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Post by river82 on Apr 14, 2019 12:36:07 GMT
There's another component of this. Sometimes people use the term "willing suspension of disbelief". This points at the fact that often we can enjoy the story knowing quite well some of its elements are silly from an even remotely realistic viewpoint. For instance, I'd be willing to forget about the implausibility of your Inquisitor scenario quite more readily than I was willing to forgive the MET's blatant disregard of known facts about genetics. A part of this is while the former is just implausible, the latter presents false information, and thus propagates fake RL science (as opposed to fake fictional science used to explain in-world extras like FTL or magic, which is necessary for the story to work), and even more to the point, it's fake science in a politically relevant area of science where your typical casual layperson isn't knowledgeable enough to know it as fake. It thus contributes to real-world disinformation in a way an obviously ludicrous plot setup never could. This is the kind of thing I'm not willing to forgive. Yeah, a lot of scientists and people with significant knowledge of science are quite unforgiving of science fiction. It's part of what makes it an intimidating genre to write novels in. "The fun, and the material for this article, lies in treating the whole thing as a game. I've been playing the game since I was a child, so the rules must be quite simple. They are: for the reader of a science-fiction story, they consist of finding as many as possible of the author's statements or implications which conflict with the facts as science currently understands them. For the author, the rule is to make as few such slips as he possibly can […] Certain exceptions are made [e.g., to allow travel faster than the speed of light], but fair play demands that all such matters be mentioned as early as possible in the story …” - Hal Clement
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Post by Noxluxe on Apr 14, 2019 13:30:11 GMT
There's another component of this. Sometimes people use the term "willing suspension of disbelief". This points at the fact that often we can enjoy the story knowing quite well some of its elements are silly from an even remotely realistic viewpoint. For instance, I'd be willing to forget about the implausibility of your Inquisitor scenario quite more readily than I was willing to forgive the MET's blatant disregard of known facts about genetics. A part of this is while the former is just implausible, the latter presents false information, and thus propagates fake RL science (as opposed to fake fictional science used to explain in-world extras like FTL or magic, which is necessary for the story to work), and even more to the point, it's fake science in a politically relevant area of science where your typical casual layperson isn't knowledgeable enough to know it as fake. It thus contributes to real-world disinformation in a way an obviously ludicrous plot setup never could. This is the kind of thing I'm not willing to forgive. Yeah, a lot of scientists and people with significant knowledge of science are quite unforgiving of science fiction. It's part of what makes it an intimidating genre to write novels in. "The fun, and the material for this article, lies in treating the whole thing as a game. I've been playing the game since I was a child, so the rules must be quite simple. They are: for the reader of a science-fiction story, they consist of finding as many as possible of the author's statements or implications which conflict with the facts as science currently understands them. For the author, the rule is to make as few such slips as he possibly can […] Certain exceptions are made [e.g., to allow travel faster than the speed of light], but fair play demands that all such matters be mentioned as early as possible in the story …” - Hal Clement And that balance is even harder to strike in a video game, where the "science" in question may have to be further distilled into gameplay mechanics conducive to having a good time for people who haven't touched the inside of an electronic appliance in their lives. As an electrician with some experience building and programming industry robots, for example, my eyes get pretty twitchy whenever "hacking" and "programming" mini-games come up for the first time, especially if the instructions have been phrased with completely misused real-world technical terms.
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Post by river82 on Apr 14, 2019 13:35:32 GMT
for example, my eyes get pretty twitchy whenever "hacking" and "programming" mini-games come up for the first time, especially if the instructions have been phrased with completely misused real-world technical terms. "Remember the old days when you could just slap omni-gel on everything"
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Post by x19dude95 on Aug 1, 2019 13:28:02 GMT
I want a new Protagonist what has no ties to the Inquisitor or anything in past Dragon age. While we also have times to play as a one armed older Inquisitor.
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Post by x19dude95 on Aug 1, 2019 13:30:08 GMT
People say that because of Solas' involvement the Inquisitor must take centre stage in the next game, but by that logic Hawke should have been the PC in Inquisition because of his involvement with Corypheus and the fact Cassandra was looking for them to become the Inquisitor. Hawke turns up to help, so then why shouldn't the Inquisitor. I understand that because of our relationship with Solas (friend, enemy, frenemy, or lover) that the Inquisitor must confront him, but let's not forget that Solas used the Inquisition perfectly to achieve his goals. Bringing them into the scenario will only give Solas more power, and he has more than enough power. Hawke was supposed to be the Inquisitor in their original plans. That’s why they set up the story in DA2, as well as marketing, to have Hawke as a recognizable figure, a legend of story, the most important person in Thedas (by marketing). If DA2 wouldn’t have been so negatively received, the plan would’ve continued. Instead, they changed things up. Hawke! Seriously, I think we had one of the best game protagonists ever right there, at least as good as Commander Shepard, Geralt of Rivia or the Avatar, but he/she only gets one game?? If not, I can see dual protagonists possibly working in a Geralt/Ciri kind of way, but I'm not up for playing solely as the Inquisitor again. Hawke can be dead after Inquisition, so they won’t certainly take him back wan protagonist. You actually have to remember it was the fans fault for the changes of the story. Bioware should of stuck with their guns.
