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Post by midnight tea on Jan 16, 2019 18:55:28 GMT
I think you and I were aiming at the same general goal, but I came off as too critical of EA specifically and you thought I was just advocating for its demise. No, I agree that the problem is a spiral of escalating shareholder expectations, and the solution is regulation. Tear down EA and another publisher just takes their place. I’m just trying to stress to people that “X game sold well” is no longer a guarantee of a sequel. Not in the current market. Well, they can't STOP producing games though. And if they have to choose between sequels or new IP, then games from known franchises will almost always sell better. Sequel-itis has been infecting many mediums for a reason - and with recent serialization trend still going strong...? It's why it's hard to believe that EA will drop Dragon Age anytime soon, or Mass Effect for that matter.
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Post by rras1994 on Jan 16, 2019 19:32:37 GMT
I think you and I were aiming at the same general goal, but I came off as too critical of EA specifically and you thought I was just advocating for its demise. No, I agree that the problem is a spiral of escalating shareholder expectations, and the solution is regulation. Tear down EA and another publisher just takes their place. I’m just trying to stress to people that “X game sold well” is no longer a guarantee of a sequel. Not in the current market. Well, they can't STOP producing games though. And if they have to choose between sequels or new IP, then games from known franchises will almost always sell better. Sequel-itis has been infecting many mediums for a reason - and with recent serialization trend still going strong...? It's why it's hard to believe that EA will drop Dragon Age anytime soon, or Mass Effect for that matter. It apparently costs atleast $100 million now to make a new AAA IP, so very expensive, so the idea they will just throw away established IPs that I don't think have ever lost money in any of their published games doesn't make much sense.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 16, 2019 19:41:27 GMT
Well, they can't STOP producing games though. And if they have to choose between sequels or new IP, then games from known franchises will almost always sell better. Sequel-itis has been infecting many mediums for a reason - and with recent serialization trend still going strong...? It's why it's hard to believe that EA will drop Dragon Age anytime soon, or Mass Effect for that matter. It apparently costs atleast $100 million now to make a new AAA IP, so very expensive, so the idea they will just throw away established IPs that I don't think have ever lost money in any of their published games doesn't make much sense. Yea, and how much more money it takes to market a new IP? So yea, from my perspective, it doesn't make much sense. Especially if they're going to try and keep building their own platform/subscription service - they need a good variety of titles to attract people, similar to how consoles do it. It can't be all sports games*, Battlefield and Anthem.
*(with the threat of gambling regulations looming, nevermind the increasing hostility towards loot boxes, card system or predatory mtx, I think the time of putting more and more eggs into that basket may be coming to a slow end)
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Post by colfoley on Jan 16, 2019 19:44:07 GMT
It apparently costs atleast $100 million now to make a new AAA IP, so very expensive, so the idea they will just throw away established IPs that I don't think have ever lost money in any of their published games doesn't make much sense. Yea, and how much more money it takes to market a new IP? So yea, from my perspective, it doesn't make much sense. Especially if they're going to try and keep building their own platform/subscription service - they need a good variety of titles to attract people, similar to how consoles do it. It can't be all sports games*, Battlefield and Anthem.
*(with the threat of gambling regulations looming, nevermind the increasing hostility towards loot boxes, card system or predatory mtx, I think the time of putting more and more eggs into that basket may be coming to a slow end) i think lootboxes are probably done. |
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Post by rras1994 on Jan 16, 2019 19:47:43 GMT
It apparently costs atleast $100 million now to make a new AAA IP, so very expensive, so the idea they will just throw away established IPs that I don't think have ever lost money in any of their published games doesn't make much sense. Yea, and how much more money it takes to market a new IP? So yea, from my perspective, it doesn't make much sense. Especially if they're going to try and keep building their own platform/subscription service - they need a good variety of titles to attract people, similar to how consoles do it. It can't be all sports games*, Battlefield and Anthem.
