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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 19, 2024 8:50:18 GMT
The main difference is that joining the Wardens can kill you, allbeit rare. Not that they'll tell *you* that. lol It's still a secret? You'd think it'd be exposed by now.
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Post by Reznore on Aug 19, 2024 8:52:57 GMT
Fighting blighted creature can also kill you if you're no warden. Remember Aveline husband, and Hawke siblings in the deep roads?
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Post by saandrig on Aug 19, 2024 8:56:42 GMT
It was basically an Iron Man rpg, and I say that with praise. I don't know. Considering that Cyberpunk 2.0/Phantom Liberty turned that game around. Hindsight, I'm disappointed they didn't give Anthem a shot. Anthem's foundation seemed crooked. The developers couldn't make a single patch that didn't brake at least as many things as it supposedly fixed. Old glitches that were gone for 2-3 patches were suddenly popping up again after a new update. The stat system was mostly bogus and barely worked.
The game was unsalvageable on a development level and essentially required an entire overhaul, which was pretty much making a whole new game from scratch. Which was obviously financially unfeasible.
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Post by saandrig on Aug 19, 2024 9:04:57 GMT
Not that they'll tell *you* that. lol It's still a secret? You'd think it'd be exposed by now. Who'd expose it? It was kept a secret from the masses for hundreds of years. The general trend is that Wardens don't spill the beans.
We don't speak about our Warden ordeal in DAO, except with Alistair. In DA2 Hawke is not told how the sibling will be rescued, just that there is a way and it requires joining the Wardens (and you might even miss this whole segment). In DAI we don't really bother with details about the Joining. Sure, there can be a lot of talk about the Wardens hearing the Calling, having tainted blood and so forth, but the Joining and its mortality rate are not common knowledge.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 19, 2024 9:21:19 GMT
The main difference is that joining the Wardens can kill you, allbeit rare. Not that they'll tell *you* that. lol Like I've said already, for some reason the First Warden was delaying putting new recruits through it as much as possible in the Last Flight. We were never told the precise reason for that. May be he'd heard about Corypheus or may be he just didn't want the wastage. I seem to recall recruitment was down somewhat in Ferelden. Perhaps that was the case everywhere. It wouldn't be helped if word spread about Adamant either. Also, perhaps they were running low on Arch-demon blood. Did anyone tell us we needed to collect Urthemiel's after it was killed? Probably people just burnt the carcass before outside Wardens arrived to tell them to do any different. Stocks of Andoral blood must have been running low by this time. So, it would pay not to waste it on recruits between Blights.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 19, 2024 9:22:06 GMT
It's still a secret? You'd think it'd be exposed by now. Who'd expose it? It was kept a secret from the masses for hundreds of years. The general trend is that Wardens don't spill the beans.
We don't speak about our Warden ordeal in DAO, except with Alistair. In DA2 Hawke is not told how the sibling will be rescued, just that there is a way and it requires joining the Wardens (and you might even miss this whole segment). In DAI we don't really bother with details about the Joining. Sure, there can be a lot of talk about the Wardens hearing the Calling, having tainted blood and so forth, but the Joining and its mortality rate are not common knowledge.
I guess, I mean, with so many members, not having one whistleblower is impressive to me.
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Post by saandrig on Aug 19, 2024 9:35:17 GMT
I guess, I mean, with so many members, not having one whistleblower is impressive to me. Anders is probably the closest we've seen to a turncoat Warden and even he was tight lipped about it. One never really leaves the Wardens, except that one case with Alistair's mom.
Anyone that has been a Warden realizes their burden and how vital they are. Even if you disagree with them on some day-to-day crap, you know they are needed. No Warden would feel the need to rock the boat.
There might have been some weak links in the ranks through history, but the Wardens most likely dealt with them quickly.
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Post by Sartoz on Aug 19, 2024 9:36:11 GMT
Has anyone cogitated a bit about Rook as a ranged mage healer? No melee options/skills etc.
During a fight, our esteemed companions are pretty much useless in the "damage dealing" capacity. What will our mage hero do? More precisely, what can this Rook do? Unless those two have some form of magic, what combos can Rook the healing mage perform?
My suspicion is that all seven of the chars will have some magic abilities or magic weapons, rings, amulets... etc .
-even with a three ability limit that would still leave room open for 2 healing spells and a offensive spell. Or even a debuff/ support. - the 'useless companions' were at level 1 as well. - combos don't have to be magic only, indeed it is very unlikely that they are.
Hm... A combo, then, can be the simultaneous attack of sword+fireball, as an example. That's supposed to be powerful? Also, I'm assuming that everything is scaleable. If so, level 1 or level 10 remains relative with the increasing sponginess absorbing damage of the enemy.
Let's hope this question is answered in this week's gameplay demo trailer.
