1. It simply is a writing mistake because we know ME1 takes place entirely in 2183 (we know that it starts in that year, we know that ME2 takes place in 2185 and Avina tells us exactly hw long we were not on the Citadel (over 2 years), so ME1 had to end before the end of 2183 as well. - While the reapers plan with the Citadel Relay was probably idiotic (because betting everything on one single reaper, i.e. Sovereign was), I don't really see the general problem with the premise as UpUpAgain describes it. For the premise, it is not necessary for Shepard and collegues to know any of the stuff the he brings up. The reapers using whatever plan they are using is on them. And keep in mind, even the plan as we "knew" it in ME1 was just Vigil's speculation on what the protheans on Illos thought the reapers were doing. It was all inferred, nothing was nailed down at that point. There were plenty of possibilities to make a great storyline out of it at the end of ME1. - The ODSY drive is a huge problem because it defeats the entire setup of the ME Milky Way. In most of ME1/2/3, going outside of the clusters surrounding the relays is a huge problem due to the lack of discharge sites. That's why the reapers are such a big threat in the first place. They control the relay network, they have access to it if their invasion goes according to plan and you can't just hide anywhere in the Milky Way. With the ODSY drive being a thing, that limitation falls away completely and the organics could just hide anywhere. - The second question is: Do the reapers have/know about ODSY drives as well? If no, we'd have had a massive advantage in the war and one would have to ask the question "why the hell doesn't the billion year old race have the tech that a bunch of cyclists came up with within a few centuries or less?" If so, the entire reason d'etre of the reapers falls apart because travel between galaxies is now possible. Inconvenient, sure but possible. So if the premise of the catalyst is that without the reaper cycles, synthetic dominance is inevitable, he must have considered that even if the reapers keep the cycles up in our galaxy, in another, synthetics would take over, evolve and eventually come to us. As soon as the Milky Way is no longer an isolated system, the reaper's reasoning becomes even more stupid than it was in the first place. That's one reason (by far not the only one) why Andromeda was such a messy retcon and therefore one more good example of why BioWare really would have done well to have at least one dedicated lore person on the team. Mac Walters certainly didn't give a shit. Even if one removes the Armistice Day reference, there is still a problem with the speed at which time elapses in the ME Universe. The difference between the entirety of ME1 taking place over the entire year of 2183 or taking place over a few days or even a month within 2183 is huge. Again, no one in the ME Universe knows anything about dark space nor do they know anything about how fast Reapers can travel while in dark space nor do they know what the actual real requirements are for the Reapers to actually leave dark space and enter the known Milky Way space. What we are given in ME1 is that the Protheans had only theories. Then, all of a sudden in ME2, Kenson somehow magically knows all of that. If she knows it because she's been indoctrinated, this begs the question of why she would truthfully tell Shepard about it. There is no indication in game that the Reapers impart a bunch of knowledge about the nature of dark space into their indoctrinated victims. Saren did not appear to have that sort of insight. Benezia didn't. Even TIM didn't. The lore clearly indicates, in fact, that indoctrinated subjects become less and less capable... not more and more aware of obscure principles within the galaxy.
The signal does tell her that they Reapers will be at that Relay in two days from whatever day within the entire back 3/4 of the ME2 game Shepard decides to start the DLC; but she has no idea about anything within the space they are coming from. She has no idea how many there are or whether they are simultaneously approaching other relays in the 99% unexplored portions of the MW galaxy.
There is still an underlying problem throughout the series with determining how much time elapses between when the player does the Arrival DLC and the end of ME2 and the player option of doing the Arrival DLC several quests before they do the SM or several quests after they do the SM. I disagree that Armistice Day is the only time-related problem here.
I wasn't even talking about the ODSY or anything to do with Andromeda... so, I'll just let you ramble on about that one. The duration for the journey is stated - 634 years, but the issue of time essentially ceases to elapse once we start the game itself persists. We chase shuttle all over the cluster in the Tempest with no consideration for the relative speed capabilities of either. We can postpone doing something "urgent" for many, many quests. Are those quests taking hours, days, or even months to complete? We don't really know.
