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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 1:24:33 GMT
One thing I'm hoping for with regard to DA4 romances: I hope I don't get stuck with an NPC romance. Can't speak for anyone else, as I know some people like them - the feeling that after adventuring, you can come home to this LI who's separate from all that - but I think it suuuccks and I want my LI in my party kicking butt with me as much as possible. I like seeing them there, I like hearing their comments on locations/quests, I like hearing their battlecries and watching them in action. I'd be hugely disappointed if the character I had my eye on turned out to be an NPC romance. I agree so much! After Andromeda, I think BioWare should have learned that team romances are extremely important, yes some like the npc romances but everyone should have a squad option regardless of gender and gender preference. I would say 2 team romances even. Since there is very little chance that everyone will like the same exact guy/girl.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jan 13, 2019 1:30:25 GMT
companions/squadmates or bust! even if there is no much content (see FO4) I like to headcanon and take my lover with me to the missions!
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 13, 2019 1:51:23 GMT
I'm a romantic and would really love to have the option to marry my lover. The only time this ever came up EVER with a LI was with Bull, as you say, and I think (OF COURSE) he makes a fucking joke of it. Because the whole damn romance is one big joke by the devs. /rage Sorry xD I love him, too, Bullmancers. I just get angry. But yeah. Would be nice. To this day I'm pissed how Trespasser completely shat on the Iron Bull romance, ugh. Iron Bull is not just a humorous raunchy guy with no romantic or sensitive side, it was pretty clear it exist in during vanilla DA:I. It was extremely clear. So I just have to ask did the writer not get that memo? Idk. Either way it would have been REALLY sweet if a tal-vashoth Bull would get sensitive and romantic about the Inquisitor asking him to marry him, showing that he has broken some shackles he had to the Qun and his previous culture, and starting to embrace parts our culture, then showing us getting married. Then you could leave qun Bull as this dismissive guy who will betray you in the end so he'll humor your marriage request for now, showing that yeap, he is all qunari alright. BUT I GUESS THAT WAS TOO HARD Eh, in fairness to Bull, psychologically breaking out of a religion that’s that intense takes a long-ass time. More than a decade, from the looks of it. :/ The habits are so deep that it’s hard to untangle which part is you and which part is the stuff you supposedly got rid of. “Am I being judgmental because this person is actually making an ass of themselves, or is this leftover god stuff?” “Did I have a panic attack for a legit reason I should pay attention to, or is this just residual anxiety about sinning?” “Is it right to be extremely accommodating and self-sacrificing right now, or is this a reflex left over from when I thought heaven existed?” Honestly it’s surprising he’s not more all over the place. A big part of his identity and community got cut out, and he has to sort of rebuild his whole worldview around that gap. It’s like a second adolescence, except you have to do all that stuff while looking like an adult and having adult responsibilities, so it’s... a lot.
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Post by Artemis on Jan 13, 2019 2:19:26 GMT
To this day I'm pissed how Trespasser completely shat on the Iron Bull romance, ugh. Iron Bull is not just a humorous raunchy guy with no romantic or sensitive side, it was pretty clear it exist in during vanilla DA:I. It was extremely clear. So I just have to ask did the writer not get that memo? Idk. Either way it would have been REALLY sweet if a tal-vashoth Bull would get sensitive and romantic about the Inquisitor asking him to marry him, showing that he has broken some shackles he had to the Qun and his previous culture, and starting to embrace parts our culture, then showing us getting married. Then you could leave qun Bull as this dismissive guy who will betray you in the end so he'll humor your marriage request for now, showing that yeap, he is all qunari alright. BUT I GUESS THAT WAS TOO HARD Eh, in fairness to Bull, psychologically breaking out of a religion that’s that intense takes a long-ass time. More than a decade, from the looks of it. :/ The habits are so deep that it’s hard to untangle which part is you and which part is the stuff you supposedly got rid of. “Am I being judgmental because this person is actually making an ass of themselves, or is this leftover god stuff?” “Did I have a panic attack for a legit reason I should pay attention to, or is this just residual anxiety about sinning?” “Is it right to be extremely accommodating and self-sacrificing right now, or is this a reflex left over from when I thought heaven existed?” Honestly it’s surprising he’s not more all over the place. A big part of his identity and community got cut out, and he has to sort of rebuild his whole worldview around that gap. It’s like a second adolescence, except you have to do all that stuff while looking like an adult and having adult responsibilities, so it’s... a lot. True, it just sucks that you have no truly romantic options if you play a mlm character in DAI.
