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Post by TheEmptyRoad on Oct 19, 2018 21:49:01 GMT
Is there any in-game difference? I've never (and will never) 'ally' with the Templars. None of my Inquisitors who have gone to Theirinfal Redoubt have ever had any intention of negotiating with the 'Lord Seeker'. I never bother with his little 'arrange the flags' game.
From my perspective, and that of my quizzy's who go to the Templars(who also ask Cassandra about the first Inquisition), the Order is to be brought back into the (reborn yes, but as the true inheritors of the original) Inquisition - the very Organization from whence they came.
It still irks me that there is still the bug where, if you conscript the Templars, you don't get anymore interactions with Ser Barris. I'm just glad I can set up what I wanted in the Keep for the next game (which will hopefully exist).
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Post by thats1evildude on Oct 20, 2018 15:37:59 GMT
Well, besides the Barris thing, it influences what War Table operations you get after CotJ. If you allied with the Templars, you get The Order’s Obligations. dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/The_Order%27s_ObligationsIf you disband the Templars, you get Negotiate with Hasmal’s Templars. dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Negotiate_with_Hasmal%27s_TemplarsIt also influences the epilogue screens. Personally, I allied with the Templars, as it yields what I feel is a better outcome with an addiction-free Cullen and a rebuilt Seekers. There’s also some minor changes in dialogue. Leliana would have preferred a disbanded Templar Order, but Josephine prefers allies over conscripts. (Josie does this cute hip shake when saying it too. So, y’know, that’s a factor. )
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 19:51:46 GMT
If someone romances Cullen, they may not want to piss him off, although he won't break up over it. He will get really mad if you disband the Templars and yell at the War Table.
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Post by melbella on Oct 21, 2018 16:04:08 GMT
If someone romances Cullen, they may not want to piss him off, although he won't break up over it. He will get really mad if you disband the Templars and yell at the War Table.
I seem to remember him being less upset about conscripting them than when I allied with them. Everyone (except Leliana) is equally incensed regardless what you pick with the mages.
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Post by Lazarillo on Oct 23, 2018 3:37:08 GMT
It still irks me that there is still the bug where, if you conscript the Templars, you don't get anymore interactions with Ser Barris. I'm just glad I can set up what I wanted in the Keep for the next game (which will hopefully exist). Honestly, outside of what line you see in the vanilla epilogue, the ally/conscript decision does nothing with the Templars, so I'd say ally with them in game, and just set it as "conscripted" in the Keep, since Conscripted Barris is bugged.
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Post by Templar Knight on Oct 23, 2018 6:15:14 GMT
Is there any in-game difference? I've never (and will never) 'ally' with the Templars. None of my Inquisitors who have gone to Theirinfal Redoubt have ever had any intention of negotiating with the 'Lord Seeker'. I never bother with his little 'arrange the flags' game. From my perspective, and that of my quizzy's who go to the Templars(who also ask Cassandra about the first Inquisition), the Order is to be brought back into the (reborn yes, but as the true inheritors of the original) Inquisition - the very Organization from whence they came. It still irks me that there is still the bug where, if you conscript the Templars, you don't get anymore interactions with Ser Barris. I'm just glad I can set up what I wanted in the Keep for the next game (which will hopefully exist). But what makes us the true inheritors of the original? There was mention, I believe, that the original "Inquisition" may have even then been called the Seekers of Truth, with "Inquisition" being a pejorative that others used to refer to them. It always seemed presumptuous of me for us to call ourselves the Inquisition when the actual, original "Inquisition" was seemingly still around, You can argue that maybe they've strayed from their purpose and that we do it better, but that's why Cassandra is rebuilding them, isn't it?
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Post by opuspace on Oct 23, 2018 19:52:59 GMT
Is there any in-game difference? I've never (and will never) 'ally' with the Templars. None of my Inquisitors who have gone to Theirinfal Redoubt have ever had any intention of negotiating with the 'Lord Seeker'. I never bother with his little 'arrange the flags' game. From my perspective, and that of my quizzy's who go to the Templars(who also ask Cassandra about the first Inquisition), the Order is to be brought back into the (reborn yes, but as the true inheritors of the original) Inquisition - the very Organization from whence they came. It still irks me that there is still the bug where, if you conscript the Templars, you don't get anymore interactions with Ser Barris. I'm just glad I can set up what I wanted in the Keep for the next game (which will hopefully exist). But what makes us the true inheritors of the original? There was mention, I believe, that the original "Inquisition" may have even then been called the Seekers of Truth, with "Inquisition" being a pejorative that others used to refer to them. It always seemed presumptuous of me for us to call ourselves the Inquisition when the actual, original "Inquisition" was seemingly still around, You can argue that maybe they've strayed from their purpose and that we do it better, but that's why Cassandra is rebuilding them, isn't it? What adds to your point is how Ameridan, the first Inquisitor, was technically still "alive" so in a way, the original Inquisition did still survive in some ways. It's a noble ideal, but one that I'm not sure will stay on a better path necessarily. Cassandra has flaws herself and when she dies, her ideals may end up twisted by later generations unintentionally. I don't think you're wrong to want them to still try and learn from the mistakes of the past. Here's hoping they have a checks and balance system that will help them stay true to better ideals.
