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Post by masterwarderz on Dec 9, 2018 0:55:16 GMT
Diversity is real and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with portraying it. Forced diversity isn’t really a diversity problem, it’s a pandering problem. That being said, I’ve become a bit jaded from experience with people who seem to think diversity being good means there should be a mandate on media to be diverse, which I don’t agree with, such as the backlash in some corners trying to tar CDPR as a bunch of racists because The Witcher trilogy cast is entirely white. That says more than a complete absence. It really doesn't.
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 9, 2018 0:55:56 GMT
Well as being part of the "Anti-SJW brigade" I would hope that the character has more personality than just being trans. That was the issue with Krem and any other trans BW characters BW has done. Why can't the person just be a person Turns out SJWs ALSO want minority characters to be well-written, surprise surprise. I suspect the issue is less with the characters, but that you set the bar higher for them. This kind of seems to go over people's head at times. Nobody wants minority characters and for them to suck. We obviously want minority characters that are at the same level as everyone else, and not written as the '' minority characters. '' But you know, minority characters would probably be much more well written if they weren't forced to be irrelevant NPCs and side characters. But if said characters, namely LGBT characters, had a bigger role, it's '' STOP FORCING THIS DOWN MY THROAT SJWS!!!!! '' Note, I'm not talking about ANYONE IN SPECIFIC and I'm not accusing ANYONE OF THE THINGS SAID ABOVE. It's just a thing I've noticed through my stroll around the internet neighborhood.
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Post by masterwarderz on Dec 9, 2018 0:56:44 GMT
I guess we still have a way to go on transgender acceptance There is a difference between "acceptance" in so far as their right to exist and live within a society as an equal to any other and having them be foisted upon as some sort of "grand social commentary" on the matter. A vast gulf in my eye.
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Post by masterwarderz on Dec 9, 2018 0:57:47 GMT
Turns out SJWs ALSO want minority characters to be well-written, surprise surprise. I suspect the issue is less with the characters, but that you set the bar higher for them. it's '' STOP FORCING THIS DOWN MY THROAT SJWS!!!!! '' Maybe if it hadn't for year after year after year until finally people got sick and tired of it and refuse to take anymore? Two sides to any story man.
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Post by isaidlunch on Dec 9, 2018 0:59:31 GMT
I have no problem with her being a companion, but I hope there will be more to her character than "lol i'm trans". The comics weren't a great start to her character.
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 9, 2018 1:00:15 GMT
it's '' STOP FORCING THIS DOWN MY THROAT SJWS!!!!! '' Maybe if it hadn't for year after year after year until finally people got sick and tired of it and refuse to take anymore? Two sides to any story man. What the hell are you even talking about right now?
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 9, 2018 1:02:20 GMT
I guess we still have a way to go on transgender acceptance There is a difference between "acceptance" in so far as their right to exist and live within a society as an equal to any other and having them be foisted upon as some sort of "grand social commentary" on the matter. A vast gulf in my eye. Ah dun care wut they git up to in priii-vayte. But git them thar gosh-durn queers OUT MAH VIJAGAEMZ.
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Post by masterwarderz on Dec 9, 2018 1:07:22 GMT
Maybe if it hadn't for year after year after year until finally people got sick and tired of it and refuse to take anymore? Two sides to any story man. What the hell are you even talking about right now? From Bioware specifically or...? If we are doing Bioware specifically then, their political leanings and their increasing frequency of voicing said politics both in their interactions with their fans and their inclusion in their games have only become more pressing and obvious since the turn of the decade. From the rather infamous Gay Anders rivalry mechanic, to the paper thin allegories to modern social issues just being forced on us through transparent lenses(The revision of the Qunari to allow transexuals, The Aveline is stronger, etc), to folks just outright being called bigots and homophobes for merely disagreeing with said decisions by both fanbase and developer...despite the fact, it wasn't the fanbase who gave Heir a job but whatever. Add into the fact that one can look at a society that is still pushing forward with the modern progressive narrative on several fronts socially, and the modern progressive outlook grows rather tiring rather quickly when you realize that beneath the appeals for "inclusion" what is actually being done is dictation. Point stands, this issues have hung over this fanbase for quite some time and that shadow hasn't lifted, and it likely won't while the company pursues its current course of inclusion for the sake of inclusion and its apparent indifference to some of their employees voicing their disdain and hatred of a racial group.