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Post by TabithaTH on Jan 13, 2019 14:25:59 GMT
I agree in regards to the Josephine romance. She has such a Disney story that it baffles me that her writer though she'd not want to marry.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 13, 2019 15:05:18 GMT
I agree in regards to the Josephine romance. She has such a Disney story that it baffles me that her writer though she'd not want to marry. It’s not that she doesn’t want to marry, but the writer said that she would want it to be a thing where her family was there rather than elope like Cullen and Sera. Which I get that argument, but I wish we could have at least proposed or something.
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Post by TabithaTH on Jan 13, 2019 15:11:53 GMT
I agree in regards to the Josephine romance. She has such a Disney story that it baffles me that her writer though she'd not want to marry. It’s not that she doesn’t want to marry, but the writer said that she would want it to be a thing where her family was there rather than elope like Cullen and Sera. Which I get that argument, but I wish we could have at least proposed or something. That makes more sense. But yeah, if we know that she'd be into marriage, I also see no reason for us to not have the opportunity to propose and then have a wedding mentioned in the epilogue.
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Post by melbella on Jan 14, 2019 1:50:19 GMT
One thing I'm hoping for with regard to DA4 romances: I hope I don't get stuck with an NPC romance. Can't speak for anyone else, as I know some people like them - the feeling that after adventuring, you can come home to this LI who's separate from all that - but I think it suuuccks and I want my LI in my party kicking butt with me as much as possible. I like seeing them there, I like hearing their comments on locations/quests, I like hearing their battlecries and watching them in action. I'd be hugely disappointed if the character I had my eye on turned out to be an NPC romance. Although Cullen is one of my favorite romances (and, in my opinion, with enough cutscenes to minimize the fact that he is an NPC) i also prefer a companion romance instead of an NPC. I always like to take the companion LI for all the quests, not only for all the banter/comments but for that feeling that they are fighting together and looking after each other. For me it makes for a more compelling love story.
The biggest plus for me with non-companion romances is that I have more choice for my combat party. I can pick who's best for the mission instead of LI and who-goes-well-with-LI. Since companions weren't clickable in the field, and banter was hit or miss, I don't feel like I really got much extra in the way of content by bringing my LI everywhere in DAI, at least in the vanilla game. It seemed to make more of a difference in the DLCs.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 14, 2019 2:51:04 GMT
Although Cullen is one of my favorite romances (and, in my opinion, with enough cutscenes to minimize the fact that he is an NPC) i also prefer a companion romance instead of an NPC. I always like to take the companion LI for all the quests, not only for all the banter/comments but for that feeling that they are fighting together and looking after each other. For me it makes for a more compelling love story.
The biggest plus for me with non-companion romances is that I have more choice for my combat party. I can pick who's best for the mission instead of LI and who-goes-well-with-LI. Since companions weren't clickable in the field, and banter was hit or miss, I don't feel like I really got much extra in the way of content by bringing my LI everywhere in DAI, at least in the vanilla game. It seemed to make more of a difference in the DLCs.
Huh. Do you mean "who-goes-well-with-LI" as in who they get along with, or who makes for an interesting combination? I find half the fun is in taking companions along who drag each other in party banter. Good times with Sera and Vivienne, Fenris and Anders, Morrigan and almost everyone... (Of course, I also like banter that's just insightful, or when the entire party are best buddies. But I also like to hear their conflicts and the different arguments they have about religion and magic and whether Hard In Hightown should be used as toilet paper.)
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Post by melbella on Jan 14, 2019 3:19:33 GMT
Do you mean "who-goes-well-with-LI" as in who they get along with, or who makes for an interesting combination? That's part of it (who does LI get along with or not, whose banter can I stand with him/her involved?) but also ability-wise. I was a warrior romancing Blackwall and that was a bad combo. I don't usually bring two warriors ever. My preferred party is 2 mages, 1 rogue, 1 warrior.
