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Post by wickedcool on Dec 7, 2018 12:40:12 GMT
So this appears to be the second idol? Wasn’t the first destroyed
Who is the idol a symbol of? Appears to be a woman with a horn and holding 2 eggs?
Who created it and why?have to assume she has followers?once a magister like Cory or older? Maybe she gave Cory the red lyrium we see on his face?
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Post by simit on Dec 7, 2018 12:45:26 GMT
Answers in DA4 maybe? 😁😁👍
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 7, 2018 22:17:26 GMT
I suspect that it's a relic from pre-Veil times, likely connected to the Evanuris.
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Post by eternalgoddess on Dec 8, 2018 3:42:24 GMT
Mythal.
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Post by jrpN7 on Dec 8, 2018 3:50:48 GMT
As someone who skipped DA2 (because ugh), I am at a complete loss for the idol and its significance other than that is is linked to red lyrium which is baaaaaaad.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Dec 8, 2018 5:30:02 GMT
As someone who skipped DA2 (because ugh), I am at a complete loss for the idol and its significance other than that is is linked to red lyrium which is baaaaaaad. The short version: Hawke and Varric found the idol in a very weird lost thaig, below the Deep Roads. Varric's brother Bartrand took it, locked Varric and Hawke and whoever else they had with them in the thaig. (Spoilers: they fought a big rock monster and escaped.) Eventually the idol drove Bartrand mad. He sold it to Knight-Commander Meredith, who melted it down into a big sword. Later Samson and then potentially the Inquisitor got hold of a big sword that is, at the very least, eerily similar.
The idol gave Meredith far more power than any Red Templar we saw in DAI, and a fragment of the idol that Bartrand kept also did some very odd things to his house. So it seems that the idol is powerful and evil even apart from being made out of red lyrium. We don't know if the idol in the trailer indicates that there's more than one of them or not.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Dec 8, 2018 11:43:08 GMT
It might be there because of what it represents. Perhaps who made it, why, what it does, and/or who it depicts will be whats important to da4/Solas's plan.
Or maybe there's just more than one, if it is depicting Mythal maybe there's one for each of the Evanuris?
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Post by wickedcool on Dec 8, 2018 13:37:37 GMT
Was the idol a gift meant to kill a thag?
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 8, 2018 13:50:33 GMT
So this appears to be the second idol? Wasn’t the first destroyed It may not indicate an idol that is still in existence (the first one allegedly having been destroyed to create Meredith's sword) but is symbolic of what the idol represents. However, remember that Meredith transformed into a lyrium statue and was apparently still in the Gallows according to Varric and the comic series Knight Errant. Who is the idol a symbol of? Appears to be a woman with a horn and holding 2 eggs? My bet is that it is symbolic of Mythal or more likely her corpse. We know that red lyrium can grow on any organic thing, even small microbes in the soil so her corpse could have been a feeding ground for the substance. Solas suggested at the site of the Conclave explosion that the red lyrium we find on the surface there had been caused by the magical backlash corrupting the lyrium. We know from DAO and Oghran that apparently the entire mountain was a huge lyrium deposit (dead titan?). It would seem that it was also the site of a shrine to Mythal and we know from Trespasser that she was behind a major lyrium mining operation at the time of the ancient elves. So if Mythal was killed in the Deep Roads whilst overseeing/guarding her mining operation, the magic needed to kill her might well have corrupted the lyrium. Who created it and why?have to assume she has followers? I would suggest that it was created by her dwarven followers. When she defeated the titan, she seems to have freed the dwarves from its influence and gave them "dreams". It could be that Sandal was an example of one of these dwarves. He has strange powers, experiences visions and had disturbing dreams which featured a frightening lady that sounded a lot like Flemeth. Bodhan found him in the Deep Roads, far below the normal levels and in an area of murals depicting dwarves, elves, dragons and strange creatures that Bodhan had never encountered. In Trespasser the elves were said to have discovered something in the Deep Roads that scared them and caused them to seal those levels. It was caused by something that the Evanuris had done. What if it was the corrupted corpse of Mythal? Then when they sealed it away, all those dwarves with it were shut in and died, becoming the profane we discover in DA2 in the ancient thaig. The only thing was we didn't find the corpse but it may be the whole level was sealed off and we only explored a small part of it. Renn, the dwarven legionnaire who accompanied us in the Descent, suggested that somewhere there must be the original brood-mother that started the Blights and efforts should be made to locate this and destroy it rather than the surviving old gods. Mythal is known as the mother goddess in elven lore and in her elven mural is depicted as a protective mother, so it would make sense in a way that her corrupted corpse gave birth to the darkspawn.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Dec 10, 2018 1:58:13 GMT
Judging by the Codex Entry: Primeval Thaig there is more then one idol. Apparanetly a scavenger found an ancient thaig (whether the same one as Hawke or another) and brought back an Idle of unknown substance depicting an unknown individual in unknown dress who was not any paragon.
