DA 4 Romances! New info for real this time!!! Zom-bangin'?

Yes.
We seek specific talents to accommodate our own fighting prowess, therefor we are singling out specific "classes" so to speak.
I honestly don't think we are going to do the same for sexuality if we are looking for people with specific fighting abilities.

I think that this is where the miscommunication happens here.  No one is expecting every single major character in DA4 to be bisexual.  We are just stating that having FOUR of them be bisexual as love interests wouldn't be "unrealistic".

In DA:O, there are 10 companions.  One is a dog and one is a golem.  Of the remaining 8 there are 5 characters who we can assume are straight (Alistair, Morrigan, Loghain, Wynne, and Oghren); 2 who are bisexual (Leliana and Zevran); and one that we have no clue about their sexuality (Sten).

In DA2, there are 9 companions.  4 are straight (Aveline, Varric, Sebastian, and Carver); 4 are bisexual (Fenris, Merrill, Isabela, and Anders); and one is unclear/unknown (Bethany -- maybe she's into girls or at least curious, but nothing is confirmed).

In DA:I, there are 9 companions and 3 advisors.  6 are straight (Cullen, Cassandra, Solas, Varric, Blackwall, and Vivienne); 3 are bisexual (Leliana, Bull, and Josephine); 2 are gay (Dorian and Sera); and 1 is a spirit (Cole, although if he becomes more human, he'll end up in a hetero relationship with no obvious interest in any men).  

So if we had around 10-12 companions/major allies in DA4, why would it be unrealistic for 4 of them to be bisexual?  Again, it wouldn't be my preference, but it doesn't seem at all unrealistic or even out of the norm given the past patterns of major characters in the other games.

Being a mage or not has been plot-relevant in DA games. Being bi or not has not. It is as I said: you can turn this into a story theme, then it's no longer implausible, but do you want to do that?

It may be between the lines. This conversation has happened before, long term posters are familiar with it. The "echoes of conversations past" leak into the present. So no one explicitly said All Bisexual is "not realistic", which Nickclark takes as Biphobia for some reason, has been said in prior conversations. Which aren't this one. But I'm just as guilty of the "echoes" in my responses.



no... because playersexual essentially has all the writing pretend they're straight and have always been straight OR gay and have always been gay. Pansexual is "gender doesn't matter, mind does" so they'd technically have sex (or an approximation) with a genderless octopus alien if they were well spoken. (I mean, I could elaborate on, but I think we get my intent with this example).

Playsexual is just a weird place, especially in characters that have back stories with romantic relationships, which is going to be most people. Sexual preference is a Fact about someone, it shouldn't reflect player preference. They should be Het, Bi, Pan, Ace, or Homo and indicate where they stand on the matter, because that is who they are.

let's take it to the absurd for example. "I have blue eyes with you, but with her I have brown eyes."
That's weird.

By the time any of the characters have sex with Hawke, they've known them for years. Literally been neighbors, going out on jobs, drinking at the Tavern. Considering how promiscuous Isabella is presented as, she must have had Feelz to begin with to keep her from jumping Hawke as long as she did (I'm mean no slut shaming by this comment, please don't take it as such.)

My point is, Merril has known Hawke for years in the same situation. She didn't just meet Hawke and have a one night stand. And she ABSOLUTELY means love when she has sex with you (even if she didn't tell you beforehand). Living together has no bearing, you can love each other and live apart. The one night stand only happens if you tell her that you don't love her back. And then she runs crying from the mansion because sex meant love to her and the fact that you had sex with her and it wasn't love for you is pretty crushing on top of the feelings not being reciprocated.

Merril's romance is so problematic

And of course one could argue that the case could very well b the same for someone who is NOT a demisexual.

This is why I am overall a little skeptical about sexualities outside of

Heterosexual
Bisexual
Homosexual

Because you could pretty much apply the exact same situations to all three sexualities, we just have more sexualities to describe the same thing but with more flair... basically.

The only fourth sexuality that truly stands out is

Asexuality.

But again, this is kinda what I feared I might do, hijacking the romance thread with sexuality discussion, so I consider this as having said my piece 

I'm here to say that Morrigan looks more manly than Cassandra.

I would agree had they kept Cassandra's more oval head-shape from DA2, and improved upon that.

Instead of giving her the far more butch look.

I thought she was reasonably physically attractive. Just a horrific person.

^^ plus I like the homo rep. Well, Sera's rep of it anyway, Dorian's is a bit problematic although I recognize a lot of actually homo people found him to be stellar and rep of them as well.

*reads the conversation in the last page or so*

I mean...here we are 10 or so supersoldiers surviving deadly encounter after another and yet people start feeling the need to impose realistic proportions of representation when it comes to sexual orientation?

Goes to show how arbitrary this all is :rofl:

Anyway, I'd prefer if there are at least two options for M/F, F/M, M/M, and F/F (bisexual or not ... just no Zevran redux please...) and at least one of each to be a human. 

After that, I don't really care and I doubt most would too.

Frankly I'm more concerned about the depth of those romances as opposed to how many there are.