*(with the threat of gambling regulations looming, nevermind the increasing hostility towards loot boxes, card system or predatory mtx, I think the time of putting more and more eggs into that basket may be coming to a slow end) They seem to be moving away from lootboxes anyway, outside Fifa, there big games like Battlefield V, Anthem and Sims 4 don't have them. Plus, with their game subscription service they need to have as many IPs and variety as possible so that doesn't really incentivise nixing their existing IPs either.
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Post by alanc9 on Jan 16, 2019 20:17:18 GMT
Just to get away from the whole "how much of a threat is Anthem" discussion, which is kind of played out --- am I the only guy who never heard any of the Solas-Bull chess game before now? ... Really?  It's a banter chain that happens only if we save Chargers. You can hear all of it here if you'd like: Thanks. I think there are a lot of things deep in the trees that I never get to; I tend to switch up party members a lot and keep their use more-or-less balanced, so I end up hearing the same stuff on most runs. I'll have to pick up that mod which lets you control the timer someday.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 16, 2019 21:56:37 GMT
... Really? It's a banter chain that happens only if we save Chargers. You can hear all of it here if you'd like: Thanks. I think there are a lot of things deep in the trees that I never get to; I tend to switch up party members a lot and keep their use more-or-less balanced, so I end up hearing the same stuff on most runs. I'll have to pick up that mod which lets you control the timer someday. Yea, I've used Cheat Engine for a while now, it really does help - especially if I choose to switch parties often or stick to party composition that prevents much banter happening between companions that are rarely together in the group.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 17, 2019 7:50:03 GMT
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesI think @eplerjc really appreciated the hockey references I snuck into my RPG character backstory! John Epler @eplerjc Mary Kirby @biomarykirbyIs the character named "Connor McDavid" but with, like, nine apostrophes? John Epler @eplerjc
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 17, 2019 7:50:36 GMT
John Epler @eplerjcI feel like I make this point on a yearly basis, but as you climb the ranks of game dev, your time spent in PowerPoint and Excel increases accordingly.  Anyways. *returns to staring at Excel, hoping to will it into completion*
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 17, 2019 13:13:54 GMT
John Epler @eplerjcI feel like I make this point on a yearly basis, but as you climb the ranks of game dev, your time spent in PowerPoint and Excel increases accordingly. Anyways. *returns to staring at Excel, hoping to will it into completion* Unironically, Excel/Sheets is low-key amazing though. It’s essentially a massively parallelized functional programming language. It has lots of the features that are currently coveted in modern programming languages, and we all collectively act like it’s just for managers and finance. I’ve very occasionally done real scripting in Sheets. One time I used it for a hobby project that required a procedurally generated image. Let me repeat that: I used a sheet to generate a whole entire image file, and it wasn’t even that hard. I eventually converted it into a “real” scripting language, but the sheet worked shockingly well. |
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Post by LukeBarrett on Jan 17, 2019 16:33:15 GMT
Mary Kirby @biomarykirbyIs the character named "Connor McDavid" but with, like, nine apostrophes? For those who aren't in the know about the greatness that is hockey (aka anyone from a warm place) Connor McDavid is the captain of Edmonton's NHL team and is arguably the best player in the league - I say arguably because I am a 25+ year fan of the Penguins and therefore I say Crosby is better  [/canadian] Unironically, Excel/Sheets is low-key amazing though. So much this. My non-industry friends make fun of me for how much I get excited when I can use excel (I've been using sheets more lately for ease of portability). Obviously not everyone here shares that enthusiasm 
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Post by Julilla on Jan 17, 2019 18:21:43 GMT
So much this. My non-industry friends make fun of me for how much I get excited when I can use excel (I've been using sheets more lately for ease of portability). Obviously not everyone here shares that enthusiasm  Oh. Oh do I have a job for you...are you free today at 1pm PST? Let's not tell my boss though, k?  edit: Ugh, it's not letting me remove arvaarad's tag.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 17, 2019 18:22:30 GMT