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Post by xerrai on Oct 24, 2018 0:28:24 GMT
Is there any in-game difference? I've never (and will never) 'ally' with the Templars. None of my Inquisitors who have gone to Theirinfal Redoubt have ever had any intention of negotiating with the 'Lord Seeker'. I never bother with his little 'arrange the flags' game. From my perspective, and that of my quizzy's who go to the Templars(who also ask Cassandra about the first Inquisition), the Order is to be brought back into the (reborn yes, but as the true inheritors of the original) Inquisition - the very Organization from whence they came. It still irks me that there is still the bug where, if you conscript the Templars, you don't get anymore interactions with Ser Barris. I'm just glad I can set up what I wanted in the Keep for the next game (which will hopefully exist). But what makes us the true inheritors of the original? There was mention, I believe, that the original "Inquisition" may have even then been called the Seekers of Truth, with "Inquisition" being a pejorative that others used to refer to them. It always seemed presumptuous of me for us to call ourselves the Inquisition when the actual, original "Inquisition" was seemingly still around, You can argue that maybe they've strayed from their purpose and that we do it better, but that's why Cassandra is rebuilding them, isn't it? And furthermore, how are we so sure what the original Inquisition believed/represented? We are told they were "Andrastian hard-liners" but what did that even mean back then? Several different cults and variations of the Chant existed back then. We know this because Drakon was in the middle of his empire expansion and his attempts to spread his own version of the Chant of Light. And then there was Ameridian himself who believed in the Maker and the Creators. It was far more likely that old Inquisition, similar to the one formed in the dragon age, was a conglomerate of warriors with several separate beliefs. I wouldn't even be the least bit surprised to find that some old inquisition members were not even Andrastian at all. And if the original Inquisition was anything like the one we have now, then we also have to consider the possibility that some of its members were less in it for thier chosen faith and more for the sake of combating or fighting chaos. How much of thier work was really for the sake of thier belief and more for the sake of fighting certain threats?
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 24, 2018 9:10:56 GMT
And furthermore, how are we so sure what the original Inquisition believed/represented? .............. And if the original Inquisition was anything like the one we have now, then we also have to consider the possibility that some of its members were less in it for thier chosen faith and more for the sake of combating or fighting chaos. How much of thier work was really for the sake of thier belief and more for the sake of fighting certain threats? I think this is likely very near to the truth. We have to remember that everything we know about the original Inquisition (apart from Ameridan) comes through the filter of the Chantry. They maintain its members were hard-line Andrastrians. However, we only have their word on that and Ameridan alone would seem to disprove it. May be the old Inquisition merely required you to have a strong faith in freedom and justice regardless of the god to which you gave your allegiance. As I understand the way spirits work, that is all that would be necessary to attract a faith spirit, even if the early Inquisition did require you to undergo the Seeker Rite (which actually I doubt was the case until the Chantry era). What they do admit is that the old Inquisition was entirely even handed dispensing justice, whether you be noble or commoner. I think it was this fact that made Drakon want to bring the organisation under his control and he would have had the backing of the nobility in doing so. It is also noticeable that people were concerned about the direction the old Inquisition might take under the Chantry, which is why he specifically asked Ameridan to lead it in order to allay their fears. Ameridan was very concerned about the possible misuse of the Rite of Tranquility once it was discovered what it did to a mage who failed the test of faith. He was assured it would not be used in the way it subsequently was. As for the question of allying or disbanding, in a way it is almost irrelevant, particularly if you do not disband the Inquisition. It will continue as the Divine's private army just as the original Inquisition did once it became allied with the Chantry. To my mind this was always Justinia's intention, whatever Giselle likes to believe. The Seekers and Templars had broken away from the Chantry, so she was going to form her own private army to replace them and enforce her will going forward. On the whole, the various choices you can make do slant towards ending the Templar Order as an independent organisation. If you opt for either of the mage options then the Order is pretty much destroyed from within by red lyrium. If you disband the Templars, they become part of the Inquisition. So only with allies do they continue to exist in their old form. Then how independent will they be will depend on who you get as Divine. Allying does increase the chances of getting Divine Cassandra, who is very much for keeping the status quo with reforms. However, Leliana seems to want to tear down everything and start afresh, including favouring disbanding the Inquisition even before the corruption in its ranks is discovered. Whilst Vivienne wants a Templar Order but firmly under her control, so favours disbanding them and bringing them into the Inquisition fold. So if you think the old system just needed reforming but was otherwise okay, then allying is the way to go. If you think the old system was broken beyond a simple fix, then I would favour disbanding them, help them get off their lyrium addiction and then leave them free to join whatever organisation they wish in the future once the immediate crisis has passed.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Oct 28, 2018 2:51:16 GMT
Disband because fuck da mage police.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 6:04:48 GMT
I'd like to see the White Templars make an appearance and have griffins included...
