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Post by azarhal on Oct 18, 2024 17:53:44 GMT
It just highlight how education systems are failing all over and how some people spend too much time without real people around them. I think it only proves that education systems were failing for quite some time, given that many people who peddle the stupidest conspiracy theories are my parents' age. It's amazing, really - half of my life I keep hearing how I shouldn't believe everything that's on Internet, only for supposedly smarter, more experienced people spout nonsense they read on a random Facebook post It's surely worse now when it comes to sheer spread of disinformation, and playing on fears, and so on, but it's something that exploits ignorance, deficits and emotions that were already there; it's just that it's easier now to find one's 'tribe', and that tribe will often whip itself into a frenzy, warping even silliest conspiracies mumbled under breath in family gatherings for decades into something that takes over their lives and minds. The thing with education, it's that you never stop "learning". Enough exposure to crap and you start to believe in crap regardless of how old you are or what you have been told before. That how fringe consipiracy stuff have become so mainstream thanks to the internet. People used to watch/talkd about that shit to laught at it, not they are believing that crap because their thought process have started to accept those pseudo-science presentation as facts over repeated viewing. I had the pleasure to experience that with a friend. He went from rational person to believing anti-climate change bullshit from pseudo-scientists.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Oct 18, 2024 18:57:18 GMT
Propaganda, for good or ill, works.
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 18, 2024 19:08:08 GMT
I think it only proves that education systems were failing for quite some time, given that many people who peddle the stupidest conspiracy theories are my parents' age. It's amazing, really - half of my life I keep hearing how I shouldn't believe everything that's on Internet, only for supposedly smarter, more experienced people spout nonsense they read on a random Facebook post It's surely worse now when it comes to sheer spread of disinformation, and playing on fears, and so on, but it's something that exploits ignorance, deficits and emotions that were already there; it's just that it's easier now to find one's 'tribe', and that tribe will often whip itself into a frenzy, warping even silliest conspiracies mumbled under breath in family gatherings for decades into something that takes over their lives and minds. The thing with education, it's that you never stop "learning". Enough exposure to crap and you start to believe in crap regardless of how old you are or what you have been told before. That how fringe consipiracy stuff have become so mainstream thanks to the internet. People used to watch/talkd about that shit to laught at it, not they are believing that crap because their thought process have started to accept those pseudo-science presentation as facts over repeated viewing. I had the pleasure to experience that with a friend. He went from rational person to believing anti-climate change bullshit from pseudo-scientists. It's all true... if one doesn't learn critical thinking skills. It's not a fool-proof solution, hardly anything is, but generally people who are taught how to think critically, how to look for credible sources or recognize biases of people and their own handle disinformation environment much better than people who start to believe it if they hear it often enough. And I have personal experience with that as well - folks who approached all information rationally and carefully generally stayed that way, while those folks who were driven by emotions or chose to remain ignorant (about how the world works, etc) and never learned how to sift through the barrage of information, fell prey to many different conspiracies or outrageous claims. So, my point stands.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 18, 2024 19:21:26 GMT
I thought Gaider was too young to be an angry old man?
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Oct 18, 2024 19:22:40 GMT
Slow news day again, huh?
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Post by jennica on Oct 18, 2024 19:24:32 GMT
Slow news day again, huh? I think until launch trailer and the day when review embargo drops, every day will be slow news day
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Post by bierkrug on Oct 18, 2024 19:24:49 GMT
I thought Gaider was too young to be an angry old man? He's 52. Not sure he is doing his former colleagues any favours with how he is acting though.
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Post by Reznore on Oct 18, 2024 19:33:31 GMT
I thought Gaider was too young to be an angry old man? He's 52. Not sure he is doing his former colleagues any favours with how he is acting though. Gaider wrote wonderfully bitchy characters that I loved dearly. It didn't come out of nowhere. But hey he did manage one day to piss off Tumblr and was ran out of there. He likes to interact with the fanbase, and I think he enjoys arguing. I'd rather have a Gaider than bland PR talk.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 18, 2024 19:35:41 GMT
He's 52. Not sure he is doing his former colleagues any favours with how he is acting though. Gaider wrote wonderfully bitchy characters that I loved dearly. It didn't come out of nowhere. But hey he did manage one day to piss off Tumblr and was ran out of there. He likes to interact with the fanbase, and I think he enjoys arguing. I'd rather have a Gaider than bland PR talk. throwing around juvenile insults like incel and worrying about what's in people's pants like a 13 year old isn't exactly good PR.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Oct 18, 2024 19:36:14 GMT
I thought Gaider was too young to be an angry old man? He's 52. Not sure he is doing his former colleagues any favours with how he is acting though. Lol Gaider isn't the problem here.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Oct 18, 2024 19:40:11 GMT
Slow news day again, huh? I think until launch trailer and the day when review embargo drops, every day will be slow news day Yeah unless EA an dBioware bles sus withan early look at the CC. I don't expec tanything els etill th elaunch trailer and reviews tbh.
