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Post by WardenKelda on Oct 10, 2016 15:49:06 GMT
Replaying Origins for the four millionth time and destroying the anvil means I only have dwarves in my army to defeat the archdemon.
Except, it suddenly occurred to me that the Orzammar dwarves consider surface dwarves to be lower than casteless. Useful but not worth acknowledging. So why would a large proportion of presumably the warrior caste be willing to become casteless, risk falling into the sky to march across Ferelden and defeat the Archdemon. The Legion of the Dead, I can sort of understand, because they're already officially dead. And if they decided to force some of the people in Dust Town to fight, they seem to be the most superstitious (presumably because they've only got surface dwarves below them and they want to enforce that).
Even if the Shaperate instituted a policy a la the Crusades - so doing stuff which was otherwise immoral was moral in the service of a crusade - I'd still expect far more resistance to the idea of going to the surface to fight regardless of the approval rating of the new king. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 16:32:43 GMT
I think they make exceptions during a blight so they can honor their treaty with the wardens.
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Post by phoray on Oct 10, 2016 17:34:12 GMT
You know what would be interesting to learn?
Why the Dwarves made the treaties with the Wardens at all. The Origins Dwarves seem to think nothing of a Blight on the surface, even with their own reduced numbers. 800 years ago when their numbers were far better, what was the "gain" at all? Honor? An all around hatred for Darkspawn as a rule? Or a promise from the Wardens to work in the Deep Roads between Blights?
I'm just saying, I just don't see the reason why the Dawrves would have signed such a treaty in the first place.
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Post by Zemgus on Oct 10, 2016 17:51:12 GMT
Good point. Maybe the Wardens did indeed promise they would help the dwarves recover their lost thaigs but that obviously hasn't happened for one reason or another. This is what I dislike about the Wardens: they are so obsessed with archdemons when in fact they should focus on the darkspawn.
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Post by WardenKelda on Oct 10, 2016 18:36:29 GMT
I think they make exceptions during a blight so they can honor their treaty with the wardens.
The last Blight was four hundred years previously. Even if there was a legal exception to being made casteless by going on the surface, it doesn't automatically follow that people would be willing to do so after four hundred years. And although we're talking about legal precedent, the social precedent for warriors going to the surface and coming back while retaining their caste may have disappeared.
As for why the dwarves would sign the treaties, I get why. Not only were the Blights a serious blow for dwarven civilisation so there's a grudge there but Orzammar in particular relies a whole lot on trade from the surface incoming and outgoing. They lost their food producing thaig's a long time ago so a lot of their food comes from the surface. Prior to the Fifth Blight, the shortest Blight was 12 years. With a state of war going on all over Thedas trade is going to suffer and that means people are going to starve. They've got a couple of food sources but feeding a city on nugs, brontos and Deep Mushrooms wouldn't last very long. And while the nobility might not care that the casteless and other lower castes are starving, starving poor are rebellious poor.
Without the Wardens the Blights are unending. Aiding the end of the Blight is in the best interest of Orzammar.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Oct 10, 2016 21:13:03 GMT
You know what would be interesting to learn? Why the Dwarves made the treaties with the Wardens at all. The Origins Dwarves seem to think nothing of a Blight on the surface, even with their own reduced numbers. 800 years ago when their numbers were far better, what was the "gain" at all? Honor? An all around hatred for Darkspawn as a rule? Or a promise from the Wardens to work in the Deep Roads between Blights? I'm just saying, I just don't see the reason why the Dawrves would have signed such a treaty in the first place. The Wardens do make occasional trips into the Deep Roads, for The Calling and some other reasons. That might be it. Which is not to say you're wrong that the dwarves seem to be getting the... short end. |
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