If I'm romancing a non-companion, I still have the who-gets-along-with-whom issue, but my choices aren't as limited.
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Post by TabithaTH on Jan 14, 2019 7:36:09 GMT
Do you mean "who-goes-well-with-LI" as in who they get along with, or who makes for an interesting combination? That's part of it (who does LI get along with or not, whose banter can I stand with him/her involved?) but also ability-wise. I was a warrior romancing Blackwall and that was a bad combo. I don't usually bring two warriors ever. My preferred party is 2 mages, 1 rogue, 1 warrior.
If I'm romancing a non-companion, I still have the who-gets-along-with-whom issue, but my choices aren't as limited.
Tell me about it . First PT ever of DAO I though I'd make it easy for myself and play as a shield based warrior, because I suck at these games, so better be as defensive as possible, right? Then I discovered romances and Alistair... Yeah, not fun at all, at least until I got Wynne, then things got easier. Of course I assumed it was my skill level that was the main problem. Just finished first PT with a rogue, SO much easier even if I had a very limited pool of people to chose from (seeing as how I either didn't recruit people or killed them and gave Morrigan up to the Templars). Ended up with just Zevran, Alistair/Loghain, Dog and Oghren to choose from.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jan 14, 2019 12:56:32 GMT
I think non-companion romances can work out, though they're obviously not ideal. Reyes was basically the best part of Andromeda, despite being limited to the one planet, and having a very tenuous connection to the main plot. The Reyes plot/romance felt full and complete enough that it could have stood almost entirely on its own as a separate story.
But I never romanced anyone else in MEA, so I have no idea how the party romance compare.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 15:54:52 GMT
The thing with Reyes is-it feels like you only truly start the romance by the time it's just over. You never get to really even have a confession of deeper feelings-or a proper romance scene. Dancing is nice, but it all feels like they are still on that first or second date-and it's over. No more content.
With Jaal you slowly develop a relationship from the moment you meet him-and by the end you know where you stand and you've had quite the romance-that lake scene is going to be hard to beat! I adore how emotionally open Jaal is, and that he both says how he feels and shows it too! I hope it was well received enough that BioWare will not continue on with the notion that gay men want less romance. (or whatever dubious reason they keep thinking that should be the case)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 17:39:12 GMT
I'm a bit torn on the NPC romance thing. In theory, I'm not opposed to it at all. If they are a well fleshed out character with a strong story, then it should be all good. Yes, it's nice to have a companion romance who you can bring with you since that means that you will just have more interactions with them (through banter and reactions to plot/quests/missions), but obviously, it gets narratively restrictive to limit LI's to only companions.
My issue is in practice. The NPC romances aren't very strong. Kelly, Steve, Traynor, Cullen, Josephine, Suvi, Gil, Reyes, Avela, Keri. They all have much less content when compared (on average) with the companion romances (Cullen might be the notable exception here). They are clearly the "second-tier" romances. Whether that is intentional or not....that's another question. My gut is that these secondary support characters just get less of the "pie" (resources allocated to writing/animation/etc.), so all aspects of them (including romance narrative) are smaller. They also mostly have CC created or generic faces too.
The other issue that I have with them is that they are not equitably distributed across the player base. Look at the list above -- there is literally only one straight male and one straight female in that list. The rest are all LGBT characters. Again, is that intentional? I don't think so (well, maybe it was in ME:A), but it does show another way in which LGBT players don't get access to the same types of content here if they want to enjoy those stories.
Ultimately, I don't mind them including NPC romances (in fact, I think they probably should as it opens up more variety in the types of romance narratives that they can include). But, if they do, they need to spend more resources to make them comparable to the companion romances and, either way, they need to do a better job of distributing them more fairly across the playerbase. There have only been THREE gay/lesbian companions in any Bioware games: Juhani, Dorian, and Sera. That's dumb. They should do better with this. I WANT to see gay guys kicking ass -- not shoved into a shuttlebay to work on the shuttles/engine.