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Post by Reznore on Oct 18, 2024 19:46:35 GMT
Gaider wrote wonderfully bitchy characters that I loved dearly. It didn't come out of nowhere. But hey he did manage one day to piss off Tumblr and was ran out of there. He likes to interact with the fanbase, and I think he enjoys arguing. I'd rather have a Gaider than bland PR talk. throwing around juvenile insults like incel and worrying about what's in people's pants like a 13 year old isn't exactly good PR. He's not doing PR. Gaider is being Gaider.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Oct 18, 2024 19:56:44 GMT
throwing around juvenile insults like incel and worrying about what's in people's pants like a 13 year old isn't exactly good PR. He's not doing PR. Gaider is being Gaider. He also isn’t the one ‘worrying’ about what is in other people’s pants. He’s making fun of the ones who are.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Oct 18, 2024 19:57:44 GMT
Also, 52 is a lot younger than I thought. He’s only 6 years older than me.
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Post by azarhal on Oct 18, 2024 20:01:55 GMT
Also, 52 is a lot younger than I thought. He’s only 6 years older than me. I was going to write something, then I did math and I will refrain from saying it.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Oct 18, 2024 20:01:59 GMT
He's 52. Not sure he is doing his former colleagues any favours with how he is acting though. Gaider wrote wonderfully bitchy characters that I loved dearly. It didn't come out of nowhere. But hey he did manage one day to piss off Tumblr and was ran out of there. He likes to interact with the fanbase, and I think he enjoys arguing. I'd rather have a Gaider than bland PR talk. He wrote Morrigan. I worship him.
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Post by jennica on Oct 18, 2024 20:02:23 GMT
Also, 52 is a lot younger than I thought. He’s only 6 years older than me. I was suprised that he is 52, because i thought he is in his early/mid 40s, and then i realized that DAI was released 10 years ago lol.
Like, i still can't believe that it's been TEN YEARS since last DA game.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Oct 18, 2024 20:02:38 GMT
I thought Gaider was too young to be an angry old man? He's 52. Not sure he is doing his former colleagues any favours with how he is acting though. Um, "his former colleagues" would agree with him.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 18, 2024 20:04:47 GMT
throwing around juvenile insults like incel and worrying about what's in people's pants like a 13 year old isn't exactly good PR. He's not doing PR. Gaider is being Gaider. which makes me suddenly very glad he's not on this project. The damage he's doing as a BioWare tag along is bad enough but if this is being his natural state it would be so much worse if he were on staff still. You can convey your points logically and rationally, you can even push back, without resorting to this level of juvenile behavior.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 18, 2024 20:08:02 GMT
He's 52. Not sure he is doing his former colleagues any favours with how he is acting though. Um, "his former colleagues" would agree with him. probably but there is a difference in how you respond, do you join the pigs in the mid or do you take the high ground? So far none of the current staff, to my knowledge, has behaved in such a fashion.
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Post by SofaJockey on Oct 18, 2024 20:08:59 GMT
I still remember the "What does Tali's sweat smell like?" conversation like it was yesterday That's why we saved it... bsn.boards.net/thread/896/talis-sweat-revisited
probably but there is a difference in how you respond, do you join the pigs in the mid or do you take the high ground? So far none of the current staff, to my knowledge, has behaved in such a situation. I can't think of a single EA/BioWare person that has said anything to rile up anyone this campaign (aside from basic facts about the game that someone might not like). 'Sources' tell me of strong internal messaging to comment on nothing that hasn't been already disclosed in official material, outside of the Directors who should know what they are doing. David Gaider is 8 years out of BioWare, is a private citizen and can say what he wants. If he wants to call bigots 'tourists' (though that seems fair) then that's his opinion not BioWare's.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 18, 2024 20:14:26 GMT
He's 52. Not sure he is doing his former colleagues any favours with how he is acting though. Lol Gaider isn't the problem here. He's not. But he is throwing gasoline on the fire.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Oct 18, 2024 20:15:39 GMT
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Post by Iakus on Oct 18, 2024 20:16:56 GMT
He's not doing PR. Gaider is being Gaider. which makes me suddenly very glad he's not on this project. The damage he's doing as a BioWare tag along is bad enough but if this is being his natural state it would be so much worse if he were on staff still. You can convey your points logically and rationally, you can even push back, without resorting to this level of juvenile behavior. If this is his "natural state" I imagine he'd be very toxic to work with if you're not in lockstep with what he believes in.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 18, 2024 20:20:34 GMT
I still remember the "What does Tali's sweat smell like?" conversation like it was yesterday That's why we saved it... bsn.boards.net/thread/896/talis-sweat-revisited
probably but there is a difference in how you respond, do you join the pigs in the mid or do you take the high ground? So far none of the current staff, to my knowledge, has behaved in such a situation. I can't think of a single EA/BioWare person that has said anything to rile up anyone this campaign (aside from basic facts about the game that someone might not like). 'Sources' tell me of strong internal messaging to comment on nothing that hasn't been already disclosed in official material, outside of the Directors who should know what they are doing. David Gaider is 8 years out of BioWare, is a private citizen and can say what he wants. If he wants to call bigots 'tourists' (though that seems fair) then that's his opinion not BioWare's. the tourist thing is pretty unrelated. Or to borrow a phrase it's the camels nose in the tent...this is the rest of the camel.
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