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Post by fairdragon on Aug 19, 2024 9:37:16 GMT
Who'd expose it? It was kept a secret from the masses for hundreds of years. The general trend is that Wardens don't spill the beans.
We don't speak about our Warden ordeal in DAO, except with Alistair. In DA2 Hawke is not told how the sibling will be rescued, just that there is a way and it requires joining the Wardens (and you might even miss this whole segment). In DAI we don't really bother with details about the Joining. Sure, there can be a lot of talk about the Wardens hearing the Calling, having tainted blood and so forth, but the Joining and its mortality rate are not common knowledge.
I guess, I mean, with so many members, not having one whistleblower is impressive to me. It is like a military organisation. I think a whistleblower will not life long. And i don't think people will believe one person. The wardens are a legend. Even with what happend in DAI.
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Post by Sartoz on Aug 19, 2024 9:37:32 GMT
Um... we're about to fight two uber-powerful blighted god-kings that likely know a lot more about the Blight than anyone else, and probably master it in a way nobody before them did I wasn't thinking like that, but why would someone join the Grey Wardens when before Veilguard there was relative peace for 10 years.
Hm.... I'm thinking the same reasons why people joined the French Foreign Legion.
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Post by Sartoz on Aug 19, 2024 9:47:25 GMT
Remember the Anthem Hype and Skepticism threads? Man, the skeptics had such a field day that the hype people migrated from their dead thread. Hoping it's reversed for DAV. I’m optimistic. There was a recent article (I’ll try and find it in morning) about how Bioware had learned from Anthem to ‘stick to what you know’. That’s encouraging. I don’t begrudge creatives wanting to experiment with new things at all, but if you’re good at making cars, don’t assume you’re automatically good at making motorcycles. Yes, they work - at their most basic level - the same as a car, but the person who buys a car is looking for a totally different experience to the person who buys a motorcycle.
Except the car maker continues to add motorcycle experience to their cars
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Post by Sartoz on Aug 19, 2024 9:53:30 GMT
Not that they'll tell *you* that. lol Like I've said already, for some reason the First Warden was delaying putting new recruits through it as much as possible in the Last Flight. We were never told the precise reason for that. May be he'd heard about Corypheus or may be he just didn't want the wastage. I seem to recall recruitment was down somewhat in Ferelden. Perhaps that was the case everywhere. It wouldn't be helped if word spread about Adamant either. Also, perhaps they were running low on Arch-demon blood. Did anyone tell us we needed to collect Urthemiel's after it was killed? Probably people just burnt the carcass before outside Wardens arrived to tell them to do any different. Stocks of Andoral blood must have been running low by this time. So, it would pay not to waste it on recruits between Blights.
They used preservatives? You'd think this "tech" would spill into preserving food. Problem with Lore is that if not well thought out it can bite you in the Gluteous Maximus down the road.
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Post by Sartoz on Aug 19, 2024 9:54:50 GMT
I guess, I mean, with so many members, not having one whistleblower is impressive to me. Anders is probably the closest we've seen to a turncoat Warden and even he was tight lipped about it. One never really leaves the Wardens, except that one case with Alistair's mom.
Anyone that has been a Warden realizes their burden and how vital they are. Even if you disagree with them on some day-to-day crap, you know they are needed. No Warden would feel the need to rock the boat.
There might have been some weak links in the ranks through history, but the Wardens most likely dealt with them quickly.
And no one questions why there are no old Wardens around?
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 19, 2024 10:00:42 GMT
Sure, there can be a lot of talk about the Wardens hearing the Calling, having tainted blood and so forth, but the Joining and its mortality rate are not common knowledge. Yet somehow Anora seemed to know. I think the writers slipped up there. She was arguing why the Joining could effectively be used to judge her father but she shouldn't even have known there was a possibility he could die from it. Normally families aren't told. Nathaniel said how his family never knew and it is possible his relative actually died in the Joining. No doubt Jory's wife was simply told he died at Ostagar with all the rest. It also meant any potential witnesses to the fact that Duncan started out with 4 new recruits and then before the battle had only 2, would likely have died at Ostagar too. That's the thing really, unless a Warden does spill the beans on them, people will accept that they just died serving the Order, which is probably how the official communication would word it.
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Post by fairdragon on Aug 19, 2024 10:01:34 GMT
Anders is probably the closest we've seen to a turncoat Warden and even he was tight lipped about it. One never really leaves the Wardens, except that one case with Alistair's mom.
Anyone that has been a Warden realizes their burden and how vital they are. Even if you disagree with them on some day-to-day crap, you know they are needed. No Warden would feel the need to rock the boat.
There might have been some weak links in the ranks through history, but the Wardens most likely dealt with them quickly.
And no one questions why there are no old Wardens around?