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Post by Walter Black on Jan 14, 2019 17:48:46 GMT
-Some more mutants; I don't know if Marvel has finally allowed them to grow up, but if not, I would be interested in adult versions of Illyana Rasputin, Danielle Moonstar, and Doug Ramsey. -as for more Bioware reincarnations, I would like Fake Solas 2.0; a self taught apostate who really was just a self taught apostate . Oh, and a Bethany 2.0 that we weren't related to . I'm fascinated about your interest in Bethany 2.0. I just did my first complete non-mage playthrough of DA2 a few weeks ago and I was shocked at how bland and vanilla and uninteresting Bethany was compared to Carver. In addition to it just making more narrative sense to me that Hawke is an apostate, it just sealed the deal for me when I saw how little Bethany brought to the story compared to Carver. He's so much more well developed and interesting and unique of a character in the setting. She's just kind of.....there.
What do you like about her, out of curiosity? Maybe I'm missing something because she was basically about as interesting as Leandra (re: not at all) and relevant as Gamlen (re: almost not at all).
For me, what makes Bethany stand out is that she's a commoner who likes being a commoner. When the need arises, Bethany can be a competent adventurer/treasure hunter/revolutionary, albeit reluctantly. Pretty much every other Love Interest is involved in the affairs of lords and legends, whether from their own ambitions or the hand of fate. If it weren't for her magic and family, Bethany would have no ties to Fortune and Glory seeking/ Oaths of Vengeance/Revolutions or Grand Quests. Even the LIs who have no major ambitions still want to go adventuring forever, whereas Bethany is perfectly happy to live a simple life in the country. As much as I like all the other characters, that kind of relaxed humility would be a nice change of pace.
I can see why on the surface most would consider Bethany flat, and it's a fair argument. I just think Sunshine does have plenty of flaws, only that they're a bit more subtle than most in Dragon Age 2; guilt over lost loved ones and the sacrifices they've made for her, that she actually likes the Circle (for the most part), passive aggressive jealousy over Hawke's prominence, and indecisiveness, among others. So Bethany does have her petty resentments, you just have to look a little harder.
Likewise, too many people write off Carver as being just a jerk because of how he affects them, without bothering to consider his perspective. All his life, Carver was expected to sacrifice everything for the family with nothing in return, stuck in a no-win situation. If he stays loyal to his family, he breaks the law and cannot form honest friendships or romances. Keeping Malcolm, Bethany, and possibly Hawke hidden wasn't just about apostasy, but whatever other fraud and petty crime they had to commit to continue it. Not just that, but Bethany and possibly Hawke's magic meant that by nature, Malcolm would always have less time for him. If he wants be loyal to his country and faith, he betrays his family. Now, as outside observers in the real world we can say he should've just grinned and bared it. But as a nerd in a family of jocks, I can relate .
On a side note, I always hated how arbitrary the sibling's death was, chalking it up game balance. Gameplay and Story Segregation aside, I feel such balance would have been unnecessary if the classes had kept Origins' versatility, as opposed to how rigid they were made in DA2. From a dramatic standpoint, it would have made more sense if their death was the result of player choice, as in who fights up front and who protects Leandra. Bethany could have still been jealous of Mage Hawke getting opportunities she never did, whereas Carver... would still be Carver .
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 14, 2019 17:51:49 GMT
My issue is in practice. The NPC romances aren't very strong. Kelly, Steve, Traynor, Cullen, Josephine, Suvi, Gil, Reyes, Avela, Keri. They all have much less content when compared (on average) with the companion romances (Cullen might be the notable exception here). They are clearly the "second-tier" romances. Whether that is intentional or not....that's another question. My gut is that these secondary support characters just get less of the "pie" (resources allocated to writing/animation/etc.), so all aspects of them (including romance narrative) are smaller. They also mostly have CC created or generic faces too. Three of my top 5 Bioware romances are on that list including the top one and two. Also disagree about Josephine getting less content. If you look up the romance videos, timestamp-wise she is on par with the companions. Heck she was the poster romance of the game. Yes the Mass Effect team this statement may apply to but the Dragon Age team has it equal. I do agree with the part where it needs to be more evenly divided amongst orientations though.
