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Post by Heimdall on Oct 26, 2018 12:25:12 GMT
Part 2, much shorter quotes in this one.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 26, 2018 13:57:06 GMT
After you have finished the legacy of Andraste, there is another aspect of Ferelden history that struck me as strange, so perhaps you could explore it a bit. We were told that the Tower at Ostagar really marked the southern limit of Tevinter's influence and the Imperial Highway ended here. The tower was built in order to defend the settlements in the farmland to the north from the uncivilised barbarians they had been unable to conquer in the south. Yet in Jaws of Hakkon we discovered that there had been a Tevinter outpost in the far south of the Frostback range, both with a Temple to their god Razikale and advanced magical technology in place that would suggest this had been more than simply a brief excursion. What attracted them to that remote location? Who were the moon men and snake people mentioned in the texts found there? Were the ancient Tevinter settlements in any way connected with the ruins we find in the Brecilian Forest that we were told seemed Tevinter by design and yet apparently the refuge of a community of co-existing humans and elves who revered the elven gods? Was Kinloch Hold originally built by the Avvar (as the name suggests) or Tevinter mages, as seems more likely?
Actually, with regard to the history of Andraste, how did she (or rather her mother)come to have an elven sword, the name of which would seem to mean "Freedom" or something similar, that she gave to Shartan. How did the content of an ancient elven text from the Temple of Mythal, bemoaning the troubling freedom resulting from Fen'Harel's action, wind up in an Alamarri war poem that later became the Denerim lullaby "Where the Willows Wail"?
Lots of questions to which there are few answers at present, I know, but it might be worth bringing together all the various strands in a video.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Oct 31, 2018 19:32:58 GMT
Part 2, much shorter quotes in this one. Hey now, you could read all the Canticles of the CoL and I’d still watch! They are meant to be orated. Good two parter. Maferath can’t get his come-uppance often enough.
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Post by parsival on Nov 1, 2018 14:17:36 GMT
Interesting again to hear all the information amassed in one podcast. I didn't realise that the name 'Shartan' might have been used by more than one rebellious slave, in a 'Red Jenny' sense. I wonder if this is a nod to the famous 'I'm Spartacus!' cry with regard to a RW slave revolt against the Romans. Also, the earthquakes which devastated the Tevinter Imperium during Andraste's assault could have other causes, now we know a little more of the Titans.
Anyway, I look forward to hearing more about the original Disciples of Andraste.
Keep up the good work!
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Post by Heimdall on Nov 1, 2018 15:29:17 GMT
Interesting again to hear all the information amassed in one podcast. I didn't realise that the name 'Shartan' might have been used by more than one rebellious slave, in a 'Red Jenny' sense. I wonder if this is a nod to the famous 'I'm Spartacus!' cry with regard to a RW slave revolt against the Romans. Also, the earthquakes which devastated the Tevinter Imperium during Andraste's assault could have other causes, now we know a little more of the Titans. Anyway, I look forward to hearing more about the original Disciples of Andraste. Keep up the good work! I’m guessing it is a Spartacus reference. TWoT v2 also says that there isn’t a consensus on where Shartan’s revolt actually happened, as various sources ascribe it to virtually every city in Tevinter outside of Minrathous.
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Post by Heimdall on Nov 1, 2018 17:57:41 GMT
Good work. Speculations in regards to the "true" history of Andraste as opposed to what is presented as truth by the Chantry are always interesting to me. As for topic suggestions, I mentioned demons and other entities before, and it occurs to me that while I do have a fairly good grasp of how magic works in the DA setting, I'm still rather vague about Lyrium (both types), as well as the titans and their relationship with the Dwarves. Well, the lore itself is vague on that front. I think it’s hinted that the dwarves were basically automatons serving the Titans without emotion until Mythal apparently tied them to the Fade. I’m still a bit confused as to why lyrium can be used as a source of magical energy, yet also grant non-mages anti-magic abilities. Although I might avoid dwarf and elf history for awhile. I initially decided to focus on humans because I anticipate further lore reveals about the ancient dwarves and elves in DA4 that could flesh them out a lot.
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Post by Heimdall on Nov 1, 2018 18:13:40 GMT
I’m avoiding topics like the Imperial Chantry or anything too deep into Tevinter generally for similar reasons
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Post by Heimdall on Nov 1, 2018 18:13:56 GMT
I’m still a bit confused as to why lyrium can be used as a source of magical energy, yet also grant non-mages anti-magic abilities. My understanding of this (which I might be mistaken about) was that it's less that Lyrium is inherently anti-magic, and more that Lyrium is magically active and therefore allows non-mages limited access to some types of magic. The focus on negating magic? It's probably more a matter of discipline and the Chantry's focus than a statement about the abilities of Lyrium. (hence Fenris, and Golems doing magical stuff) And it can be used to sever a connection to the Fade, which I guess might be down to it being a source of energy outside the Fade so it isn’t that counterintuitive.
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Post by Heimdall on Nov 1, 2018 18:22:34 GMT
And it can be used to sever a connection to the Fade, which I guess might be down to it being a source of energy outside the Fade so it isn’t that counterintuitive. Hmmm... yes. That too. But since we don't really know the details on that, it's a bit hard to speculate on the exact details of how and why. Also, from DA2 it is implied that killing a mage (at least a Dreamer) in the Fade, is enough to render them "tranquil". So I suppose that also adds to the confusion. Honestly I think the writers fell into the trap of using it as phlebotinum tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AppliedPhlebotinum
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Post by Heimdall on Nov 29, 2018 1:09:29 GMT
Actually, with regard to the history of Andraste, how did she (or rather her mother)come to have an elven sword, the name of which would seem to mean "Freedom" or something similar, that she gave to Shartan. Month old comment I know, but as I was flipping through TWoT v2 I notice a curiously redacted passage on page 135 that indicates Shartan gave the sword its name when he received it rather than Andraste carrying an elven sword.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 30, 2018 21:58:31 GMT
The way it is phrased in the Canticle of Shartan, that could still be the case. The other version says he gave the sword its name after Andraste presented him with it. In the CoS, which is based on elven oral tradition, it says she gave him her own sword but the name that follows could be just the original narrator of the story pointing out this was how he acquired the sword that the elves know as Glandivalis (because Shartan named it). Then because she gave him the sword with the words "Take this, my champion, and free our people forever", this is why he gives it a name that could mean "freedom" in elvish. So you could be right that the sword was not elven, simply the name it acquired from Shartan.
However, my comments about the Denerim lullaby, which itself was based on an Alamarri war poem, still apply. The scholars draw attention to the similarities with the text found in the Temple of Mythal which was though to have been in isolation even from the elves when they lived in the Dales. So if the elven text did influence the Alamarri one, how did that come about? Presumably there must have been elves in the south to whom the text was familiar who did not isolated themselves from human society. May be this was the same group that co-existed with humans in the Brecillian Forest.
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