DA 4 Romances! New info for real this time!!! Zom-bangin'?

Actually I thought it was a role playing game where we are meant to immerse ourselves in the culture of the world they have created. That is quite different from reading a work of fiction where the author quite clearly uses a fantasy setting to explore real world issues. My character might well do or believe things in the context of Thedas that I would not entertain in real life.



This is where Dorian's story did seem to run contrary to what we had previously been told about the sex lives of Thedosians. The other writers on the team actually raised it in their discussion of the Dorian storyline with DG. It was resolved by the idea that it is okay to have a lover on the side but only if you are discrete about it and Dorian wasn't. However, it did seem to be implied in the actual game that Halward was homophobic. Now, don't get me wrong, I understand that many people did relate to that storyline strongly because of what they have experienced in real life but it was borderline inserting something into the game world that previously we had been told did not exist.

Not many.

But I'll chalk that one up to people just not wanting to write stories involving a gay/lesbian hero who saves people.

Perhaps they do not have any ideas of how to do so, perhaps they are afraid that doing so may just end up with them writing a presumed stereotypical gay person.

Or simply, as I said, perhaps they did not want to.

Not because of some malicious intent.

As much as people may hate the word 'normal' but I am using it in it's purest definition, not as a way to determine what is okay and not okay. Our society, our word is normally heterosexual. It should come as no surprise, that most who write stories, direct movies and what not, are heterosexual, it is just statistics, not hate. As a result of that, perhaps, they may not want to write a story involve a not-straight character. Some do, yes, some do not.

Funny thing. I clearly remember last time someone wanting to make a movie starring a trans protagonist, it was bashed. Funny thing, it was not bashed by straight people, not by white people, black people, muslim people, christian people.

But by LGTB people... because Scarlet Johansson was going to take the role of that trans protagonist, and not some trans actor.

Let that sink in for a moment.



Please don't do that

Opposing views are not 'trolling'

Not many? Not even a few.

Perhaps they don't have any idea how to writing? Why not just ask someone, who knows, if the don't know how? Or just write a hero, who happened to be LGBT... And just give them a romance... How this can be so hard?

And if they already wrote, let it to be... don't force them in heterosexual marriage, as "happy end"... because it's NOT. And it's a rude insult. 

Yikes


anyway where is my DA companion news at

Yes, but your RP character is not playing the game, you are. You can play a character that is used to that world, but you yourself will still get flashes of real life inspirations. People thought about gay conversion therapy, because the game copied the situation so closely and did too little to distinguish between those two. I have thought "mages/dalish remind me of minority group x" before, but nothing as strong and as clearly defined as Dorian's quest.

Judging by the second paragraph, we seem to be talking at cross purposes. I don't really want the issue of gay men being forced to have babies to be brought up in DA again, or any BW game*. Just saying that BW should have done more, if they didn't want Dorian's personal quest to seem so closely bound to gay issues. Again, yes, you could do Dorian's story with a straight character, but the tone would be very different.

*but I'm happy for the LGBT folks that did enjoy Dorian's quest and its real-life context

Erm, could you possibly clarify?   That's pretty broad. What is "real world stuff"?

Artemis

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"If one of my coworkers gets passed over for a promotion [due to being a minority, either sexually or appearance]..."

"People don't even try to understand the issues with representation. They just want to argue."

"Right now, we are trying to normalize LGBT people."

"It is still legal in 31 of America's 50 states to discriminate based on sexual orientation. And that's one of the more progressive countries."

"While things have become more positive towards acceptance of all, we seem to be going backwards, then we'll go forward and then back again. Nothing is really moving in a positive direction that lasts."

"How do you wish to completely eradicate homophobia?"

"A majority isn’t really something to be proud of. Anything less than 100% is bizarre, and the only reason we don’t think it’s bizarre is because we remember a time when it was even lower."

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Some of this, at a stretch, can barely tenuously relate to LGBTQA rep in Bioware media. Some of it, though, is 100% REAL WORLD issues that are against the rules. There is no homophobia in Thedas as it has been written. The state of Real World Societal MAlaise and inequality /=/ Dragon Age inequality and malaise. Most of these comments were not even attempting to discuss Dragon Age. Especially not the romances in it. And if left to it's own devices, will devolve into what used to be allowed on the now CLOSED politics thread.

There was no homophobia in Thedas til Gaider thought it was a brilliant idea to do a conversion therapy backstory for his character, that is a fact (without forgetting that stupid "its because I'm a man" line from Fenris romance). It's something this fictional world didnt need AT ALL. Like the tiny bit of racism in Vivienne story, what the fuck was that. Give me drama but not that kind of lazy ass drama. So glad Gaider is gone for good.

But I'll leave this here because I'm so tired I want to strip my eyes out lol

it was a banter Cole had with her about Marquis Alphonse.



it's not that in your face like Dorian's since it's a banter you can miss but pretty insulting to me, there was no need for that. I mean orlesians are pretty awful enough already lol no need to add racism in a fictional world, I'm not black but that line gets in my nerves, like why Bioware? DA was a fictional world without that kind of stuff, no need to insert real world shit to this way of escapism that affect a lot of players.

I mean... maybe it falls into that category of finding anything to pull at to make fun of? I was taunted based off my last name alone as a child in elementary school

Best case scenario.

Yeah, wanted to work that into my post about Dorian, but forgot to. Just like his story it seemed too sudden and immersion breaking. Like - "wait, Thedas discriminates based on skin colour too?" Her being a mage already put her at a disadvantage, they didn't really need to mix racism in :/

I hope they'll leave that alone. Just like I'm hoping that they keep the gay and bi male LIs away from Tevinter's bs. Make them outsiders, who don't even have to consider all that noise.