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Post by Walter Black on Jan 14, 2019 18:08:24 GMT
Another romantic trope I hope DA4 subverts? The Betty and Veronica. The "nice" girl being more sweet, slow and romantic, and the "bad" girl is more kinky and promiscuous. This doesn't just relate to women, as in Origins Alistair was the Betty and Zevran the Veronica. Just once I'd like to see quieter and seemingly more moral Love Interest be into free love, and the crude and bawdy one turn out to be a virgin.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 18:11:18 GMT
Three of my top 5 Bioware romances are on that list including the top one and two. Also disagree about Josephine getting less content. If you look up the romance videos, timestamp-wise she is on par with the companions. Heck she was the poster romance of the game. Yes the Mass Effect team this statement may apply to but the Dragon Age team has it equal. I do agree with the part where it needs to be more evenly divided amongst orientations though. That's why I said "on average". If you "time stamp" the romances for the companions and compare it to the NPCs, my strong guess is that the latter will have less content. Granted, I haven't quantified this data, but I feel pretty confident in my assertion. Josephine and Cullen are the two that I think are the closest to what I'd want to see in NPC romances. They are prominent in the plot; around for many of the major events; and feel like fully developed characters. But that was also because they were advisor type characters. As seen in ME:A, not all "official" NPC romances fill that role (think Reyes versus Gil or Avela/Keri versus Suvi). Maybe DA4 will have "advisors" who are major NPCs with prominent roles. Hopefully they do. What I don't want is another Steve, Reyes, Avela, Keri type character who barely shows up in the main story at all.
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Post by hellionrex on Jan 14, 2019 18:39:30 GMT
I agree on the NPC front. I have yet to find any NPC romance worth my effort yet, except maybe Reyes. And even then, he was relegated to basically a single planet.
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Post by Walter Black on Jan 14, 2019 18:50:17 GMT
I want a romance where I get broken up with in the harshest way possible, and then there could be a sidequest to get me government-subsidised therapy so I don't harm myself. I mean, that's one we can ALL relate to, right guys?! Guys? Soo.... a gay Bishop?
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Post by Artemis on Jan 14, 2019 19:12:38 GMT
I agree on the NPC front. I have yet to find any NPC romance worth my effort yet, except maybe Reyes. And even then, he was relegated to basically a single planet. that was like the only issue I had with him though? It really was a great romance. It had several scenes, and others characters commented on it, even on other planets. And I don't even mind it being confined to one planet, but the pacing was wildly off. You could do the whole thing in a few hours, even though there's a LOT of content. So if it were more spread out, AND if he'd continue to email you afterward (and have a better post-game scene/conversation), it would be fine. I played the Cullen romance (with a mod) and it was also a really great example of a non-companion romance, but others have already mentioned Cullen. Agree with @daveliam that these types of romances are fine to have and actually quite nice, so long as they're 1. as extensive and meaningful as companion romances, and 2. not only given to LGBT characters, making these romances seem "secondary" BECAUSE they are LGBT. Funny how the best non-companion romance is a straight guy.
