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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Oct 27, 2018 17:35:48 GMT
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Oct 27, 2018 17:53:24 GMT
It is about time.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Oct 27, 2018 19:40:32 GMT
Definitely interesting, though whether it applies to vidya and how exactly is another question. Seems to me like the important question has been answered.
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Post by Serza on Oct 27, 2018 21:30:30 GMT
So, let's say that if a game is abandoned, it can be legally modified in any way to become playable again...?
With, of course, the condition of it becoming literally impossible to play by abandonment?
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Post by Sanunes on Oct 28, 2018 12:40:18 GMT
Maybe I read a different article, but the majority of that article is about the right to repair hardware and the DRM preventing that. There is a clause about being able to play a video game if an authentication server is taken offline so if Origin disappears overnight we can modify the software to play the offline aspects of the games we own, but only if the authentication software is taken offline. That doesn't seem to be a strike against DRM, just that they don't have the right to remove our use of a piece of software by removing the authentication of it.
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Post by Sanunes on Oct 28, 2018 12:43:02 GMT
So, let's say that if a game is abandoned, it can be legally modified in any way to become playable again...? With, of course, the condition of it becoming literally impossible to play by abandonment? The way I read the article it depends. Now there could be more to it then what I was seeing, but the software aspect of amendments is we are allowed to modify the software of a video game if the authentication server is taken offline. If you are playing Dragon Age: Origins where EA made you authenticate the game with EA servers before you could play the game, but EA takes down the servers to authenticate your product you have the right to modify Dragon Age: Origins so you can play the game without that sign in process only because EA took down those authentication servers.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Oct 28, 2018 15:42:36 GMT
The PDF of the exemption is linked in the article. It's 85 pages long and starts:
37 CFR Part 201 [Docket No. 2017-10] Exemption to Prohibition on Circumvention of Copyright Protection Systems for Access Control Technologies
It's worth reading the recommendation with justification for video games that starts on page 55, Section 8. Both the proponent's and opponent's arguments are summarized. General software is in the previous section, worth reading for context, since the video game section is explicitly separated for its unique characteristics. The exemptions for games are generally broader than the exemptions for general software.
The Determination of the Library of Congress, the actual exemption for video games -- which btw, only applies for three years, as these rules are reviewed every 3 years -- starts on page 81, and is copied below in it's entirety. Note that only 12(i)(A) applies to everyone, for personal use. 12(i)(B ), (ii) and (iii) are for eligible institutions, like public libraries, only.
(12)(i) Video games in the form of computer programs embodied in physical or downloaded formats that have been lawfully acquired as complete games, when the copyright owner or its authorized representative has ceased to provide access to an external computer server necessary to facilitate an authentication process to enable gameplay, solely for the purpose of: (A) Permitting access to the video game to allow copying and modification of the computer program to restore access to the game for personal, local gameplay on a personal computer or video game console; or (B ) Permitting access to the video game to allow copying and modification of the computer program to restore access to the game on a personal computer or video game console when necessary to allow preservation of the game in a playable form by an eligible library, archives, or museum, where such activities are carried out without any purpose of direct or indirect commercial advantage and the video game is not distributed or made available outside of the physical premises of the eligible library, archives, or museum. (ii) Video games in the form of computer programs embodied in physical or downloaded formats that have been lawfully acquired as complete games, that do not require access to an external computer server for gameplay, and that are no longer reasonably available in the commercial marketplace, solely for the purpose of preservation of the game in a playable form by an eligible library, archives, or museum, where such activities are carried out without any purpose of direct or indirect commercial advantage and the video game is not distributed or made available outside of the physical premises of the eligible library, archives, or museum. (iii) Computer programs used to operate video game consoles solely to the extent necessary for an eligible library, archives, or museum to engage in the preservation activities described in paragraph (B )(12)(i)(B ) or (B )(12)(ii) of this section. (iv) For purposes of this paragraph (B )(12), the following definitions shall apply: (A) For purposes of paragraph (B )(12)(i)(A) and (B )(12)(ii) of this section, “complete games” means video games that can be played by users without accessing or reproducing copyrightable content stored or previously stored on an external computer server. (B ) For purposes of paragraph (B )(12)(i)(B ) of this section, “complete games” means video games that meet the definition in paragraph (B )(12)(iv)(A) of this section, or that consist of both a copy of a game intended for a personal computer or video game console and a copy of the game’s code that was stored or previously stored on an external computer server. (C) “Ceased to provide access” means that the copyright owner or its authorized representative has either issued an affirmative statement indicating that external server support for the video game has ended and such support is in fact no longer available or, alternatively, server support has been discontinued for a period of at least six months; provided, however, that server support has not since been restored. (D) “Local gameplay” means gameplay conducted on a personal computer or video game console, or locally connected personal computers or consoles, and not through an online service or facility. (E) A library, archives, or museum is considered “eligible” when the collections of the library, archives, or museum are open to the public and/or are routinely made available to researchers who are not affiliated with the library, archives, or museum.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Oct 28, 2018 16:51:07 GMT
So I wanted to keep my interpretation separate from the text of the exemption -- you can draw your own conclusions from the above.