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Post by arvaarad on Dec 10, 2018 4:19:34 GMT
Yeah, I think it’s likely to be either her or Andruil. Reasons for it to be Mythal: clear associations with freeing dwarves/fighting titans and the “Mythal speaks the Calling” theory. Reasons for it to be Andruil: associations with the Void, associations with armor of the Void that spread sickness, possibility that she hunted titans, overall hunger for power. Regardless, it seems pretty likely that some ancient elf thought it would be a splendid idea to kill the literal pillars of the earth (what could go wrong??), and red lyrium was either the consequence of that or a tool they used to do it.
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Post by psychomegify on Dec 10, 2018 4:20:53 GMT
Something i haven't seen mentioned all too much is that there are three figures in the idol. Not just two like most people think. Found out this thanks to this tumblr post: link
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Post by NotN7 on Dec 10, 2018 5:08:08 GMT
Something i haven't seen mentioned all too much is that there are three figures in the idol. Not just two like most people think. Found out this thanks to this tumblr post: linkI read about that in a twiter post, not the 3rd figure but the missing left arm so the speculation is that the Iquiz. was prophesies in the Idol (shrug) he did drink from the well if you went that route lol its just guess work time will tell
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 10, 2018 5:31:47 GMT
Something i haven't seen mentioned all too much is that there are three figures in the idol. Not just two like most people think. Found out this thanks to this tumblr post: linkI read about that in a twiter post, not the 3rd figure but the missing left arm so the speculation is that the Iquiz. was prophesies in the Idol (shrug) he did drink from the well if you went that route lol its just guess work time will tell Interesting idea. Further evidence the Inquisitor might return as protagonist?
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Post by Sifr on Dec 10, 2018 8:57:39 GMT
Reasons for it to be Andruil: associations with the Void, associations with armor of the Void that spread sickness, possibility that she hunted titans, overall hunger for power. Regardless, it seems pretty likely that some ancient elf thought it would be a splendid idea to kill the literal pillars of the earth (what could go wrong??), and red lyrium was either the consequence of that or a tool they used to do it. Andruil seems a good candidate, as she's also said to have created "weapons of darkness".
If the "weapon" was the Blight and she managed to infect one or more of the Titans, that could explain the origins of Red Lyrium and reason how the Primeval Thaig ended up being corrupted. That would explain how Solas seems familiar with the Blight and so certain that it "cannot be outsmarted", because the Ancient Elves barely managed to contain it before.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 10, 2018 12:22:44 GMT
That would explain how Solas seems familiar with the Blight and so certain that it "cannot be outsmarted", because the Ancient Elves barely managed to contain it before. It is also possible that he was the one trying to outsmart it by raising the Veil, but it still found a way out. So his comment was from bitter personal experience. I still think it is more likely Mythal considering how similar the head is in appearance to Flemeth but the corruption could well have something to do with Andruil. The description of what Andruil did after her forays to the Void, definitely sound like she brought back the Blight and Mythal has her encounter with her at the "base of a mountain", which could be a poetic way of saying that it was in the Deep Roads. Andruil was hunting the Forgotten Ones in the Void and Dalish lore has them associated with disease and death, so symbolically speaking Andruil clearly found them. I also wonder about the description of her creating a spear that captured the "radiance of the stars". That sounds like Andruil created a spear of pure lyrium. Was it intended to use to kill Mythal? A lyrium spear thrust through draconic blood could well have transformed it into the first red lyrium.
