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Post by cankiie on Jan 20, 2019 19:17:15 GMT
Well, Assassin's Creed have always had the story of a character being the descendant of some 'once upon a time' assassin. The character you played had to have a child at some point, regardless of your choice. Ubisoft still handled it poorly though, by supposedly suggesting the arrangement was actually romantically chosen rather than necessity. I am assuming the latter because I have not bought either the main game thus not the DLC either. No they didn't have to have a child. The Assassin's Creed series hasn't needed descendants for multiple games now, since in the lore the Animus was upgraded to just needing DNA from the person. In Odyssey's case, they got the DNA from the spear they excavated. And yes, no matter what your choices in the DLC your character still is lovey dovey towards Darius' kid and you have a child and live together, completely neglecting the promise they made before the game came out and especially towards people who are gay or on the Ace Spectrum. So they have removed that single piece of lore which could give them some kind of leeway in regards to this. Well, maybe they'd start removing their microtransactions again, then they would not have to so hastily try and draw in another group of players after their bigger playerbase decided to turn their backs on them because of the microtransactions. We'll see.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jan 20, 2019 19:27:52 GMT
Thedas is a fantasy world, there is zero fucking reason to screw gay characters like that. If you wanna do arranged marriage story dont do it with the only freaking gay character. And Dorian's story is about conversion therapy and pretty much a catharsis for Gaider and his personal story, I mean it's showing... Like stop sealioning is not working lol
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 20, 2019 19:32:26 GMT
Thedas is a fantasy world, there is zero fucking reason to screw gay characters like that. If you wanna do arranged marriage story dont do it with the only freaking gay character. And Dorian's story is about conversion therapy and pretty much a catharsis for Gaider and his personal story, I mean it's showing... Like stop sealioning is not working lol Wonder how many sealions I'm gonna block in this thread, it's new one every single day ... rollseyes I've never heard the term sealioning before. Learn something new everyday.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 19:42:04 GMT
Thedas is a fantasy world, there is zero fucking reason to screw gay characters like that. If you wanna do arranged marriage story dont do it with the only freaking gay character. And Dorian's story is about conversion therapy and pretty much a catharsis for Gaider and his personal story, I mean it's showing... Like stop sealioning is not working lol Wonder how many sealions I'm gonna block in this thread, it's new one every single day ... rollseyes Yep. People really don't even try to understand the issues with representation. They just want to argue. My block list is giant, and it will grow.
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Post by cankiie on Jan 20, 2019 19:56:02 GMT
Thedas is a fantasy world, there is zero fucking reason to screw gay characters like that. If you wanna do arranged marriage story dont do it with the only freaking gay character. And Dorian's story is about conversion therapy and pretty much a catharsis for Gaider and his personal story, I mean it's showing... Like stop sealioning is not working lol Wonder how many sealions I'm gonna block in this thread, it's new one every single day ... rollseyes Yep. People really don't even try to understand the issues with representation. They just want to argue. My block list is giant, and it will grow. It might be that the idea of representation through sexuality is a very strange concept to many. Yeah, sure. Many would claim that it is strange to straight people because movie stories, video games etc etc always had a, assumed by many, straight characters, or white characters, etc. I don't think it is that simple. I'd take Black Panther (the movie) as an example. T'challa's story is less about sexuality, and more about an heir taking over a nation. Thinking deeper about it, this is not about black representation, as an example, if you go deeper into the story, it is easily representative of the millennial generation. A group of people who have to take a world left rotten by their predecessors, and within this group of millennial there is infighting between two groups of different ideological ideas, who had different experiences throughout life. That is just one example and I have obviously not gone back in movies and began analysing every single one. But I believe the reason that representation based on sexuality is extreme weird to many, is not due to sexuality, but because people relate to other characteristics that are not at all related to sexuality or race. That is why many white people could like a character like Black Panther, or many black people could like a character like Luke Skywalker.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 20, 2019 20:01:24 GMT
Yep. People really don't even try to understand the issues with representation. They just want to argue. My block list is giant, and it will grow. It might be that the idea of representation through sexuality is a very strange concept to many. Yeah, sure. Many would claim that it is strange to straight people because movie stories, video games etc etc always had a, assumed by many, straight characters, or white characters, etc. I don't think it is that simple. I'd take Black Panther (the movie) as an example. T'challa's story is less about sexuality, and more about an heir taking over a nation. Thinking deeper about it, this is not about black representation, as an example, if you go deeper into the story, it is easily representative of the millennial generation. A group of people who have to take a world left rotten by their predecessors, and within this group of millennial there is infighting between two groups of different ideological ideas, who had different experiences throughout life. That is just one example and I have obviously not gone back in movies and began analysing every single one. But I believe the reason that representation based on sexuality is extreme weird to many, is not due to sexuality, but because people relate to other characteristics that are not at all related to sexuality or race. That is why many white people could like a character like Black Panther, or many black people could like a character like Luke Skywalker. So, if they made James Bond gay for the next movie, would people be fine with that? I mean, by your words, people relate to other characteristics that are not related to sexuality. You are skipping generations and generations. Right now we are trying to normalize LGBT people as part of popular media, so that in the future, people won't have to ask to be represented, they don't have to whine about the lack of x, y or z, and most importantly, people don't have to whine when there are gay characters and racial minorities in the media they enjoy and like to consume. Your thought process isn't universal, even if you'd like to think so.
