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Post by cankiie on Jan 3, 2019 19:43:01 GMT
Just make the straight woman hot, bioware  You said it yourself, beauty is subjective, so what BW thinks is hot might not align with yours lol. So probably should be more specific! Whilst beauty is indeed quite subjective. I believe there is also a point where most can agree that a certain person is indeed hot or not  This is more true when applied to women rather than men though. I put the character Triss and Yennefer from the Witcher series up as suggestions at some point, we are hitting a about 87% agreement here, that is probably underestimating those numbers though. That is disregarding their past before magic training, obviously, no need to say that their current looks is a result of magic  |
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Post by caladrius on Jan 3, 2019 19:43:48 GMT
Ginger dwarf bear has to have at least one request, am I right?  I show up every game release to haunt the romance discussion with twink requests, but honestly my genuine request is always just that we get one quality, plot relevant m/m option from the companion pool. There were things I did and didn't like about Dorian, but I think he filled that well. Anders was the most plot intensive character we've had as an m/m romance at launch, which made him really special to me. Jaal really is equivalent, but it was hard to swallow all the drama that lead up to him finally being added. As much as I thought Reyes was perfect for me in concept (even though he's not a twink at all lol) and I know you loved Gil, it's always disappointing to me when our choices are shoved off on under developed side characters. Joking requests aside, I'll always take a well written romance with a narratively important character over a skippable NPC that happens to appeal more to my specific aesthetic taste. Hopefully we'll get a few good options and at least a couple demographics will get their specific request, but at least we can hope it's not more side characters while the mains default back to safely straight. And some people wonder why I find the whole "plot relevant love interest" concept to be weird. Because in the scope of things... all of them are equally irrelevant to the overall plot. Some may show up in the beginning to help push the story along, but then... you don't have to talk or look at them ever again. This is true for many of the characters introduced in DA. Alistair is probably the only exception, with him being relevant to Loghain, the entire kingdom of Ferelden, having to give some grandeur speech when saving Denerim and of course... him also being a grey warden and we kinda had to deal with a blight. You don't really have to care about the added content individual characters contribute to the games, but for me it's more enjoyable when the romance is heavily integrated into the entire length of the game and the relationship you build with them has more meat to it. It does matter to me that it could be possible to see them again and again in the series with updates on the relationship with past PCs. The only Origins romance that has not had a major recurring role in the series was the only romance available to m/m players. In Andromeda, one of the only two NPC romances for m/m at release was only available to interact with for one quest line on one planet. Where as at least advisers got commentary after each major quest, Reyes didn't get to comment that you died at one point, or show up for movie night, or any of the other developmental moments that gave the romance narrative gravity. This doesn't have to matter to everyone, but it makes a big difference to how much I enjoy the games, and if it's really not a big deal then maybe someone besides m/m players can get these romances for a change. |
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 3, 2019 19:46:20 GMT
You said it yourself, beauty is subjective, so what BW thinks is hot might not align with yours lol. So probably should be more specific! Whilst beauty is indeed quite subjective. I believe there is also a point where most can agree that a certain person is indeed hot or not This is more true when applied to women rather than men though. I put the character Triss and Yennefer from the Witcher series up as suggestions at some point, we are hitting a about 87% agreement here, that is probably underestimating those numbers though. That is disregarding their past before magic training, obviously, no need to say that their current looks is a result of magic But, you know, is it long hair that makes a woman attractive? Or is it the right skull shape? Or both? |
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Post by phoray on Jan 3, 2019 19:48:25 GMT
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Didn't Miranda give the Triss/Yenn types of women fans what they wanted? Oh and the Dies at Virmire chick. Other Than Liara not having hair, she is what guys stereotypically like. Cora has short hair which is the only thing that guys don't stereoptypically like, and then there were Asari all over the place. So it's not like you haven't been catered to inside of an entire series from Bioware?