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Post by masterwarderz on Dec 9, 2018 1:09:15 GMT
There is a difference between "acceptance" in so far as their right to exist and live within a society as an equal to any other and having them be foisted upon as some sort of "grand social commentary" on the matter. A vast gulf in my eye. Ah dun care wut they git up to in priii-vayte. But git them thar gosh-durn queers OUT MAH VIJAGAEMZ. If we go by this metric shouldn't you be assaulting someone with a bike-lock on a campus somewhere?
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 9, 2018 1:10:39 GMT
Ah yes, ye olde "your existence is politics" argument.
Yawn.
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Post by arcanistranger on Dec 9, 2018 1:10:45 GMT
Here's the "problem" with diverse characters, as I learned from some alt-righter on Tumblr whining about Steve Cortez:
If a male character's story involves overcoming the death of his wife, then his story is about overcoming the death of his wife.
If a female character's story involves overcoming the death of her husband, then her story is about overcoming the death of her husband.
If a male character's story involves overcoming the death of his husband, then his story is about being gay.
This is exactly what the people who whine about "SJWs" really think. They focus only on the diverse trait of the character, to the complete exclusion of everything else about them -- so they can then convince themselves that the creator is shoving that diverse trait down the viewer's throat.
Which, of course, is a reflection of how such people really think of diverse people, in fiction or reality. Just look at the comments about Cora Harper in the first trailer she was shown in. A bunch of alt-right neanderthals spouted all kinds of homophobic trash based on her "lesbian" hairstyle. Said bigoted vitriol makes a lot of sense when you consider that the very same trailer showed Cora in a romance scene with MALE Ryder.
These people are intolerant. That includes actively seeking to destroy anything that depicts characters with traits they consider "wrong." And gaming journalists have shown that they're perfectly happy to sabotage games to get that kind of person to click on their websites, right after pretending to wag their finger at bigots the previous second.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 9, 2018 1:11:38 GMT
Ah dun care wut they git up to in priii-vayte. But git them thar gosh-durn queers OUT MAH VIJAGAEMZ. If we go by this metric shouldn't you be assaulting someone with a bike-lock on a campus somewhere? Yeah, cause that's who's committing all the assaults on school campuses. Teh gayz. Lol.
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Post by masterwarderz on Dec 9, 2018 1:12:41 GMT
If we go by this metric shouldn't you be assaulting someone with a bike-lock on a campus somewhere? Yeah, cause that's who's committing all the assaults on school campuses. Teh gayz. Lol. Are you assuming the sexuality of a deranged ANTIFA member now? Isn't that against the modern progressive social program?
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Post by masterwarderz on Dec 9, 2018 1:14:27 GMT
Ah yes, ye olde "your existence is politics" argument. Yawn. It isn't, it being a focal point on what is supposed to be a well written character, is however politics. A three dimensional person, is more then just whom they take to their bed. ...Or would you disagree?
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Post by arcanistranger on Dec 9, 2018 1:15:29 GMT
1. It doesn't make you look good to refer to a woman as "the." 2. Oh gasp, a warrior woman. Can't possibly be. Clearly BioWare only does that because SJW. Everyone else does it for the "right" reasons.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 9, 2018 1:15:45 GMT
Yeah, cause that's who's committing all the assaults on school campuses. Teh gayz. Lol. Are you assuming the sexuality of a deranged ANTIFA member now? Isn't that against the modern progressive social program? No, you assumed the political affiliations of me, a homosexual panda.
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Post by masterwarderz on Dec 9, 2018 1:16:19 GMT
Are you assuming the sexuality of a deranged ANTIFA member now? Isn't that against the modern progressive social program? No, you assumed the political affiliations of me, a homosexual panda. No, I responded to a joke, with a better joke.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 9, 2018 1:16:57 GMT
1. It doesn't make you look good to refer to a woman as "the." On the contrary, I propose we refer to every woman as a "The" from now on.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Dec 9, 2018 1:19:13 GMT
Here's the "problem" with diverse characters, as I learned from some alt-righter on Tumblr whining about Steve Cortez: If a male character's story involves overcoming the death of his wife, then his story is about overcoming the death of his wife. If a female character's story involves overcoming the death of her husband, then her story is about overcoming the death of her husband. If a male character's story involves overcoming the death of his husband, then his story is about being gay. This is exactly what the people who whine about "SJWs" really think. They focus only on the diverse trait of the character, to the complete exclusion of everything else about them -- so they can then convince themselves that the creator is shoving that diverse trait down the viewer's throat. Which, of course, is a reflection of how such people really think of diverse people, in fiction or reality. Just look at the comments about Cora Harper in the first trailer she was shown in. A bunch of alt-right neanderthals spouted all kinds of homophobic trash based on her "lesbian" hairstyle. Said bigoted vitriol makes a lot of sense when you consider that the very same trailer showed Cora in a romance scene with MALE Ryder.These people are intolerant. That includes actively seeking to destroy anything that depicts characters with traits they consider "wrong." And gaming journalists have shown that they're perfectly happy to sabotage games to get that kind of person to click on their websites, right after pretending to wag their finger at bigots the previous second. Just make the character well written, human, real? I'm truly amazed at the contrived complexity here.