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Post by rras1994 on Jan 14, 2019 19:27:15 GMT
I agree on the NPC front. I have yet to find any NPC romance worth my effort yet, except maybe Reyes. And even then, he was relegated to basically a single planet. that was like the only issue I had with him though? It really was a great romance. It had several scenes, and others characters commented on it, even on other planets. And I don't even mind it being confined to one planet, but the pacing was wildly off. You could do the whole thing in a few hours, even though there's a LOT of content. So if it were more spread out, AND if he'd continue to email you afterward (and have a better post-game scene/conversation), it would be fine. I played the Cullen romance (with a mod) and it was also a really great example of a non-companion romance, but others have already mentioned Cullen. Agree with @daveliam that these types of romances are fine to have and actually quite nice, so long as they're 1. as extensive and meaningful as companion romances, and 2. not only given to LGBT characters, making these romances seem "secondary" BECAUSE they are LGBT. Funny how the best non-companion romance is a straight guy. Josephine has just as much content but isn't straight. I'd argue that Cullen seems like he has more content cus we have more history with that character - he's featured in two games before that point. It's likely more due to the development issues surrounding MEA which is why their NPC romances don't have the same content as their DAI equivalent. Cullen and Josephine are romances that are as good as any of the other romances in that game. If future games handle NPC romances in the same way as DAI rather then MEA, I'd be perfectly happy with an NPC romance, especially as it may allow for a wider range of romance options rather than just the ones that are able to fight with you.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jan 14, 2019 21:02:52 GMT
that was like the only issue I had with him though? It really was a great romance. It had several scenes, and others characters commented on it, even on other planets. And I don't even mind it being confined to one planet, but the pacing was wildly off. You could do the whole thing in a few hours, even though there's a LOT of content. So if it were more spread out, AND if he'd continue to email you afterward (and have a better post-game scene/conversation), it would be fine. I played the Cullen romance (with a mod) and it was also a really great example of a non-companion romance, but others have already mentioned Cullen. Agree with @daveliam that these types of romances are fine to have and actually quite nice, so long as they're 1. as extensive and meaningful as companion romances, and 2. not only given to LGBT characters, making these romances seem "secondary" BECAUSE they are LGBT. Funny how the best non-companion romance is a straight guy. Josephine has just as much content but isn't straight. I'd argue that Cullen seems like he has more content cus we have more history with that character - he's featured in two games before that point. It's likely more due to the development issues surrounding MEA which is why their NPC romances don't have the same content as their DAI equivalent. Cullen and Josephine are romances that are as good as any of the other romances in that game. If future games handle NPC romances in the same way as DAI rather then MEA, I'd be perfectly happy with an NPC romance, especially as it may allow for a wider range of romance options rather than just the ones that are able to fight with you. I don't consider "development issues" to be an excuse for LGBT characters/romances being underdeveloped compared to straight ones. That is a choice that BioWare makes when they decide to allocate more time and resources to straight content than queer content. They can fix that particular "development issue" any time they damn well please.
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Post by rras1994 on Jan 14, 2019 21:25:04 GMT
Josephine has just as much content but isn't straight. I'd argue that Cullen seems like he has more content cus we have more history with that character - he's featured in two games before that point. It's likely more due to the development issues surrounding MEA which is why their NPC romances don't have the same content as their DAI equivalent. Cullen and Josephine are romances that are as good as any of the other romances in that game. If future games handle NPC romances in the same way as DAI rather then MEA, I'd be perfectly happy with an NPC romance, especially as it may allow for a wider range of romance options rather than just the ones that are able to fight with you. I don't consider "development issues" to be an excuse for LGBT characters/romances being underdeveloped compared to straight ones. That is a choice that BioWare makes when they decide to allocate more time and resources to straight content than queer content. They can fix that particular "development issue" any time they damn well please. Depends which "straight" you are, straight woman had one romance more to begin with before they added Jaal for gays guys, which was less than gay woman which was alot less then straight men. It''s not so much straight content but content that straight men are comfortable with cus people in the gaming industry still have that as their primary target. There's a reason that games with female protags (not gender choice like RPGs) don't have straight romance cus it apparently makes male gamers uncomfortable having their character they control kiss a guy. Which is likely the same reason the gaming industry (AAA) hasn't done a gay male protag either. Mass Effect tends to be a lot worse then this historically then Dragon Age. And it sucks. I would argue that MEA's development probably made the issue worse but it's not hard to work out who the game was designed for when straight guys consistently get the most choices in that franchise. The ME team need to take a leaf out of the DA team cus it just sucks. The reason NPC romances aren't as good as in DAI in MEA is likely cus of the development issues, the fact that all the gay guy romances were light on content at launch was cus someone along the line thought it wasn't a big enough audience for the resources and that's just shitty. They could have prioritised it and they didn't. There's no actual reason an NPC romance can't be just as developed as a companion romance as DAI shows so if there were going to put all the gay guy romances in that category they should have diverted resources to bring it to the same standard as the others.
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Post by phoray on Jan 14, 2019 21:59:32 GMT
This reminds me of complaints about the War Table. People thought the War Table took up resources that would otherwise have been spent on "something else". But it wasn't a choice between War Table and Something Else, it was a choice between War Table and Nothing.
So all the less content NPC romances, would you have rather had the Nothing?
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