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Post by cankiie on Jan 3, 2019 19:48:42 GMT
And some people wonder why I find the whole "plot relevant love interest" concept to be weird. Because in the scope of things... all of them are equally irrelevant to the overall plot. Some may show up in the beginning to help push the story along, but then... you don't have to talk or look at them ever again. This is true for many of the characters introduced in DA. Alistair is probably the only exception, with him being relevant to Loghain, the entire kingdom of Ferelden, having to give some grandeur speech when saving Denerim and of course... him also being a grey warden and we kinda had to deal with a blight. You don't really have to care about the added content individual characters contribute to the games, but for me it's more enjoyable when the romance is heavily integrated into the entire length of the game and the relationship you build with them has more meat to it. It does matter to me that it could be possible to see them again and again in the series with updates on the relationship with past PCs. The only Origins romance that has not had a major recurring role in the series was the only romance available to m/m players. In Andromeda, one of the only two NPC romances for m/m was only available to interact with for one quest line on one planet. Where as at least advisers got commentary after each major quest, Reyes didn't get to comment that you died at one point, or show up for movie night, or any of the other developmental moments that gave the romance narrative gravity. This doesn't have to matter to everyone, but it makes a big difference to how much I enjoy the games, and if it's really not a big deal then maybe someone besides m/m players can get these romances for a change. They did get Cassandra in Inquisition and Morrigan in Origins  And both got Josephine in Inquisition who just stood around a wartable when you decided it and offered a sentence or two ocassionally. Granted, in Origins we had that witch hunt dlc which revovled all around Morrigan  |
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Post by Catilina on Jan 3, 2019 19:51:13 GMT
This woman was a sex-symbol Look at her cheekbones. The beauty standard is different. |
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Post by cankiie on Jan 3, 2019 19:56:09 GMT
But, you know, is it long hair that makes a woman attractive? Or is it the right skull shape? Or both? I know that Triss and Yennefer are near universally liked. Of course this is not necessarily because of looks alone and overall character too, but Didn't Miranda give the Triss/Yenn types of women fans what they wanted? Oh and the Dies at Virmire chick. Other Than Liara not having hair, she is what guys stereotypically like. Cora has short hair which is the only thing that guys don't stereoptypically like, and then there were Asari all over the place. So it's not like you haven't been catered to inside of an entire series from Bioware? Perhaps, it did seem Miranda was quite pleasing to the eye, yes. As for Cora, there have been complaints there... but Andromeda was complained about a lot. But considering the requests "catering" to someone like me atleast, is probably not the hardest. I don't really call for a specific type of character, could be villainous, amazonian like, moody, promiscuous, celibating, violent, insane, etc etc. making that character beautiful is also just a huge bonus  I do actually like Cassandra although I dislike how she looks, I still preferred Morrigan, Isabella and Merill though. Merill was just overall cute. |
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Post by Rouccoco on Jan 3, 2019 19:58:44 GMT
As much as I thought Reyes was perfect for me in concept (even though he's not a twink at all lol) and I know you loved Gil, it's always disappointing to me when our choices are shoved off on under developed side characters. Yeah, it's why I always go with Kaidan, even though I really like Steve. The difference in quantity of content and plot relevance is pretty steep here. I hope after the whole Jaal situation they'll remember to at least add a squad m/m LI... |
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Post by cankiie on Jan 3, 2019 19:59:47 GMT
Hmm, perhaps a less square face and it might be an improvement. Could also ruin the overall looks. And it just struck me.... the hair does A LOT to the looks as well. I wonder how she'd look with short hair... black short hair and she might remind me of Cassandra, to be honest. |
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 3, 2019 20:03:34 GMT
Hmm, perhaps a less square face and it might be an improvement. Could also ruin the overall looks. And it just struck me.... the hair does A LOT to the looks as well. I wonder how she'd look with short hair... black short hair and she might remind me of Cassandra, to be honest. So it is not just about having long hair then, but the shape of the face too. Well I don't really give a damn about what the straight female LI looks like, for me they could just make her look like the Sorceress from Dragon's Crown and I'd be like '' okay. '' But to appease the majority of male gamers hopefully they make her hot as shit so they don't have to complain about political correctness and SJWs, me thinks. I don't know if people can be lured to play the game just because of hot chicks though  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2019 20:05:31 GMT
You don't really have to care about the added content individual characters contribute to the games, but for me it's more enjoyable when the romance is heavily integrated into the entire length of the game and the relationship you build with them has more meat to it. It does matter to me that it could be possible to see them again and again in the series with updates on the relationship with past PCs. The only Origins romance that has not had a major recurring role in the series was the only romance available to m/m players. In Andromeda, one of the only two NPC romances for m/m at release was only available to interact with for one quest line on one planet. Where as at least advisers got commentary after each major quest, Reyes didn't get to comment that you died at one point, or show up for movie night, or any of the other developmental moments that gave the romance narrative gravity. This doesn't have to matter to everyone, but it makes a big difference to how much I enjoy the games, and if it's really not a big deal then maybe someone besides m/m players can get these romances for a change. Agreed 100%.
Alistair is one of the driving characters in the universe. He goes on to show up in DA:A, DA2, and DA:I, plus has a major comic role
Morrigan is another one of the driving characters in the universe. She has an entire DLC related to her and a major plot driving role in DA:I.