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Post by cankiie on Jan 20, 2019 20:10:05 GMT
So, if they made James Bond gay for the next movie, would people be fine with that? I mean, by your words, people relate to other characteristics that are not related to sexuality. Maybe not agent 007, I mean, he is already an established character and if there is anything we should have learned by now, then it is that you do not change already established characters so drastically. Could probably do a new agent though, we might in fact need something fresh anyhow. You are skipping generations and generations. Right now we are trying to normalize LGBT people as part of popular media, so that in the future, people won't have to ask to be represented, they don't have to whine about the lack of x, y or z, and most importantly, people don't have to whine when there are gay characters and racial minorities in the media they enjoy and like to consume. Thing about this is though. You would need people who want to write and tell these stories. We have reached a point where it is a-okay to be gay, gay people in media is a-okay. I don't think many people whined about Curtis Holt in the Arrow series, as an example. There probably has been a few, but honestly, there will always be a few... always, that won't ever... ever... ever change unless you start to hardcore censor everything, which the vast majority is against. You are wrong, because we don't need to 'normalize' anything. What we need are people who want to write these stories, write new fresh stories not change established characters. We should not turn Superman black, as an example, we should not change his love for Lois Lane, comic people already flipped the table when it was assumed he was going to remain with Wonder Woman in the most recent animated movies. Your thought process isn't universal, even if you'd like to think so. I believe it is the most common, yes, not necessarily universal.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 20, 2019 20:20:43 GMT
We have reached a point where it is a-okay to be gay No we haven't. For example it is still legal in 31 of America's 50 states to discriminate based on sexual orientation. And that's one of the more progressive countries.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 20, 2019 20:22:33 GMT
So, if they made James Bond gay for the next movie, would people be fine with that? I mean, by your words, people relate to other characteristics that are not related to sexuality. Maybe not agent 007, I mean, he is already an established character and if there is anything we should have learned by now, then it is that you do not change already established characters so drastically. Could probably do a new agent though, we might in fact need something fresh anyhow. You are skipping generations and generations. Right now we are trying to normalize LGBT people as part of popular media, so that in the future, people won't have to ask to be represented, they don't have to whine about the lack of x, y or z, and most importantly, people don't have to whine when there are gay characters and racial minorities in the media they enjoy and like to consume. Thing about this is though. You would need people who want to write and tell these stories. We have reached a point where it is a-okay to be gay, gay people in media is a-okay. I don't think many people whined about Curtis Holt in the Arrow series, as an example. There probably has been a few, but honestly, there will always be a few... always, that won't ever... ever... ever change unless you start to hardcore censor everything, which the vast majority is against. You are wrong, because we don't need to 'normalize' anything. What we need are people who want to write these stories, write new fresh stories not change established characters. We should not turn Superman black, as an example, we should not change his love for Lois Lane, comic people already flipped the table when it was assumed he was going to remain with Wonder Woman in the most recent animated movies. Your thought process isn't universal, even if you'd like to think so. I believe it is the most common, yes, not necessarily universal. Ah, well I'm glad homophobia and ignorance has been completely abolished from the modern world!