Mary Kirby @biomarykirbyIs the character named "Connor McDavid" but with, like, nine apostrophes? For those who aren't in the know about the greatness that is hockey (aka anyone from a warm place) Connor McDavid is the captain of Edmonton's NHL team and is arguably the best player in the league - I say arguably because I am a 25+ year fan of the Penguins and therefore I say Crosby is better [/canadian] Unironically, Excel/Sheets is low-key amazing though. So much this. My non-industry friends make fun of me for how much I get excited when I can use excel (I've been using sheets more lately for ease of portability). Obviously not everyone here shares that enthusiasm meh i prefer Bergeron myself.  |
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Post by Hrungr on Jan 18, 2019 7:27:59 GMT
Emily (aka Domino) Taylor pentapod#TFW you’re feeling all pleased with your N7 and DA logo doodles, but then you look over to the doodles of the artist beside you 😮  
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Post by Ieldra on Jan 18, 2019 9:49:39 GMT
John Epler @eplerjcI feel like I make this point on a yearly basis, but as you climb the ranks of game dev, your time spent in PowerPoint and Excel increases accordingly. Anyways. *returns to staring at Excel, hoping to will it into completion* Unironically, Excel/Sheets is low-key amazing though. It’s essentially a massively parallelized functional programming language. It has lots of the features that are currently coveted in modern programming languages, and we all collectively act like it’s just for managers and finance. I’ve very occasionally done real scripting in Sheets. One time I used it for a hobby project that required a procedurally generated image. Let me repeat that: I used a sheet to generate a whole entire image file, and it wasn’t even that hard. I eventually converted it into a “real” scripting language, but the sheet worked shockingly well. It is indeed extremely useful for a great many different things, from simply generating a random number when you need one to making power and resource calculations for a simulation game, and making auto-calculating character sheets for tabletop roleplaying games. As for more involved applicatons, I've used Excel scripts to generate plausible star systems for my sci-fi roleplaying campaigns. I attempted to convert the application to Java once but there I had to write the user interface methods myself, which Excel provided me with for no work at all since all I needed was tables. Since there's nothing about programming I hate as much as programming a user interface, I abandoned the project and stayed with Excel.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 18, 2019 19:12:55 GMT
Ugh blood and wine lost out to undead nightmare and dragonborn? Ugh.
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Post by Hrungr on Jan 18, 2019 19:34:27 GMT
Ugh blood and wine lost out to undead nightmare and dragonborn? Ugh. While I'm not the Witcher fan some are (though I consider it good ~ very good), I will admit the 2 DLC are quite possibly the best DLC I've played for any game. After that, DLC like Trespasser, Citadel, and so on...
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Post by colfoley on Jan 18, 2019 19:39:17 GMT
Ugh blood and wine lost out to undead nightmare and dragonborn? Ugh. While I'm not the Witcher fan some are (though I consider it good ~ very good), I will admit the 2 DLC are quite possibly the best DLC I've played for any game. After that, DLC like Trespasser, Citadel, and so on... ditto. Tresspasser and B&W are top on my list. |
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Post by Hrungr on Jan 18, 2019 19:44:29 GMT
Apart from BioWare's DLC, another that would make my Top 10 list would be AC: Origins - Curse of the Pharaohs.  |
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Post by Hrungr on Jan 18, 2019 21:33:39 GMT
John Epler @eplerjc
Proving people wrong is a powerful motivator. I doubt I'd be where I am if, early on in my career, someone hadn't told me I never would be.
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Post by Hrungr on Jan 19, 2019 7:17:23 GMT
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesGame writing means poring over the cast list for any animated show you watch to jot down the names of people who had good line delivery while voicing a catgirl. 
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 19, 2019 8:36:05 GMT
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesGame writing means poring over the cast list for any animated show you watch to jot down the names of people who had good line delivery while voicing a catgirl. Er... catgirls confirmed?
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jan 19, 2019 8:48:52 GMT
Er... catgirls confirmed? My guess is he's thinking about casting AJ Michalka for something. (Or at least passing on her name to the people who actually do the casting. That's how Eve Myles ended up playing Merrill - David Gaider was keen on her doing the job and she actually said yes when the appropriate people at BioWare asked her agent.)
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