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Post by Serza on Oct 29, 2018 20:47:59 GMT
Y'know, I like that they're undecided.
Means she was written as a character first, and sexuality isn't important.
It bodes well for her final quality as a character, that whole thing about us not being told the moment we saw her first "Oh she's this particular thing."
And yes, I believe this stuff is secondary to making a character. Yes, in many cases (see Dorian) it can be a big part of their story, but it shouldn't be the base stone for a character.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 29, 2018 20:51:25 GMT
Y'know, I like that they're undecided. Means she was written as a character first, and sexuality isn't important. It bodes well for her final quality as a character, that whole thing about us not being told the moment we saw her first "Oh she's this particular thing." And yes, I believe this stuff is secondary to making a character. Yes, in many cases (see Dorian) it can be a big part of their story, but it shouldn't be the base stone for a character. I agree with that. Seems like they are following how Bioware does most of their characters. If they do decide on her being Ace/Demi, she wouldn't be "An Ace/Demi character" but "A character who is Ace/Demi". Hope they do decide that way. That would be great. |
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Post by Serza on Oct 29, 2018 20:55:28 GMT
That is exactly what I like to see.
Also ticks me a little less, with all being the guy who sees things differently from either side.
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I know not everyone agrees but bioware USUALLY has a pretty good track record on this sort of thing.
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Post by Walter Black on Oct 29, 2018 22:25:49 GMT
Walter Black Regarding her having no layers or faults, I have to disagree with you about that. For example she can definitely be arrogant or overconfident in her skills which can get her and those around her into trouble. If you want more faults, I'm sure phoray can help you since we've had multiple discussions about how much our opinion of Vaea differs. As for things connecting her to the events of the game, we'll have to wait until the end of Deception before we can discuss that further since it seems this comic may do exactly that. As for her personal journey and story during the game, it depends on what they do. There are many things that Bioware can do that would respect both the character and the player's choices. Fair enough, but given that we likely have one female elf Companion*, I would still prefer the writers explore a clearly adult/mature elven woman, rather than a slight variation on ones we've already had. I have no problem with Vaea being a potential Agent and/or quest quest giver, however. Maybe DA4's Agents could temporary or reduced Companions, like Pillars of Eternity 2's Sidekicks?
*Given Bioware's current trends, I think our Dragon Age 4 Companions will be 4 humans (2 male, 2 female), two dwarves (1 f, 1m) two elves (1f, 1m), and one Kossith tal-vashoth female. This isn't necessarily what I want, just what I see happening.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 29, 2018 23:17:06 GMT
Walter Black Regarding her having no layers or faults, I have to disagree with you about that. For example she can definitely be arrogant or overconfident in her skills which can get her and those around her into trouble. If you want more faults, I'm sure phoray can help you since we've had multiple discussions about how much our opinion of Vaea differs. As for things connecting her to the events of the game, we'll have to wait until the end of Deception before we can discuss that further since it seems this comic may do exactly that. As for her personal journey and story during the game, it depends on what they do. There are many things that Bioware can do that would respect both the character and the player's choices. Fair enough, but given that we likely have one female elf Companion*, I would still prefer the writers explore a clearly adult/mature elven woman, rather than a slight variation on ones we've already had. I have no problem with Vaea being a potential Agent and/or quest quest giver, however. Maybe DA4's Agents could temporary or reduced Companions, like Pillars of Eternity 2's Sidekicks?
*Given Bioware's current trends, I think our Dragon Age 4 Companions will be 4 humans (2 male, 2 female), two dwarves (1 f, 1m) two elves (1f, 1m), and one Kossith tal-vashoth female. This isn't necessarily what I want, just what I see happening.