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Post by Rouccoco on Jan 20, 2019 20:28:12 GMT
However, we are viewing it from our own modern perspective, whereas the people in Thedas would be viewing from their own cultural norms. I mean, of course we are. This is not some adaptation of a work written by an ancient Greek person meant for other ancient Greek people. This is a modern work of fiction, meant for a modern audience, where the author has to consider what that audience will think about, when experiencing the story. Thedas doesn't exist, their culture was made for us, the audience. You could make Dorian's story work, if he was straight, but the clear overtone in his case is conversion therapy. If that wasn't the intention, adding other examples of parents in Tevinter using blood magic to force their children into relationships before this quest, or Dorian being told by his father that he could have a male lover on the side, but the bloodline comes first, would have set the tone better. Depends on where and how you ask.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 20:28:33 GMT
While things have become more positive towards acceptance of all, we seem to be going backwards, then we'll go forward and then back again. Nothing is really moving in a positive direction that lasts. DA has never changed its positive progression though, and if it does, that will be a sad day for many.
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Post by cankiie on Jan 20, 2019 20:59:45 GMT
We have reached a point where it is a-okay to be gay No we haven't. For example it is still legal in 31 of America's 50 states to discriminate based on sexual orientation. And that's one of the more progressive countries. One of the most progressive countries America? They have been one of the least progressive since almost every single western country entered this new era. It is pretty much okay to be gay, that is the majority opinion. In terms of these 31 states though, they still need to catch up, indeed.
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Post by cankiie on Jan 20, 2019 21:06:24 GMT
Ah, well I'm glad homophobia and ignorance has been completely abolished from the modern world! How do you wish to completely eradicate homophobia? Would you also do it to stop people from stealing? From killing? From texting and driving? From drinking and driving? I am not sure if representation will help getting rid of a very few people in the western world being a bunch of dick-wats, as a matter of fact, I am 100% sure it will not. I don't see why homophobia or ignorance is in any way relevant.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 20, 2019 21:13:26 GMT
Ah, well I'm glad homophobia and ignorance has been completely abolished from the modern world! How do you wish to completely eradicate homophobia? Would you also do it to stop people from stealing? From killing? From texting and driving? From drinking and driving? I am not sure if representation will help getting rid of a very few people in the western world being a bunch of dick-wats, as a matter of fact, I am 100% sure it will not. I don't see why homophobia or ignorance is in any way relevant. So, the best if we accept these without doing anything, without saying a word? Because killers, thieves, homophobes, and hatred, ignorance will always exist? Because of this is the nature of the mankind?
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Post by cankiie on Jan 20, 2019 21:30:05 GMT
How do you wish to completely eradicate homophobia? Would you also do it to stop people from stealing? From killing? From texting and driving? From drinking and driving? I am not sure if representation will help getting rid of a very few people in the western world being a bunch of dick-wats, as a matter of fact, I am 100% sure it will not. I don't see why homophobia or ignorance is in any way relevant. So, the best if we accept these without doing anything, without saying a word? Because killers, thieves, homophobes, and hatred, ignorance will always exist? Because of this is the nature of the mankind? We might have to, I don't know. Most recent movies, stories and series in this day and age are about how good prevails and killing is bad, mmmkay, and all that kind of goody stuff, and they are generally well loved. But I don't see it stopping any of the bad stuff happening. We could of course give totalitarianism a try again
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 20, 2019 21:31:20 GMT
No we haven't. For example it is still legal in 31 of America's 50 states to discriminate based on sexual orientation. And that's one of the more progressive countries. One of the most progressive countries America? They have been one of the least progressive since almost every single western country entered this new era. It is pretty much okay to be gay, that is the majority opinion. In terms of these 31 states though, they still need to catch up, indeed. A majority isn’t really something to be proud of. Anything less than 100% is bizarre, and the only reason we don’t think it’s bizarre is because we remember a time when it was even lower. Imagine landing on an alien planet and discovering that even 10% of the population had some equally nonsensical taboo. Like, idk, maybe green hair is forbidden, and 10% of the population thinks naturally green-haired people should either shave completely or they deserve shame/death/eternal punishment. You wouldn’t think “ah, at least the majority are on the right track, how noble of them to be so tolerant!” you’d be thinking “...what the hell kind of mass hysteria seized that 10%??” And meanwhile, the green-haired people still have to navigate a world where 1 in 10 people they encounter could get weird about it. Vs. the folks without green hair who never have to worry about any of that shit. Obviously that’s an improvement from, say, 5 in 10 people, but it’s still a dramatically worse experience compared to 0 in 10.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jan 20, 2019 21:33:17 GMT
One of the most progressive countries America? They have been one of the least progressive since almost every single western country entered this new era. It is pretty much okay to be gay, that is the majority opinion. In terms of these 31 states though, they still need to catch up, indeed. A majority isn’t really something to be proud of. Anything less than 100% is bizarre, and the only reason we don’t think it’s bizarre is because we remember a time when it was even lower. Imagine landing on an alien planet and discovering that even 10% of the population had some equally nonsensical taboo. Like, idk, maybe green hair is forbidden, and 10% of the population thinks naturally green-haired people should either shave completely or they deserve shame/death/eternal punishment. You wouldn’t think “ah, at least the majority are on the right track, how noble of them to be so tolerant!” you’d be thinking “...what the hell kind of mass hysteria seized that 10%??” And meanwhile, the green-haired people still have to navigate a world where 1 in 10 people they encounter could get weird about it. Vs. the folks without green hair who never have to worry about any of that shit. Obviously that’s an improvement from, say, 5 in 10 people, but it’s still a dramatically worse experience compared to 0 in 10. But can I fuck these aliens?