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Post by Doominike on Aug 4, 2019 11:16:51 GMT
Being in Tevinter opens up a bunch of interesting character backgrounds (daughter/son of a magister, slave/escaped slave, actual Qun-qunari or actual fled-Par Vollen Tal-Vashoth, etc) so I'd like playing someone new. The only issue is, Solas is way too big a deal to not have to deal with him, and it'd be bullshit if a new character does it as opposed to the Inquisitor who has a personal stake with him.
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Post by Sifr on Aug 4, 2019 18:50:36 GMT
A Qun-following Qunari could work as a protagonist if they were a captured member of the Beresaad, forcibly made Tal-Vashoth after their unique weapon (their "soul") was taken and destroyed in front of them, preventing them from ever being able to return home.
(Essentially "What would have happened to Sten if Asala was destroyed before he could recover it?")
Of course being part of the Beresaad would limit that to male only... unless the female version of this background had them as a member of the Ben-Hassrath instead?
I don't think Bioware has ever clarified if they also have unique weapons given to them though? It would seem counter-intuitive to give Qunari spies an easily identifiable weapon or require they keep a hold of it at all times, as their missions might require them to go unarmed to infiltrate somewhere. I suppose they could give them concealable weapons, but you'd figure the Tevinters would get wise to that quickly.
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Post by Doominike on Aug 4, 2019 19:39:28 GMT
Or an Aqun-Athlok 'female' Beresaad I guess. But Ben-Hassrath would work better since that includes social skills and such that would fit a PC more.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 8, 2019 3:50:14 GMT
Just popping back in to say that I still want the Inquisitor to be dead at the start of the game.
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Post by helios969 on Aug 9, 2019 11:51:27 GMT
Yeah, a lot of scientists and people with significant knowledge of science are quite unforgiving of science fiction. It's part of what makes it an intimidating genre to write novels in. I learned long ago to shut off my brain with regard to "science" fiction and just enjoy the story (or not as it may be) as most writers have a marginal understanding of the subject matter they're incorporating. I think the mistake sci-fi writers make is when they try to explain the science and technological aspects of their universe. Star Trek is notorious for this with their technobabble. Heisenberg-Compensators always make me cringe when stated as a solution when transporting matter...disassembly and reassembly at the atomic scale. It's best to leave the technological portion ambiguous to allow people who understand science at a deeper level to formulate their own ideas on how something might work.
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Post by river82 on Aug 9, 2019 13:17:17 GMT
Yeah, a lot of scientists and people with significant knowledge of science are quite unforgiving of science fiction. It's part of what makes it an intimidating genre to write novels in. I learned long ago to shut off my brain with regard to "science" fiction and just enjoy the story (or not as it may be) as most writers have a marginal understanding of the subject matter they're incorporating. I think the mistake sci-fi writers make is when they try to explain the science and technological aspects of their universe. Star Trek is notorious for this with their technobabble. Heisenberg-Compensators always make me cringe when stated as a solution when transporting matter...disassembly and reassembly at the atomic scale. It's best to leave the technological portion ambiguous to allow people who understand science at a deeper level to formulate their own ideas on how something might work. I prefer science fantasy "Wow, how did they beam down to the ground?" "Space magic" "Lasers? How do they work exactly?" "Space magic" "Wow, how di-" "SPACE MAGIC!!!"
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Post by melbella on Aug 10, 2019 1:23:09 GMT
I think the mistake sci-fi writers make is when they try to explain the science and technological aspects of their universe. A bigger mistake is to get the science right but have the characters be so godawful dull that I don't give a crap about the science, or the book for that matter.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 10, 2019 6:39:24 GMT
Is it just me or did this debate about science fiction come right the fuck out of nowhere?
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Post by helios969 on Aug 10, 2019 7:03:55 GMT
I think the mistake sci-fi writers make is when they try to explain the science and technological aspects of their universe. A bigger mistake is to get the science right but have the characters be so godawful dull that I don't give a crap about the science, or the book for that matter. No doubt...no matter the genre any good story must be character driven.
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Post by helios969 on Aug 10, 2019 7:05:36 GMT
Is it just me or did this debate about science fiction come right the fuck out of nowhere? Meh, this is BSN...tangents are expected...shoot, maybe it's a prerequisite for membership.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 10, 2019 7:12:14 GMT
Is it just me or did this debate about science fiction come right the fuck out of nowhere? Meh, this is BSN...tangents are expected...shoot, maybe it's a prerequisite for membership. Well, it's more that I can't find the origin of the tangent at all.
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