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Merrill and Sera.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 29, 2018 23:51:53 GMT
Walter Black Regarding her having no layers or faults, I have to disagree with you about that. For example she can definitely be arrogant or overconfident in her skills which can get her and those around her into trouble. If you want more faults, I'm sure phoray can help you since we've had multiple discussions about how much our opinion of Vaea differs. As for things connecting her to the events of the game, we'll have to wait until the end of Deception before we can discuss that further since it seems this comic may do exactly that. As for her personal journey and story during the game, it depends on what they do. There are many things that Bioware can do that would respect both the character and the player's choices. Fair enough, but given that we likely have one female elf Companion*, I would still prefer the writers explore a clearly adult/mature elven woman, rather than a slight variation on ones we've already had. I have no problem with Vaea being a potential Agent and/or quest quest giver, however. Maybe DA4's Agents could temporary or reduced Companions, like Pillars of Eternity 2's Sidekicks?
*Given Bioware's current trends, I think our Dragon Age 4 Companions will be 4 humans (2 male, 2 female), two dwarves (1 f, 1m) two elves (1f, 1m), and one Kossith tal-vashoth female. This isn't necessarily what I want, just what I see happening.
If they do something like advisers again, a lot of people think Charter will be one and she is a female elf that meets what you are hoping for. Or there could be two female elf companions due to elves most likely being a big thing in the next game considering Solas. |
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Oct 30, 2018 22:54:12 GMT
Fair enough, but given that we likely have one female elf Companion*, I would still prefer the writers explore a clearly adult/mature elven woman, rather than a slight variation on ones we've already had. I have no problem with Vaea being a potential Agent and/or quest quest giver, however. Maybe DA4's Agents could temporary or reduced Companions, like Pillars of Eternity 2's Sidekicks?
Maybe Tallis? Just kidding but Ariane could be interessing. Maybe she and Finn are a Couple. But Bioware can also create a new female (Dalish) Elven Warrior. That would also be fine.
Except from Ariane (she was only a Companion in a very short DLC) we only have two female Mages and one Rogue. Maybe Bioware should give a Female Dalish Warrior another shot.
My problem with Vaea is that she bring nothing new to the table / DA 4 Party. She is a nice cute Girl and likeable but so is Harding. There isn´t so much differences between them. Yeah they have different races but personality-wise Harding and Vaea are both sympathic Inquisition Agents. And Harding is a lot known than Vaea.
I agree that if Vaea became a Questgiver that would be ok. DA 4 needs interessing NPCs. It doesn´t need the typical DAI NPCs like Gauld. Exactly who was Gauld?
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I actually thought Ser Aaron was gay because he took no interest in the pretty young elf. But then I also thought Vaea regarded Sebastian as good-looking, so I guess I was doubly wrong.  |
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 3, 2018 17:30:31 GMT
Maybe Tallis? Just kidding but Ariane could be interessing. Maybe not a joke. Bio has occasionally revisited characters they thought didn't get a fair shake the first time around. |
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My problem with Vaea is that she bring nothing new to the table / DA 4 Party. She is a nice cute Girl and likeable but so is Harding. There isn´t so much differences between them. Yeah they have different races but personality-wise Harding and Vaea are both sympathic Inquisition Agents. And Harding is a lot known than Vaea. I disagree. While yes there are similarities there are a lot of differences too like backstory, personality, motivations, etc. More than enough to have both and have both be interesting. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 3, 2018 17:56:41 GMT
Maybe Tallis? Just kidding but Ariane could be interessing. Maybe not a joke. Bio has occasionally revisited characters they thought didn't get a fair shake the first time around. I definitely expect to at least see Tallis show up in some capacity in DA4, especially after the tease of her in Trespasser. |
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Post by Hrungr on Nov 4, 2018 0:06:53 GMT
My problem with Vaea is that she bring nothing new to the table / DA 4 Party. She is a nice cute Girl and likeable but so is Harding. There isn´t so much differences between them. Yeah they have different races but personality-wise Harding and Vaea are both sympathic Inquisition Agents. And Harding is a lot known than Vaea. I disagree. While yes there are similarities there are a lot of differences too like backstory, personality, motivations, etc. More than enough to have both and have both be interesting. Also, if they did decide to have them both in the game, BW would undoubtedly write them in such a way as to keep them distinct from one another. Characters tend to change between games as well, so the Harding of DA4 will likely have changed from the Harding of DA:I (like Anders, Leliana, Varric, etc.). |
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I disagree. While yes there are similarities there are a lot of differences too like backstory, personality, motivations, etc. More than enough to have both and have both be interesting. Also, if they did decide to have them both in the game, BW would undoubtedly write them in such a way as to keep them distinct from one another. Characters tend to change between games as well, so the Harding of DA4 will likely have changed from the Harding of DA:I (like Anders, Leliana, Varric, etc.). Yeah. After all we don’t see Harding in Trespasser other than the post-credit cutscene so it will be at least two years since we will have last interacted with her. |
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Nov 4, 2018 18:49:30 GMT
Also, if they did decide to have them both in the game, BW would undoubtedly write them in such a way as to keep them distinct from one another. Characters tend to change between games as well, so the Harding of DA4 will likely have changed from the Harding of DA:I (like Anders, Leliana, Varric, etc.). I would compare Harding more with Cassandra and Isabela. Former secondary NPCs who were promoted to Companions. Its likely that Harding will changed but not that much. Like Cassandra before Harding would be further extended
rather that she will get a huge personality change. I am confident that Harding will still have her nice personality rather that she will be a coldheart killer. Also its part of her appeal that she is this nice cute dwarf.