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Post by azarhal on Dec 10, 2018 14:50:22 GMT
I also wonder about the description of her creating a spear that captured the "radiance of the stars". That sounds like Andruil created a spear of pure lyrium. Was it intended to use to kill Mythal? A lyrium spear thrust through draconic blood could well have transformed it into the first red lyrium. Going by Cole banter in DAI, there are stars missing in the sky. I don't think it was a metaphor for lyrium... Also, the spear goes with the a storm (the poem is split into two, the storm part is the description for the item Andruil's gift): "She shook the radiance of the stars, divided them into grains of light, then stored them in a shaft of gold. Andruil, blood and force, save us from the time this weapon is thrown. Your people pray to You. Spare us the moment we become Your sacrifice.
She took the gathering storm, trapped its fury in golden limbs, and strung it with the screams of the south wind. Andruil, blood and force, your people pray to you. Grant that your eye may not fall upon us. Spare us the moment we become Your prey."
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Post by wickedcool on Dec 10, 2018 15:31:56 GMT
If we assume this is Andruil is it possible she’s partially responsible for the magister such as Cory and the architect
It feels like all these things are tied together
Any chance she’s the singer of the darkspawn song that leads them to arch demons but she’s only able to sing as she’s trapped beyond
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Post by ellehaym on Dec 10, 2018 17:17:01 GMT
I am reminded of the Whispers in the Red Lyrium dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Note:_Whispers_Written_in_Red_LyriumIt makes me wonder if the figures in the Idol are the ones whispering? Since Elves mined titans for Lyrium and they must have known that sooner or later that Titans would run out. So maybe experimented for a "renewable" energy source and they eventually came up with Red Lyrium. Red Lyrium can easily be grown and farmed by using any living things and is somewhat easier to handle in that you don't need dwarves to mine. It also has the power of Taint for additional power boost. To power-hungry elves it might've been the next best thing on paper. They no longer have to rely on whoever controls the Lyrium mines because now they can grow red lyrium using their slaves. Like what Solas said "you can't outsmart the blight" and many became corrupted. It might explain why so many figures in Elvhen Murals have those red marks on them. That might be red lyrium growth? Imshael seems to be familiar with Red Lyrium dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_Suledin_Keep_DocumentsIt seems like he was tasked with the growth and harvesting of Red Lyrium and is very familiar with it.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 10, 2018 18:55:22 GMT
She took the gathering storm, trapped its fury in golden limbs, and strung it with the screams of the south wind. Andruil, blood and force, your people pray to you. Grant that your eye may not fall upon us. Spare us the moment we become Your prey." Whilst the two verses are related in form, they are about different items. The gathering storm was trapped in a bow. "She shook the radiance of the stars, divided them into grains of light, then stored them in a shaft of gold. Andruil, blood and force, save us from the time this weapon is thrown. Your people pray to You. Spare us the moment we become Your sacrifice. This one is definitely about a spear. The poem about Sylaise references this: "Sylaise, whose breath rivals Andruil's spear."
Regardless of Cole's comments, it seems more likely the radiance of the stars is lyrium. When Elgar'nan fought the Sun, blood from the latter was scattered across the sky, forming the stars. Whilst we think of the Sun as the Maker, in the context of the Dalish legend I believe it refers to the Titan that Elgar'nan brought low for destroying the works of the elves:
Elgar'nan, Wrath and Thunder, Give us glory. Give us victory, over the Earth that shakes our cities. Strike the usurpers with your lightning. Burn the ground under your gaze. Bring Winged Death against those who throw down our work. Elgar'nan, help us tame the land.
This would be why the nursery rhyme we read in the Deep Roads says about the dwarves Mythal liberated from the Titan. "Never yours the sun, forever, forever."
In any case, even if the Sun was the Maker, and the story symbolic of Elgar'nan usurping his authority in the world, the Chantry also teach that lyrium is the essence of all creation and its song is the voice of the Maker.
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