It's not a "legally fuck off" for DRM at all. If the DRM has no online component, or has an online component and the online component is still alive and kicking, this exemption doesn't do a damn thing. You can still get sued for infringement, even for a personal copy. That's going to be the vast majority of what anyone cares about.
On the plus side, it's not limited to DRM. A video game with no DRM at all, but gated by an online login screen that no longer works because servers have been turned off, can be modified so that it no longer requires that login. This has happened to me personally. Fallout 3 on Windows used to be gated by a Games for Windows Live login. Then Microsoft shut that shit down and, unless you bought a new non-GFWL copy of Fallout 3, you were SOL. But some dudes came up with a community patch/mod that removed the GFWL requirement and saved us all. Technically, Microsoft could have sued for infringement, but I think they either turned a blind eye or came to an agreement with the modders. Now with this exemption, the modders will have legal protection.
I think the definition of "complete game" wrt eligible institutions is also interesting. It says that if a public library can get a license for both the server side and client side of an online game -- for the purposes of preservation -- it can copy and modify that "complete game" as needed to keep it running. So if you want to play ME3MP 10 years from now, make sure your local library has a copy of the game server too! BUT, you are SOL if you want to volunteer to help fix the server to work for the library. They decided not to include the "affiliate archivist" role for this purpose -- read, modders. You'll have to be an employee (or contractor?) of the library.
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Post by griffith82 on Nov 5, 2018 15:18:24 GMT
Maybe I read a different article, but the majority of that article is about the right to repair hardware and the DRM preventing that. There is a clause about being able to play a video game if an authentication server is taken offline so if Origin disappears overnight we can modify the software to play the offline aspects of the games we own, but only if the authentication software is taken offline. That doesn't seem to be a strike against DRM, just that they don't have the right to remove our use of a piece of software by removing the authentication of it. But that happening is very unlikely. Orign/steam/uplay and gog likely have failsafes for that.
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 5, 2018 15:40:05 GMT
Maybe I read a different article, but the majority of that article is about the right to repair hardware and the DRM preventing that. There is a clause about being able to play a video game if an authentication server is taken offline so if Origin disappears overnight we can modify the software to play the offline aspects of the games we own, but only if the authentication software is taken offline. That doesn't seem to be a strike against DRM, just that they don't have the right to remove our use of a piece of software by removing the authentication of it. But that happening is very unlikely. Orign/steam/uplay and gog likely have failsafes for that. No doubt, but that is all I think that is all this is designed to do if there isn't a failsafe to allow continued use. I think it has more to do with older software anyway, for one of my favorite games No One Lives Forever had an online authentication, but those severs disappeared years ago and nobody is sure who owns the rights to the IP. So if someone was going to try and get legal on the people that have bypassed all the DRM in the game so people can continue to play this modification would protect them.
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Post by griffith82 on Nov 5, 2018 20:09:27 GMT
But that happening is very unlikely. Orign/steam/uplay and gog likely have failsafes for that. No doubt, but that is all I think that is all this is designed to do if there isn't a failsafe to allow continued use. I think it has more to do with older software anyway, for one of my favorite games No One Lives Forever had an online authentication, but those severs disappeared years ago and nobody is sure who owns the rights to the IP. So if someone was going to try and get legal on the people that have bypassed all the DRM in the game so people can continue to play this modification would protect them. Ah.
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