Even if Bioware would make Harding radical different than Vaea it won´t change that both are Inquisition Agents. I find it doubtful that we will have two Inquisition Rogues in the DA 4 Party.
Also Vaea as Companions means that Ser Aaron must also be included in some major way.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 4, 2018 19:04:15 GMT
Also, if they did decide to have them both in the game, BW would undoubtedly write them in such a way as to keep them distinct from one another. Characters tend to change between games as well, so the Harding of DA4 will likely have changed from the Harding of DA:I (like Anders, Leliana, Varric, etc.). I would compare Harding more with Cassandra and Isabela. Former secondary NPCs who were promoted to Companions. Its likely that Harding will changed but not that much. Like Cassandra before Harding would be further extended
rather that she will get a huge personality change. I am confident that Harding will still have her nice personality rather that she will be a coldheart killer. Also its part of her appeal that she is this nice cute dwarf.
Even if Bioware would make Harding radical different than Vaea it won´t change that both are Inquisition Agents. I find it doubtful that we will have two Inquisition Rogues in the DA 4 Party.
Also Vaea as Companions means that Ser Aaron must also be included in some major way.
Even without a huge personality shift the two are still distinct enough from each other in the things I mentioned before. Why do you find that doubtful? It's not the first time Bioware has done that. For example Jacob and Miranda are both biotics from Cerberus, Ashley and James are both soldiers from the Alliance, etc. Yeah, and? What's wrong with that? He could for example be attached to Vaea's personal questline or something if he isn't a companion. There are lots of things that can be done with him. |
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Post by Hrungr on Nov 4, 2018 19:27:31 GMT
Also, if they did decide to have them both in the game, BW would undoubtedly write them in such a way as to keep them distinct from one another. Characters tend to change between games as well, so the Harding of DA4 will likely have changed from the Harding of DA:I (like Anders, Leliana, Varric, etc.). I would compare Harding more with Cassandra and Isabela. Former secondary NPCs who were promoted to Companions. Its likely that Harding will changed but not that much. Like Cassandra before Harding would be further extended
rather that she will get a huge personality change. I am confident that Harding will still have her nice personality rather that she will be a coldheart killer. Also its part of her appeal that she is this nice cute dwarf.
Even if Bioware would make Harding radical different than Vaea it won´t change that both are Inquisition Agents. I find it doubtful that we will have two Inquisition Rogues in the DA 4 Party.
Also Vaea as Companions means that Ser Aaron must also be included in some major way.
This is one of those cases where I wouldn't sweat the details. If BW wants them both as companions, the writers are going to make it work. Ser Aaron is a big part of Vaea's life right now, that's true, but if they didn't want him in the next game they could easily write him out (or reduce his role) in any number of ways. |
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Nov 4, 2018 20:02:21 GMT
Even without a huge personality shift the two are still distinct enough from each other in the things I mentioned before. Both Harding and Vaea would have the same nice Inquisition Agent Background.