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Post by michaeln7 on Nov 6, 2018 14:12:28 GMT
I opt for alliance, especially as a mage.
To me, it sets the precedent that we are NOT anti-Chantry (it needs reform, not dissolution), that we are NOT conquerors (we could have easily and justifiably dismantled every other major group in Thedas).
Add in that a mage is setting an example, and I don't feel that keeping the Inquisition as a peacekeeping bodyguard for Divine Victoria (Leliana) is in any real danger of "infiltration".
Solas' agents are going to, what? Find out that their "master" was listened to by the Inquisitor who valued his input? That the organization they're spying on is as pure intent as you can muster in Thedas?
Are they REALLY going to sabotage the good guys for doing everything they could to "fight the good fight" protect the innocent?
In case it needs to be said, the above is my head-canon and head-conjecture, I make no absolutes or assumptions on a fundamental basis, as this is a game.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Nov 6, 2018 16:58:59 GMT
Add in that a mage is setting an example, and I don't feel that keeping the Inquisition as a peacekeeping bodyguard for Divine Victoria (Leliana) is in any real danger of "infiltration". Solas' agents are going to, what? Find out that their "master" was listened to by the Inquisitor who valued his input? That the organization they're spying on is as pure intent as you can muster in Thedas? Are they REALLY going to sabotage the good guys for doing everything they could to "fight the good fight" protect the innocent? No, I don't think they're going to sabotage the Inquisition for what they did before. I do think they're going to sabotage the good guys to stop them from doing everything they can to protect the innocent again, though. Solas's agents probably aren't going to interfere with day-to-day Inquisition operations related to being Divine Victoria's bodyguards, but the post-credits scene implies that the Inquisitor intends to use the Inquisition against Solas, and the Keep slides remove all doubt. So Solas absolutely has reason to put spies in it. And even if that wasn't at all the idea, Solas would be mad to assume that wasn't part of the reason the Inquisitor preserved it.
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Post by Lazarillo on Nov 6, 2018 17:54:15 GMT
Solas would be mad to assume that wasn't part of the reason the Inquisitor preserved it. Ruling something out because "Solas would be mad..." is probably not the best way to approach things when discussing a guy who is, in fact, mad. Now, granted, as you mentioned, though, he almost certainly would put spies in the organization anyway, since he doesn't exactly want anyone stopping him. It's an interesting idea to try to present an Inquisitor who proves their open-mindedness as a way of swaying any spies to their side, though. It's not likely to work on fanatics, but there's a purity of heart in that sentiment that's hard to fault.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 7, 2018 18:24:59 GMT
Now, granted, as you mentioned, though, he almost certainly would put spies in the organization anyway, since he doesn't exactly want anyone stopping him. It's an interesting idea to try to present an Inquisitor who proves their open-mindedness as a way of swaying any spies to their side, though. It's not likely to work on fanatics, but there's a purity of heart in that sentiment that's hard to fault. You know, as I understood it, Solas' agents were already in the Inquisition. Part of the reason for disbanding, apart from not wanting it to become the tool of the Chantry once again, is that it would allow the Inquisitor to continue with the "shadow Inquisition" with a clean sheet. They could then properly vet any new people recruited so they were not only unknown to Solas but not working for him either. I rather hope that this could be accomplished, otherwise the main reason for disbanding the organisation (according to the flags against the choice) would be have been negated. I must say that I would be really miffed if next game they have the Solas' spies knowing what the Inquisitor is doing regardless of your choice at the end of Trepasser, even though my chief reason for getting rid of it was that I didn't want it to be part of the Chantry
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