Just a side comment: my impression of Indoctrination is that it - at least in any cybernetic form, but perhaps sonic to an extent - could potentially impart knowledge even to level of 'I know kung fu', but the Reapers in their infinite suckage only impart what they think is necessary to terrify (aka quick submission to quick process) a populace into being corpses. If they only transmit the feeling of terror and dread about the Reapers, that works, and keeps Reaper information a secret. If they find a special agent that needs to know more, they still only transmit the need-to-know knowledge, which is still extremely limited. Organics are that such (as of ME3, somewhat ME2) the Reapers must 'serve', but they're also viewed as less than insects and not worthy of nearly anything until Ascension. This is all to say that I think they tech can be used for more, and stuff in the trilogy as the series goes on, suggests it. Like ME3 Cerberus troops somehow getting so 'trained' so quickly... this wasn't just a boot camp. You do, or at least can be, 'improved', but we have Reapers on one side being terribly dangerous in their tech use, and Cerberus on another being hasty and unethical. Sure if its just a emitting tech pieces, it can only make a 'feeling' happen, which is a reference to the concept of soundwaves significantly mentally affecting people. So what happened to Kenson? I think Object Rho is simply more refined. A total indoctrination machine. You stand near it, for not a long time, and you're influenced not just to feel general things, but create for yourself sorts of ideas. These ideas are calibrated. I wouldn't be surprised if Reaper artifacts included constant brain scans of people around them, calibrating amazingly for the desired response. Its not "Here's the 1010100011101 of what we want you to know while we hollow out your capacity for organic thought" (Reaper cybernetics), but "Here's the feeling of this, the feeling of that, oh and while you dream we're going to fine tune it all, oh we can see what you dream and shift it this or that way, making you reflect what we desire". So Kenson 'learns' everyone is going to die. She 'learns' the Reapers must arrive. Earlier she 'learns' that the pulse of Rho determines Reaper arrival point. Did we even know this for sure, or did the Shepard-Loses game over scene there just reflect Shepard himself being lost to the terrible dreams of this indoctrination? Whatever the case, my point is that people do get 'knowledge' from the Reapers, but its only information they want you to know, and what they want you to know is probably crap info that isn't worth it, like you're dealing with the darkest demons. Hey, maybe Kenson's Arrival knowledge is legit, but only for the purposes of plausibility for the Reapers' sake, they're letting her figure out the details of the sentiments they're already imbedding in her mind. More like magical lorecrafting than pure scientific experimentation. Less capable? Yes, Kenson was. She lost moral judgement, she was losing organizational judgement, and while most everyone was on a lower level of indoc, they clearly seemed a middle ground between functional and whatever listlessness we saw later in Leviathan thralls. That's not acting at peak capacity. That's 'being kept functional enough to potentially draw in Shepard and finally obtain his body'. |
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Post by SwobyJ on Oct 25, 2018 3:12:33 GMT
When talking with Tali on the Citadel, in ME3, she will say its been exactly 3 years since she was attacked by assassins just before meeting Shepard. So with 24.5 months with Shepard being dead, 6 months under house arrest, there's about 5.5 months to complete ME1, ME2 and about half of ME3. Good catch... so with Shepard being able to accomplish all of that within that short of time frame, traversing the galaxy many, many times and taking the hours and days out of that to walk, drive and fight through all those missions... and given the fact that no one in the galaxy knows anything really about the Reapers (even how many there are for example) nor do they know anything about the nature of dark space nor do they know anything about the nature of 99% of the galaxy itself... Is it a logical assumption on their part that shutting down the Alpha Relay bought them any real time at all... let alone all the assertions Kenson makes in her conversation with Shepard? If the Reaper's are "legion" and "more advanced" than the species of the Milky Way, I would assume that they'd be pursuing multiple ways to exit dark space and begin the harvest at multiple points in the galaxy simultaneously. Furthermore, they built the relays... all of them, including the 99% of the them we know nothing about. The Reapers purport to harvest all advanced life in the galaxy, but we know of only 1% of those possibilities. By virtue of the gap alone, the Reapers have to be harvesting or attempting to harvest life in places we don't even know about inside the ME Trilogy. I think if the Reapers are harvesting elsewhere, then within what we know so far, it can only be to serve the 'cycle' in the Milky Way galaxy specifically. Perhaps to replenish numbers. Perhaps to defend the galaxy's setting. Perhaps to establish base. But I don't regard them to be expansionary and I don't think it so far makes sense that they're running experiments everywhere. The Leviathan details, like them or not, seems to depict a necessary process specifically for the Milky Way. Doing harvests elsewhere doesn't really fit the 'organic life in the milky way' requirement, not that the Reapers don't necessarily do *something* outside the galaxy. To me, even an Andromedan story could have something with/about Reapers whether players/fans/specific fans like it or not, but I would be shocked if there were Reapers all over doing harvests everywhere. That wouldn't fit in at all. |
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Post by burningcherry on Oct 25, 2018 12:04:39 GMT
There is a clear indication (Grayson's feelings while roaming through streets of Omega) that indoctrinated subjects feel a part of their controllers' thoughts. Don't know what it says about Kenson but for sure varied forms of indoctrination exist, some making subjects less (typical Reaper huskifization), some more (Saren, Grayson, Cerberus husks) capable.