Some Users said that even Maevaris and Calpernia are similar characters for Companions but here is a lot more accurate. How will Harding and Vaea interact with eachother? I don´t doubt there will be some differences but basically they would be came character.
Ok i only have compared it with previous Dragon Age Rogues.
DAO: Leliana, Zevran DAA: Nathaniel, Sigrun DA 2: Varric, Isabela and Sebastian (DLC) DAI: Varric, Sera and Cole.
Zevran and Isabela are quite similar but they aren´t in same Game.
Also like Hrungy mentioned Bioware made their DA Companions a lot more distinct than her Mass Effect ones.
Your Mass Effect argument is a bit irrelevant because Factions and Classes aren´t that important in Mass Effect also none of this characters have a similar personality. Miranda and Jacob are both human biotics from Cerberus but they distinguish from eachother in their nature.
A lot more Baggage for Bioware.
Lets not forget that both Vaea and Ser Aaron aren´t Bioware characters. They came from an external Author.
Maybe Bioware don´t like to use this characters in important roles after all some Bioware Author have to replace Nunzio DeFilippis and/or Christina Weir.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 4, 2018 20:15:46 GMT
Even without a huge personality shift the two are still distinct enough from each other in the things I mentioned before. Both Harding and Vaea would have the same nice Inquisition Agent Background.
Some Users said that even Maevaris and Calpernia are similar characters for Companions but here is a lot more accurate. How will Harding and Vaea interact with eachother? I don´t doubt there will be some differences but basically they would be came character.
Ok i only have compared it with previous Dragon Age Rogues.
DAO: Leliana, Zevran DAA: Nathaniel, Sigrun DA 2: Varric, Isabela and Sebastian (DLC) DAI: Varric, Sera and Cole.
Zevran and Isabela are quite similar but they aren´t in same Game.
Also like Hrungy mentioned Bioware made their DA Companions a lot more distinct than her Mass Effect ones.
Your Mass Effect argument is a bit irrelevant because Factions and Classes aren´t that important in Mass Effect also none of this characters have a similar personality. Miranda and Jacob are both human biotics from Cerberus but they distinguish from eachother in their nature.
A lot more Baggage for Bioware.
Lets not forget that both Vaea and Ser Aaron aren´t Bioware characters. They came from an external Author.
Maybe Bioware don´t like to use this characters in important roles after all some Bioware Author have to replace Nunzio DeFilippis and/or Christina Weir.
Other than nice please describe how their personalities are so similar that they would be the same character. You’ll find that they have as many if not more differences than similarities. Plus again they have different backstories, motivations, and so on. Also while I don’t want Calpernia as a companion I disagree that she and Mae are too similar. Where did Hungr say that? I missed it. And you helped prove my point. Despite all the similarities Miranda and Jacob were still able to be two different characters. Nunzio and Christina have been working closely with Bioware with the comics so while yes they are external they aren’t completely separated. If I recall correctly Nunzio even said he would love for the characters to be in the game. Plus it’s not the worst tome the writers have swapped, and like they worked close with BioWare on the comics BioWare could work closely with them on the game. |
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 4, 2018 21:07:46 GMT
Lets not forget that both Vaea and Ser Aaron aren´t Bioware characters. They came from an external Author.
Maybe Bioware don´t like to use this characters in important roles after all some Bioware Author have to replace Nunzio DeFilippis and/or Christina Weir. If they want to use them they will. After all Cole was DG's character from Asunder but PW took him over for DAI. Then we have all the characters who were transported from Masked Empire. They might have not been companions but they did play a major part in the main plot. Dorian has appeared in two different comics now, both with different sets of authors and neither of them DG. Calpernia was also used having originally been created for DAI. Marius also originally appeared in the short story for Calpernia written by a different person from the comics. So Bioware seem happy for characters to translate from comic to game and vice versa. It is their game world after all. |
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Post by Hrungr on Nov 6, 2018 3:44:50 GMT
Also like Hrungy mentioned Bioware made their DA Companions a lot more distinct than her Mass Effect ones. I don't think that was me... do you happen to remember when that was? I may have mentioned the characters in DA resonate a little more strongly for me than the ones in ME. But I don't recall BW making such a comparison. |
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