Leliana becomes one of the biggest plot relevant characters in the lore post DA:O, has her own "origins" style DLC for DA:O, shows up in DA2 and has a huge role in DA:I.
Wynne is a major character in one of the mandatory quest lines in DA:O, shows up in DA:A for a quest plus is a major character in one of the books.
Sten shows up in the comics and, with his new role as Arishok, is likely going to play a major role in DA4.
Oghren is a major character in one of the mandatory quest lines in DA:O and is a return companion in DA:A.
Shale is a major character in one of the books.
Dog is a return companion in a DLC for DA:O.
Zevran is a minor boss battle in DA:O and shows up for a quest in DA2.
If you compare the level of importance in the lore of the universe and the games for DA:O's LI's, you can see that both of the M/F options are hugely plot relevant. The only F/F option is hugely plot relevant (but after the DA:O game came out, noticeably as she's not at all plot relevant to DA:O specifically). And one of the F/M options is hugely plot relevant. The only M/M option is about as plot relevant as the dog and the DLC golem companion. It's not hard to see.
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Post by phoray on Jan 3, 2019 20:09:25 GMT
The DA4 Romance thread has once again devolved in who's been catered to the most and who's been catered to the least. (I participated) but all at once, I am bored.
It'd be cooler to talk about actual back stories of these potential romances than who they'll be willing to fuck.
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Post by cankiie on Jan 3, 2019 20:09:47 GMT
Hmm, perhaps a less square face and it might be an improvement. Could also ruin the overall looks. And it just struck me.... the hair does A LOT to the looks as well. I wonder how she'd look with short hair... black short hair and she might remind me of Cassandra, to be honest. So it is not just about having long hair then, but the shape of the face too. Well I don't really give a damn about what the straight female LI looks like, for me they could just make her look like the Sorceress from Dragon's Crown and I'd be like '' okay. '' But to appease the majority of male gamers hopefully they make her hot as shit so they don't have to complain about political correctness and SJWs, me thinks. I don't know if people can be lured to play the game just because of hot chicks though Probably not. Cries of PC and SJWs are not necessarily related to lack of hot chicks anyhow, me thinks. |
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Post by Mresa on Jan 3, 2019 20:14:59 GMT
It's clear that some people will be disappointed with what we get in DA4. Hopefully that doesn't lead them to wanting to burn the place down. And, also hopefully, it demonstrates to Bioware that they can take a risk with a "non-traditional" option or two. Oh there will definitely be people who will be disappointed with whats offered. Either they're not represented well enough or there is no one to their taste and there will definitely be rage. I also feel like Bioware has been taking plenty of risks, sure they've taken their time with it, should I say "testing the waters". Every game has had all sorts of, at least in my opinion non traditional options. People ought to give them more credit, they are trying more than most devs after all.
Oh if there's gonna be a dwarf romance, I want one that looks like Thorin from Hobbit. Damn the movie making an old dwarven guy look so damn hawt, he def wasn't described so in the books.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 3, 2019 20:15:11 GMT
I would like a gay ancient elf to come into the picture and completely destroy Solas and his foolish plans. I would like him to be no nonsense, NEVER becoming the protagonist's bestie, unless you romance him, then he opens up, but only to you. Is that too cheesy? Probably. Give him big armor too. All regal and shit.  |
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 3, 2019 20:16:53 GMT
So it is not just about having long hair then, but the shape of the face too. Well I don't really give a damn about what the straight female LI looks like, for me they could just make her look like the Sorceress from Dragon's Crown and I'd be like '' okay. '' But to appease the majority of male gamers hopefully they make her hot as shit so they don't have to complain about political correctness and SJWs, me thinks. I don't know if people can be lured to play the game just because of hot chicks though Probably not. Cries of PC and SJWs are not necessarily related to lack of hot chicks anyhow, me thinks. '' Ugly women '' has been a constant topic of discussion when it comes to people who complain about SJWisms in gaming. '' East does women right, western makes ugly goblins '' and whatnot. |
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Post by phoray on Jan 3, 2019 20:19:15 GMT
witchcocktorCan he be bi or does that ruin it? An ancient male elf from Solas' time that woke up just to bitch slap him down is my current dream for DA4 romance. One that didn't plan on ever waking up but Solas has just gotta be executed. So he plans to just disappear at the end unless you change his mind with LURVE
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Post by cankiie on Jan 3, 2019 20:25:11 GMT
Probably not. Cries of PC and SJWs are not necessarily related to lack of hot chicks anyhow, me thinks. '' Ugly women '' has been a constant topic of discussion when it comes to people who complain about SJWisms in gaming. '' East does women right, western makes ugly goblins '' and whatnot. Indeed. But for a whole perspective of SJW in gaming and the likes, you might prefer going to youtube and find some various channel discussing the thing there, rather than 4chan, or reddit or other memesites.... or even social media. Discussing it requires a little more nuance. People pay way too much attention to social media, when all of the good stuff is on youtube. Until youtube decides that these kinds of viewpoints are forbidden and deletes them from the platform forcing the creation of competition which will be way more succesful. |