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Post by cankiie on Jan 20, 2019 21:40:30 GMT
A majority isn’t really something to be proud of. Anything less than 100% is bizarre, and the only reason we don’t think it’s bizarre is because we remember a time when it was even lower. Imagine landing on an alien planet and discovering that even 10% of the population had some equally nonsensical taboo. Like, idk, maybe green hair is forbidden, and 10% of the population thinks naturally green-haired people should either shave completely or they deserve shame/death/eternal punishment. You wouldn’t think “ah, at least the majority are on the right track, how noble of them to be so tolerant!” you’d be thinking “...what the hell kind of mass hysteria seized that 10%??” And meanwhile, the green-haired people still have to navigate a world where 1 in 10 people they encounter could get weird about it. Vs. the folks without green hair who never have to worry about any of that shit. Obviously that’s an improvement from, say, 5 in 10 people, but it’s still a dramatically worse experience compared to 0 in 10. So the majority of western society is shaming LGTB people? Yeah, I do not buy that. But can I fuck these aliens? Only if they consent.
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 20, 2019 21:40:42 GMT
A majority isn’t really something to be proud of. Anything less than 100% is bizarre, and the only reason we don’t think it’s bizarre is because we remember a time when it was even lower. Imagine landing on an alien planet and discovering that even 10% of the population had some equally nonsensical taboo. Like, idk, maybe green hair is forbidden, and 10% of the population thinks naturally green-haired people should either shave completely or they deserve shame/death/eternal punishment. You wouldn’t think “ah, at least the majority are on the right track, how noble of them to be so tolerant!” you’d be thinking “...what the hell kind of mass hysteria seized that 10%??” And meanwhile, the green-haired people still have to navigate a world where 1 in 10 people they encounter could get weird about it. Vs. the folks without green hair who never have to worry about any of that shit. Obviously that’s an improvement from, say, 5 in 10 people, but it’s still a dramatically worse experience compared to 0 in 10. But can I fuck these aliens? Naturally, though do bear in mind that their idea of fucking is entwining their tentacle-like hair with the hair of 3 or 5 other participants.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 20, 2019 21:42:58 GMT
But can I fuck these aliens? Naturally, though do bear in mind that their idea of fucking is entwining their tentacle-like hair with the hair of 3 or 5 other participants.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 20, 2019 21:45:27 GMT
So, the best if we accept these without doing anything, without saying a word? Because killers, thieves, homophobes, and hatred, ignorance will always exist? Because of this is the nature of the mankind? We might have to, I don't know. Most recent movies, stories and series in this day and age are about how good prevails and killing is bad, mmmkay, and all that kind of goody stuff, and they are generally well loved. But I don't see it stopping any of the bad stuff happening. We could of course give totalitarianism a try again And how many percent of movies, stories and series about the good gay/lesbian hero saves people and live happily ever after in love with his/her lover – perhaps including they marry!?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 21:46:53 GMT
Guys if you feed trolls they are just going to get attached to you. Just saying.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jan 20, 2019 21:47:36 GMT
But can I fuck these aliens? Naturally, though do bear in mind that their idea of fucking is entwining their tentacle-like hair with the hair of 3 or 5 other participants. So like if Avatar had a gangbang.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jan 20, 2019 21:48:08 GMT
Guys if you feed trolls they are just going to get attached to you. Just saying. At least then SOMETHING would be attached to me. :sob:
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 21:50:22 GMT
Guys if you feed trolls they are just going to get attached to you. Just saying. At least then SOMETHING would be attached to me. :sob: I mean you could probably find some leeches. Ticks are also less annoying than trolls.
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