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Good catch... so with Shepard being able to accomplish all of that within that short of time frame, traversing the galaxy many, many times and taking the hours and days out of that to walk, drive and fight through all those missions... and given the fact that no one in the galaxy knows anything really about the Reapers (even how many there are for example) nor do they know anything about the nature of dark space nor do they know anything about the nature of 99% of the galaxy itself... Is it a logical assumption on their part that shutting down the Alpha Relay bought them any real time at all... let alone all the assertions Kenson makes in her conversation with Shepard? If the Reaper's are "legion" and "more advanced" than the species of the Milky Way, I would assume that they'd be pursuing multiple ways to exit dark space and begin the harvest at multiple points in the galaxy simultaneously. Furthermore, they built the relays... all of them, including the 99% of the them we know nothing about. The Reapers purport to harvest all advanced life in the galaxy, but we know of only 1% of those possibilities. By virtue of the gap alone, the Reapers have to be harvesting or attempting to harvest life in places we don't even know about inside the ME Trilogy. I think if the Reapers are harvesting elsewhere, then within what we know so far, it can only be to serve the 'cycle' in the Milky Way galaxy specifically. Perhaps to replenish numbers. Perhaps to defend the galaxy's setting. Perhaps to establish base. But I don't regard them to be expansionary and I don't think it so far makes sense that they're running experiments everywhere. The Leviathan details, like them or not, seems to depict a necessary process specifically for the Milky Way. Doing harvests elsewhere doesn't really fit the 'organic life in the milky way' requirement, not that the Reapers don't necessarily do *something* outside the galaxy. To me, even an Andromedan story could have something with/about Reapers whether players/fans/specific fans like it or not, but I would be shocked if there were Reapers all over doing harvests everywhere. That wouldn't fit in at all. Everything I said about the Reapers expanding the relay network over billions of years had to do with harvesting species WITHIN THE MILKY WAY GALAXY... specifically the alleged 99% of the galaxy that people have been using as the excuse for keeping the franchise in the Milky Way despite the effects of ME3. The main point is that we know nothing about the vast majority of the relay network, nothing about what lies within dark space, and no way to know whether or not destroying an entire relay could have possibly delayed the invasion for any significant amount of time. The idea that an army described as "legion" that could be so choke-holded by their own network that they've had billions upon billions of years to develop is, quite simply, ludricrous. This isn't Thermoplylae.... there is no terrain in space to "funnel" said legion-size army.
We are told outright that their mandate for harvesting spans the entire galaxy... not just the less than 1% of the galaxy familiar to the relatively few Milky Way species who form a Council government on the Citadel.
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Post by SwobyJ on Oct 25, 2018 20:24:12 GMT
I think if the Reapers are harvesting elsewhere, then within what we know so far, it can only be to serve the 'cycle' in the Milky Way galaxy specifically. Perhaps to replenish numbers. Perhaps to defend the galaxy's setting. Perhaps to establish base. But I don't regard them to be expansionary and I don't think it so far makes sense that they're running experiments everywhere. The Leviathan details, like them or not, seems to depict a necessary process specifically for the Milky Way. Doing harvests elsewhere doesn't really fit the 'organic life in the milky way' requirement, not that the Reapers don't necessarily do *something* outside the galaxy. To me, even an Andromedan story could have something with/about Reapers whether players/fans/specific fans like it or not, but I would be shocked if there were Reapers all over doing harvests everywhere. That wouldn't fit in at all. Everything I said about the Reapers expanding the relay network over billions of years had to do with harvesting species WITHIN THE MILKY WAY GALAXY... specifically the alleged 99% of the galaxy that people have been using as the excuse for keeping the franchise in the Milky Way despite the effects of ME3. The main point is that we know nothing about the vast majority of the relay network, nothing about what lies within dark space, and no way to know whether or not destroying an entire relay could have possibly delayed the invasion for any significant amount of time. The idea that an army described as "legion" that could be so choke-holded by their own network that they've had billions upon billions of years to develop is, quite simply, ludricrous. This isn't Thermoplylae.... there is no terrain in space to "funnel" said legion-size army.
We are told outright that their mandate for harvesting spans the entire galaxy... not just the less than 1% of the galaxy familiar to the relatively few Milky Way species who form a Council government on the Citadel.
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