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 3, 2019 20:25:21 GMT
witchcocktor Can he be bi or does that ruin it? An ancient male elf from Solas' time that woke up just to bitch slap him down is my current dream for DA4 romance. One that didn't plan on ever waking up but Solas has just gotta be executed. So he plans to just disappear at the end unless you change his mind with LURVE I would make that compromise, but I'm also personally hoping for a gay non-human male character. I just feel like humans are so safe and boring. In the entirety of ME and DA, there is only one non-human gay/lesbian character, and that's Sera. I think it's time to diversify the roster HONESTLY. If not a gay elf, then a gay human who is royalty but has none of the issues Dorian has, and at the end of the romance you become royalty by marrying him. I would just like to have that prince fantasy please.  |
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Post by cankiie on Jan 3, 2019 20:27:28 GMT
I would like a gay ancient elf to come into the picture and completely destroy Solas and his foolish plans. I would like him to be no nonsense, NEVER becoming the protagonist's bestie, unless you romance him, then he opens up, but only to you. Is that too cheesy? Probably. Give him big armor too. All regal and shit. Just imagine him being one of the evanuris who somehow from the fade approaches the new protagonist saying he have an idea how to take down Solas, and there will be some mental convo back and forth... somehow, even occassional scenes where the two meet in a dream-like state and the relationship builds up like that. He might even be powerful enough to send an avatar of himself (Which is obviously weaker to his actual self) to the world outside of the Fade to accompany the protagonist! |
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Post by phoray on Jan 3, 2019 20:31:05 GMT
If not a gay elf, then a gay human who is royalty but has none of the issues Dorian has, and at the end of the romance you become royalty by marrying him. I would just like to have that prince fantasy please. Like a Gay version of the Female Cousland/King Alistair thing? That'd be super neat, I'd roll a guy for another stab at that Fantasy I would make that compromise, Aww, but I don't want you to compromise. I guess I want to say I would drool all over your Armored Ancient Elf and be disappointed I couldn't be my natural gender so I could fantasy some future post game babies for them. I would think that if the theory of elves being originally spirits were correct, they all would have defaulted to bi/pan anyway but I suppose if we take Solas being gender/race gated as lore locked not just Budget Locked, I can't assume spirits have no sexual preferences. |
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 3, 2019 20:32:26 GMT
'' Ugly women '' has been a constant topic of discussion when it comes to people who complain about SJWisms in gaming. '' East does women right, western makes ugly goblins '' and whatnot. Indeed. But for a whole perspective of SJW in gaming and the likes, you might prefer going to youtube and find some various channel discussing the thing there, rather than 4chan, or reddit or other memesites.... or even social media. Discussing it requires a little more nuance. People pay way too much attention to social media, when all of the good stuff is on youtube. Until youtube decides that these kinds of viewpoints are forbidden and deletes them from the platform forcing the creation of competition which will be way more succesful. Youtube is terrible, what are you talking about lol, and is social media too. I'm not bothered by criticism towards SJWism in gaming, because some of it I agree with and there are several points to be made. But I also am not convinced that the majority who complain about '' SJWs '' aren't just ignorant pissbabies that don't want minority representation in their video game. I'm just not convinced. |
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Post by cankiie on Jan 3, 2019 20:36:39 GMT
Indeed. But for a whole perspective of SJW in gaming and the likes, you might prefer going to youtube and find some various channel discussing the thing there, rather than 4chan, or reddit or other memesites.... or even social media. Discussing it requires a little more nuance. People pay way too much attention to social media, when all of the good stuff is on youtube. Until youtube decides that these kinds of viewpoints are forbidden and deletes them from the platform forcing the creation of competition which will be way more succesful. Youtube is terrible, what are you talking about lol, and is social media too. I'm not bothered by criticism towards SJWism in gaming, because some of it I agree with and there are several points to be made. But I also am not convinced that the majority who complain about '' SJWs '' aren't just ignorant pissbabies that don't want minority representation in their video game. I'm just not convinced. Regardless, I don't think this kind of "political" talk is very much appreciated on the forums so we'll just halt here. |
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 3, 2019 20:39:02 GMT
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- not a werewolf (sorry, werewolf guys) but he’s a demon!
- gives fun and interesting gifts which should probably not be accepted or opened
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