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Post by masterwarderz on Dec 9, 2018 1:20:03 GMT
1. It doesn't make you look good to refer to a woman as "the." 2. Oh gasp, a warrior woman. Can't possibly be. Clearly BioWare only does that because SJW. Everyone else does it for the "right" reasons. Yes, yes, yes, I get it, your virtual signalling is cutting through the clouds. But honestly homie? Considering that you started this thread on the grounds of "a bunch of raging neo-Nazi troglodytes"
I'd argue my image isn't the one in need of looking good.
Also, this tactic does you no favors, replying to the person who issued the argument, rather then the argument, pretty sure that's against the rules of the board.
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Post by isaidlunch on Dec 9, 2018 1:20:08 GMT
Here's the "problem" with diverse characters, as I learned from some alt-righter on Tumblr whining about Steve Cortez: If a male character's story involves overcoming the death of his wife, then his story is about overcoming the death of his wife. If a female character's story involves overcoming the death of her husband, then her story is about overcoming the death of her husband. If a male character's story involves overcoming the death of his husband, then his story is about being gay. This is exactly what the people who whine about "SJWs" really think. They focus only on the diverse trait of the character, to the complete exclusion of everything else about them -- so they can then convince themselves that the creator is shoving that diverse trait down the viewer's throat. Which, of course, is a reflection of how such people really think of diverse people, in fiction or reality. Just look at the comments about Cora Harper in the first trailer she was shown in. A bunch of alt-right neanderthals spouted all kinds of homophobic trash based on her "lesbian" hairstyle. Said bigoted vitriol makes a lot of sense when you consider that the very same trailer showed Cora in a romance scene with MALE Ryder.These people are intolerant. That includes actively seeking to destroy anything that depicts characters with traits they consider "wrong." And gaming journalists have shown that they're perfectly happy to sabotage games to get that kind of person to click on their websites, right after pretending to wag their finger at bigots the previous second. The way Steve Cortez was written was incredibly homophobic and Traynor wasn't much better. I played through the Cortez romance the week ME3 was released and not only was it terrible, it was clearly written by someone who thought that stereotypes like a dead husband and picking up men in clubs was appropriate for a gay male romance. Traynor was written by a man who thought voyeuristic shower scenes were appropriate for a lesbian romance.
It's boring and it's disrespectful. Bioware have a history of resorting to LGBT stereotypes and they're still doing it, like the trans woman in MEA revealing her deadname in 5 seconds. I'm willing to bet that these anti-SJWs aren't really anti-SJWs at all - they just have a problem with badly done representation being forced in their face. Literally no one has a problem with characters like Arcade and Veronica from F:NV. Why? Because they act like actual people, not walking stereotypes.
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 9, 2018 1:20:16 GMT
Ah yes, ye olde "your existence is politics" argument. Yawn. It isn't, it being a focal point on what is supposed to be a well written character, is however politics. A three dimensional person, is more then just whom they take to their bed. ...Or would you disagree? It's really not. Someone's sexuality, their gender, their race might well be a significant part of their identity - but that doesn't mean that's all they are. Bigots can't seem to see past that, though, for some reason.
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Post by bshep on Dec 9, 2018 1:20:54 GMT
Kinda of a stupid and pointless discussion.
Dragon Age have never shy away from this matter before (even more so than ME i would say) so i see no reason to think it is going to be any different now. Independent of Mae being a companion or not.
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Post by masterwarderz on Dec 9, 2018 1:21:22 GMT
It isn't, it being a focal point on what is supposed to be a well written character, is however politics. A three dimensional person, is more then just whom they take to their bed. ...Or would you disagree? It's really not. *shrug* I disagree, fair enough.
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 9, 2018 1:22:49 GMT
1. It doesn't make you look good to refer to a woman as "the." On the contrary, I propose we refer to every woman as a "The" from now on. I will hereby be known as The Vertigomez.
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