They go into the deep roads and die an honorable death. That is part of the legend of the wardens. And who would miss them, they have no family connections once they are in the order.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 19, 2024 10:08:50 GMT
And no one questions why there are no old Wardens around? See my above post. Everyone knows Wardens fight darkspawn and so they likely assume that is what happened, they died in service. When you are in a military order dedicated to eradicating dangerous creatures, the chances of living to a ripe old age are considerably reduced. Also, despite the recruitment of married men (which I feel is morally reprehensible in between Blights if they have families dependent on them - are Wardens even paid a salary?), really the recruits are meant to cut ties with their families (even though from DAA it would appear they don't). However, I dare say they are discouraged from keeping contact once they start showing signs of the corruption and then they just head into the Deep Roads to die. I would note that in the epilogue to DAA it simply says that one day our Hero suddenly took off and no one knew why. At the time I just assumed they were following their Calling (since it didn't say exactly how many years had passed) but then we learn in DAI it was for a different reason - trying to find a cure for their terminal condition. Since nothing more was said about that at the end of Trespasser, even though a Warden in a romance with Leliana definitely returned from the West, I must assume it was an unsuccessful wild goose chase. Unless they were keeping that back to surprise us. However, in Last Flight, Isseya revealed her corruption to Garahel's lover after his death. It might have made the latter feel a bit better about losing him seeing what it did to her. However, she was not a Warden and I don't recall Isseya made her promise not to reveal it, so it is possible word got out on a limited basis.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 19, 2024 11:32:28 GMT
It's still a secret? You'd think it'd be exposed by now. Who'd expose it? It was kept a secret from the masses for hundreds of years. The general trend is that Wardens don't spill the beans.
We don't speak about our Warden ordeal in DAO, except with Alistair. In DA2 Hawke is not told how the sibling will be rescued, just that there is a way and it requires joining the Wardens (and you might even miss this whole segment). In DAI we don't really bother with details about the Joining. Sure, there can be a lot of talk about the Wardens hearing the Calling, having tainted blood and so forth, but the Joining and its mortality rate are not common knowledge.
Ther are som eoutside the Warden's who know but are likel ysworn t osecrec ylik the Seneschal in Awakenin gas he prepares the Joining ritua lfo rOghren an dth eothers
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Post by saandrig on Aug 19, 2024 12:49:59 GMT
Also, perhaps they were running low on Arch-demon blood. Did anyone tell us we needed to collect Urthemiel's after it was killed? Probably people just burnt the carcass before outside Wardens arrived to tell them to do any different. Stocks of Andoral blood must have been running low by this time. So, it would pay not to waste it on recruits between Blights. Someone should make a comic with the aftermath of the Denerim battle. It should have the HoF/Alistair restricting access to the Archdemon body with yellow tape ("Warden business" sign) and filling bloody buckets.
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Post by jediguardian on Aug 19, 2024 12:57:56 GMT
Can we expect something new today? They said week of 19 August, not 19 August.
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Post by azarhal on Aug 19, 2024 13:15:45 GMT
Can we expect something new today? They said week of 19 August, not 19 August. BioWare rarely drop stuff on Monday, so I wouldn't expecting anything outside maybe a tweet about which day and time to tune in this week.
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Post by saandrig on Aug 19, 2024 13:16:38 GMT
Can we expect something new today? They said week of 19 August, not 19 August. If there is, it will be released no sooner than 3 hours from now. Just going by the general approach we had so far with news and trailers.
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Post by fairdragon on Aug 19, 2024 13:16:42 GMT
Can we expect something new today? They said week of 19 August, not 19 August. It is 9:14 at Bioware. I am not sure, but i think their could be something small. Let's see and wait.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 19, 2024 13:25:39 GMT
Can we expect something new today? They said week of 19 August, not 19 August. I'm takng it as we'll see something a tsome stage this week not necessaril ytoday Basicall yany tim ebetween today and Friday tbh is my feeling
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Post by captnjoe on Aug 19, 2024 13:35:18 GMT
Can we expect something new today? They said week of 19 August, not 19 August. It is 9:14 at Bioware. I am not sure, but i think their could be something small. Let's see and wait.
They are two hours behind, so for your post it should be 7:14
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 19, 2024 14:29:37 GMT
Someone should make a comic with the aftermath of the Denerim battle. It should have the HoF/Alistair restricting access to the Archdemon body with yellow tape ("Warden business" sign) and filling bloody buckets. That's the thing though, how did they know? Duncan never even bothered to tell us about the trick with the Arch-demon. If we hadn't found Riorden that would have been left to Morrigan. Mind you, I seem to recall that Alistair did say something about Wardens asking questions about why we weren't dead at the celebration party, so perhaps they would have dealt with the Arch-demon blood collection (wherever they had sprung from). At the time I told Alistair to just pretend to be stupidly ignorant, which he said wasn't hard since that was pretty much the case anyway.
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